http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2012/ ... ture-1290/
quoted from above story:
Spotted nearly undisguised while undergoing validation tests in Germany, InfoMotori brings us the best photo yet of the upcoming KTM Adventure 1290. So far, so expected. Trellis frame, a larger v-twin for more power, the saddle-style fuel tank appears to remain (as the more rearwards of the two body work pieces extending down from the “tank” area), 21-inch front wheel, etc. Much-needed upgrades comes in the form of a new headlight incorporating LEDs across its lower half and radial brake calipers. There’s also a 690 Duke-style aluminium swingarm with exposed webbing. Sexy. But how does this bike fit into KTM’s upcoming product plan?
Last August, we brought you this leaked slide from KTM North America’s dealer meeting, detailing that importer’s 2012-2014 product plan. As you can see, there’s two Adventure models here. This touring-oriented 1290 (we’re getting it in 2014, likely after the model debuts in Europe) and the more dirt-focused “Adventure R 1090.” We think the model seen above is the 1290 because a) that motor is fooking huge and b) every component is relatively basic, which isn’t the game KTM plays when it’s serious about off-road performance. This 1290 is intended to compete more with bikes like the R1200GS and Yamaha Super Tenere. A comfortable, practical distance bike that’s pretty capable off-road if you fit good tyres. It’s that Adventure R 1090 that we’re most excited about though, that bike promises to bring real dirt performance to a package that can just about do some touring too. In short, the balls out, insane performance bike that draws clear inspiration from the company’s smaller off-road race bikes.
The modular engine being used in both is reportedly being co-developed with Porsche and should come equipped with a sophisticated, performance-oriented traction control system and ride-by-wire.
And yes, ever-tightening European emissions regulations are meaning some seriously huge exhausts.
More pics at InfoMotor: http://www.infomotori.com/moto/2012/04/ ... istic/2/4/
Stratkat
2012-04-23 20:36:00 UTC
SDNerd
2012-04-23 20:57:00 UTC
I thought this speculation was interesting: "The modular engine being used in both is reportedly being co-developed with Porsche and should come equipped with a sophisticated, performance-oriented traction control system and ride-by-wire."
What happened to all those Rotax engineers KTM has been stealing away for so many years?
What happened to all those Rotax engineers KTM has been stealing away for so many years?
Stratkat
2012-04-23 21:32:00 UTC
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Schnauzer
2012-04-23 22:21:00 UTC
Interesting! Wonder how similar the motor will be to the SD 1290?
Colonel_Klinck
2012-04-23 22:31:00 UTC
That is quite interesting. First time we've heard anything like that about the new engine isn't it?
SDNerd
2012-04-23 22:38:00 UTC
Posted today on Asphalt & Rubber:
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/k ... py-photos/
they reference the upcoming SuperDuke 1290 as well.
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/k ... py-photos/
they reference the upcoming SuperDuke 1290 as well.
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2012-04-23 22:39:00 UTC
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2012-04-24 01:27:00 UTC
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2012-04-24 08:14:00 UTC
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TLS_Russ
2012-04-24 11:46:00 UTC
at least there appears to be luggage storage in the end can
DribbleDuke
2012-04-24 13:47:00 UTC
This should be the new Superduke surely
samba
2012-04-24 14:11:00 UTC
Maybe they are making two SD's also. One in the 1299 cc Daivel look alike and one in the R type 1090cc super hooligan. Touring and dirt and touring and flirt.
Stratkat
2012-04-24 15:23:00 UTC
I think people need to stop worrying that the new SD is going to be some sort of Diavel-esque monstrosity. As if KTM are stupid enough to change a bike's purpose so significantly
SDNerd
2012-04-24 19:26:00 UTC
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SDNerd
2012-04-25 00:14:00 UTC
I sure someone at KTM trolls this forum and actually reads this stuff.[/quote]
if that true then they know we dont want a Diavel!!![/quote]
Well as I hear it Ducati are selling all the Daviels they can produce, Motorcycle manufacturers are a in business to make money, I am sure KTM are no different, you can be quite sure a Daviel competitor makes more business sense than a bike that they have struggled to sell the anual production of for the last 5 years discontinue the Monster line. see what im saying? KTM can devise a new model similar to the Diavel based on the same engine platform but that doesnt mean they would morf the SD into one. where is the sense in that strategy?
if that true then they know we dont want a Diavel!!![/quote]
Well as I hear it Ducati are selling all the Daviels they can produce, Motorcycle manufacturers are a in business to make money, I am sure KTM are no different, you can be quite sure a Daviel competitor makes more business sense than a bike that they have struggled to sell the anual production of for the last 5 years discontinue the Monster line. see what im saying? KTM can devise a new model similar to the Diavel based on the same engine platform but that doesnt mean they would morf the SD into one. where is the sense in that strategy?
DribbleDuke
2012-04-25 02:29:00 UTC
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fatbob
2012-04-25 02:36:00 UTC
No.
Stratkat
2012-04-25 08:39:00 UTC
yes, but they came up with the Diavel as a new model, they didnt say lets turn the Monster into a Diavel and discontinue the Monster line. see what im saying? KTM can devise a new model similar to the Diavel based on the same engine platform but that doesnt mean they would morf the SD into one. where is the sense in that strategy?[/quote]
huh?
Isnt this bike whilst being a different style of bike heavily based on the streetfighter or the 1198 or the multistrada
that stragedy certainly does appear to be working for Ducati IMHO
huh?
Isnt this bike whilst being a different style of bike heavily based on the streetfighter or the 1198 or the multistrada
that stragedy certainly does appear to be working for Ducati IMHO
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2012-04-25 12:16:00 UTC
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Stratkat
2012-04-25 14:26:00 UTC
I don't. Get it..? Why are we even mentioning the Daivel?
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2012-04-25 15:09:00 UTC
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samba
2012-04-25 15:10:00 UTC
this is the photo...
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2012-04-25 17:02:00 UTC
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2012-04-25 17:49:00 UTC
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Stratkat
2012-04-25 19:01:00 UTC
im thinking anyone trolling this site would right away get that we arent cruisier guys doncha think?
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2012-04-25 19:26:00 UTC
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motoronin
2012-04-25 19:55:00 UTC
I don't think the new SD will become a Diavel bit if KTM made a Diavel it'd look pretty bloody mean. What the spy shots of both the SD and the new Adventure show that has me very worried is the positioning of the exhaust on both bikes. Both bikes expose the exhaust to large amounts of damage in a crash. On the current bikes the crashability factor is superb as the Cadwell massive will often agree, and should they keep this single exhaust on the new bikes I can see crash days, ahem...sorry, track days rather expensive as the chance of exhaust damage may be reduced by 50% but no amount of exhaust sliders are gonna keep those cans on either bike from becoming badly damaged in a slide reducing KTM's much loved crashability factor. I mean c'mon, how many times when someone's admiring your bike have you remarked, "well, they crash really well!", that will be no more. Shame on you KTM!
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2012-04-25 20:11:00 UTC
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cdlabate
2012-04-26 01:43:00 UTC
I'm not big on the concept husqvarna cruiser...
Its freaking heinous! Just saying.
Its freaking heinous! Just saying.
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2012-04-26 16:03:00 UTC
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fatbob
2012-04-27 12:01:00 UTC
Stratkat , Why not wind your fooking neck in , I am no doofus
I understood your point completely
I was just pointing out that your " the diavel is completely new model was inaccurate , and the that fact the engine is the base for their flagship models.
a bit like the " i had an hour on an s1000RR and its not as comfortable as an RC8 " statement you came out with
having done 12000 miles on a beemer I know your talking bollocks , which seems to be backed up by every fooking sprotsbike review you read.
I suggest you back your comments up with some experience next time nobby.
To get back on topic I dont think anyone believes the next SD will be similar to the Diavel!!!
I understood your point completely
I was just pointing out that your " the diavel is completely new model was inaccurate , and the that fact the engine is the base for their flagship models.
a bit like the " i had an hour on an s1000RR and its not as comfortable as an RC8 " statement you came out with
having done 12000 miles on a beemer I know your talking bollocks , which seems to be backed up by every fooking sprotsbike review you read.
I suggest you back your comments up with some experience next time nobby.
To get back on topic I dont think anyone believes the next SD will be similar to the Diavel!!!
Millar
2012-04-27 13:20:00 UTC
Pah, you're all cunts as far as I can see!
cdlabate
2012-04-27 15:23:00 UTC
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2012-04-27 15:50:00 UTC
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Stratkat
2012-04-28 02:47:00 UTC
[quote="fatbob"]Stratkat , Why not wind your fooking neck in , I am no doofus
I understood your point completely
I was just pointing out that your " the diavel is completely new model was inaccurate , and the that fact the engine is the base for their flagship models.
it is a distinct new model, do you not understand what a model is??? so what if its got a 1098 engine in it it is not a 1098, it is a different model.
i feel like i am talking to a 3rd grader...
a bit like the " i had an hour on an s1000RR and its not as comfortable as an RC8 " statement you came out with
having done 12000 miles on a beemer I know your talking bollocks , which seems to be backed up by every fooking sprotsbike review you read.
I suggest you back your comments up with some experience next time nobby.
what is your problem man? if you like your BMW good for you, enjoy it!! i do not need to ride a bike 12000 miles to determine its comfort level, hence the test ride,
told me all i needed to know! do you think if i found it uncomfortable for an hour, 12k is gonna make it more comfortable? what kind of rational is that? the RC8 was more comfortable, fact, better peg location not as stretched out. i do not even need to ride it to feel the difference.
incidentally most of the magazine reviews point out the RC8 is one of the most comfortable sports bikes out there.
I understood your point completely
I was just pointing out that your " the diavel is completely new model was inaccurate , and the that fact the engine is the base for their flagship models.
it is a distinct new model, do you not understand what a model is??? so what if its got a 1098 engine in it it is not a 1098, it is a different model.
i feel like i am talking to a 3rd grader...
a bit like the " i had an hour on an s1000RR and its not as comfortable as an RC8 " statement you came out with
having done 12000 miles on a beemer I know your talking bollocks , which seems to be backed up by every fooking sprotsbike review you read.
I suggest you back your comments up with some experience next time nobby.
what is your problem man? if you like your BMW good for you, enjoy it!! i do not need to ride a bike 12000 miles to determine its comfort level, hence the test ride,
told me all i needed to know! do you think if i found it uncomfortable for an hour, 12k is gonna make it more comfortable? what kind of rational is that? the RC8 was more comfortable, fact, better peg location not as stretched out. i do not even need to ride it to feel the difference.
incidentally most of the magazine reviews point out the RC8 is one of the most comfortable sports bikes out there.
TLS_Russ
2012-04-28 09:43:00 UTC
Anyone read anything about the redline or peak power rpm on this 1290 Adventure
motoronin
2012-04-29 00:25:00 UTC
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2012-04-29 00:42:00 UTC
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fatbob
2012-04-29 07:26:00 UTC
I think the k1300r is one the greatest bikes ever created. It would be awesome for KTM to have an 1300SD to rival the k1300r. Just for the simple bragging rights of having the fastest street fighter on the market. At the same time I don't think they should cancel the 990SD. If anything I can see the 1190 RC8 discontinued in the long run for a 990 RC8. That way they can develop CRT bikes for motogp.
Stratkat
2012-04-30 11:32:00 UTC
The RC8 is more comfortable is not a fact , its a subjective opinion from someone as thick as a whale omelette
heh heh 3rd grader , im probably old enough to be your dad
heh heh 3rd grader , im probably old enough to be your dad
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2012-04-30 13:11:00 UTC
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2012-05-01 18:42:00 UTC
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2012-05-01 19:58:00 UTC
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Colonel_Klinck
2012-05-01 21:02:00 UTC
That may all be true but the RC8R isn't a tractor. I'm going to keep an open mind on this.
motoronin
2012-05-01 21:33:00 UTC
The ZZR1400 is a super cruiser and bares no comparison to a streetfighter, plus it wasn't a pig, for its size you could really throw it about. KTM will shine through, of that I'm sure. Now play nice....
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2012-05-01 21:49:00 UTC
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Colonel_Klinck
2012-05-01 22:03:00 UTC
But the LC8 came from an adventure and no one is complaining about that. I'm not saying you are wrong but it just seems odd that there is assumption it's going to be shite. Personally I'm more of a glass half full kinda guy
Lowrance
2012-05-01 23:46:00 UTC
Fook it...I'm buying a Goldwing!
Embarrassing sportbikes on the SD is one thing....doing it on a GW is a whole nother thing!
Embarrassing sportbikes on the SD is one thing....doing it on a GW is a whole nother thing!
SDNerd
2012-05-02 00:36:00 UTC
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TLS_Russ
2012-05-02 03:33:00 UTC
its all about bore and stroke and piston speed, a 1290cc V twin can only be a low revving tractor...... no way its going to run to 11,000rpm....
If KTM do a super short stroke motor like the Panigale then bye,bye bottom end punch..... (And it will be fooking expensive)
1090/1098 is where its at with a V twin for the perfect compromise (if you get the bore to stroke ratio right!)
If KTM do a super short stroke motor like the Panigale then bye,bye bottom end punch..... (And it will be fooking expensive)
1090/1098 is where its at with a V twin for the perfect compromise (if you get the bore to stroke ratio right!)
motoronin
2012-05-02 21:04:00 UTC
C'mon girls. speculating like this is a twisted path to pointlessness, I'm a full glass chap, half h20 half o2, we won't know what will come until it comes and nothing so far that KTM has done has disappointed. Do we at least agree on that?!
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2012-05-02 21:08:00 UTC
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