Interesting reading?
ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ


The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer Sebastian Vilar Rodriguez and published in a Spanish newspaper on Jan. 15, 2008.
It doesn't take much imagination to extrapolate the message to the rest of Europe - and possibly to the rest of the world.


REMEMBER AS YOU READ -- IT WAS IN A SPANISH PAPER
Date: Tue. 15 January 2008 14:30

ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez

I walked down the street in Barcelona , and suddenly discovered a terrible truth - Europe died in Auschwitz .. We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, talent. We destroyed the chosen people, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.

The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world. These are the people we burned.

And under the pretence of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism and lack of tolerance, crime and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime.

Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.

We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe ..

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; that is ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace:
1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1990 - Elias James Corey
1994 - Yaser Arafat:
1999 - Ahmed Zewai

Economics:
(zero)

Physics:
(zero)

Medicine:
1960 - Peter Brian Medawar
1998 - Ferid Mourad

TOTAL: 7 SEVEN

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000; that is FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Literature:
1910 - Paul Heyse
1927 - Henri Bergson
1958 - Boris Pasternak
1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 - Nelly Sachs
1976 - Saul Bellow
1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 - Elias Canetti
1987 - Joseph Brodsky
1991 - Nadine Gordimer World

Peace:
1911 - Alfred Fried
1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 - Rene Cassin
1973 - Henry Kissinger
1978 - Menachem Begin
1986 - Elie Wiesel
1994 - Shimon Peres
1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

Physics:
1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 - Henri Moissan
1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 - Gabriel Lippmann
1910 - Otto Wallach
1915 - Richard Willstaetter
1918 - Fritz Haber
1921 - Albert Einstein
1922 - Niels Bohr
1925 - James Franck
1925 - Gustav Hertz
1943 - Gustav Stern
1943 - George Charles de Hevesy
1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 - Felix Bloch
1954 - Max Born
1958 - Igor Tamm
1959 - Emilio Segre
1960 - Donald A. Glaser
1961 - Robert Hofstadter
1961 - Melvin Calvin
1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 - Julian Schwinger
1969 - Murray Gell-Mann
1971 - Dennis Gabor
1972 - William Howard Stein
1973 - Brian David Josephson
1975 - Benjamin Mottleson
1976 - Burton Richter
1977 - Ilya Prigogine
1978 - Arno Allan Penzias
1978 - Peter L Kapitza
1979 - Stephen Weinberg
1979 - Sheldon Glashow
1979 - Herbert Charles Brown
1980 - Paul Berg
1980 - Walter Gilbert
1981 - Roald Hoffmann
1982 - Aaron Klug
1985 - Albert A. Hauptman
1985 - Jerome Karle
1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 - Robert Huber
1988 - Leon Lederman
1988 - Melvin Schwartz
1988 - Jack Steinberger
1989 - Sidney Altman
1990 - Jerome Friedman
1992 - Rudolph Marcus
1995 - Martin Perl
2000 - Alan J. Heeger

Economics:
1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 - Simon Kuznets
1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 - Leonid Kantorovich
1976 - Milton Friedman
1978 - Herbert A. Simon
1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 - Franco Modigliani
1987 - Robert M. Solow
1990 - Harry Markowitz
1990 - Merton Miller
1992 - Gary Becker
1993 - Robert Fogel

Medicine:
1908 - Elie Metchnikoff
1908 - Paul Erlich
1914 - Robert Barany
1922 - Otto Meyerhof
1930 - Karl Landsteiner
1931 - Otto Warburg
1936 - Otto Loewi
1944 - Joseph Erlanger
1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 - Ernst Boris Chain
1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 - Tadeus Reichstein
1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman
1953 - Hans Krebs
1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 - Joshua Lederberg
1959 - Arthur Kornberg
1964 - Konrad Bloch
1965 - Francois Jacob
1965 - Andre Lwoff
1967 - George Wald
1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 - Salvador Luria
1970 - Julius Axelrod
1970 - Sir Bernard Katz
1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 - Howard Martin Temin
1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 - Daniel Nathans
1980 - Baruj Benacerraf
1984 - Cesar Milstein
1985 - Michael Stuart Brown
1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]
1988 - Gertrude Elion
1989 - Harold Varmus
1991 - Erwin Neher
1991 - Bert Sakmann
1993 - Richard J. Roberts
1993 - Phillip Sharp
1994 - Alfred Gilman
1995 - Edward B. Lewis
1996- Lu RoseIacovino
TOTAL: 129!


The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims. The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, or blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew who has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew who protests by killing people.

The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.

Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.

Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them.

Regardless of your feelings about the crisis between Israel and the Palestinians and Arab neighbors, even if you believe there is more culpability on Israel 's part, the following two sentences really say it all:

'If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel ." Benjamin Netanyahu

General Eisenhower Warned Us It is a matter of history that when the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead.

He did this because he said in words to this effect:

'Get it all on record now - get the films - get the witnesses - because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened'

Recently, the UK debated whether to remove The Holocaust from its school curriculum because it 'offends' the Muslim population which claims it never occurred. It is not removed as yet. However, this is a frightening portent of the fear that is gripping the world and how easily each country is giving into it.

It is now more than 60 years after the Second World War in Europe ended. This e-mail is being sent as a memorial chain, in memory of the, 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians, and 1,900 Catholic priests who were 'murdered, raped, burned, starved, beaten, experimented on and humiliated' while the German people looked the other way.

Now, more than ever, with Iran , among others, claiming the Holocaust to be 'a myth,' it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets.

This e-mail is intended to reach 400 million people. Be a link in the memorial chain and help distribute this around the world.

How many years will it be before the attack on the World Trade Center 'NEVER HAPPENED' because it offends some Muslim in the United States ?

Do not just delete this message; it will take only a minute to pass this along

I heard something not long ago about how in the next 20yrs it wont be safe to travel in Europe anymore because the Muslims are taking over and as their populations grow they will get power in the governments and traveling there will be like traveling to the middle east. I hope this doesn't actually happen, I like traveling over there.
Here in the U.S. we aren't always as tolerant of people. There have been quite a few mosques lately that were denied because people are sick and tired of muslim bs. look what happened when they wanted to build one near ground zero in NY.

yeah in sydney we have had lots of problems with the muslim groups... then we were made to look bad with it being called a 'race riot' which was BS as the problems being caused well and truly deserved our response (normal aussies)

I am all for people giving a culture respect where that culture originated from but as soon as people start trying to force their beliefs on us in our country... they can p!ss off.

I like the care free nature over here... and i dont want that to change... i dont know how we come across to you guys but when the floods occured in QLD, we had twice as many volunteers than could be coped with. 6000 were expected and over 12000 showed up, shovels ready let alone all the others offering food and accomodation. It is not something that you see in many countries... and i like it.

In my experience its ignorance and poverty that breed intolerance and violence. I speak as one who feels that all monotheistic religions are equally absurd. In fact if we are looking at religious texts alone then the Jewish faith uses what I believe Christians refer to as the old testament as its guide and this is stuffed full of smoting, tribal genocide, gang rape and intolerance of idolaters in a way that would make Quentin Tarintino blush if not actually weep!

The urge to mark out groups and belong seems intrinsic to the human condition. From early tribalism through nationalism and various religious affiliations we seem to need and in-group / out-group situation to make sense of the world. Does anybody think all straight people are the same? The idea is absurd yet the use of “Gay Community” remains as widespread as ever as far as I can see. Nominally I am a Christian but does that give me anything automatically in common with say one of the Christian sect members of some evangelical church in the bible belt, not at all. To assume that you can group widely disparate people and peoples under a single religious banner and make homogeneous assumptions about them is utterly stupid.

To address our mythical Spaniard directly. It was the mass of disenfranchised, unemployed and hopeless German people after the first war who were attracted toward national socialism with its simple “Germans are great” all our problems are somebody else’s fault messages. With promises of simple solutions, organisation and a bright future an educated and previously cultured people bought into this en mass. Any of that sound familiar? I wonder if we can think of any current examples of disenfranchised, unemployed, often poorly educated and hopeless populations and population groups being offered excuses and simple solutions to rally behind.

Here in the UK we had a terrorist problem for many years which draped itself in the Irish flag and the banner of Catholicism. Did this mean Catholics were fanatical killers and the Irish state was at some kind of proxy war with us? Of course not, they were just convenient covers and rallying points (desperados always appeal to nationalism, religion or group loyalty) to be used by people pursuing power.

I have spent some time in Israel even sky diving over the Negev at night where you could see the lights from several Arab countries as well as two continents on the way down. I found Israeli jews to be as varied (from close minded bigots to full on party animals) as any other nation you could name with very little by way of homogenous characteristics (bit of understandable paranoia perhaps) on display. I have not spent much time in Arab nations but my guess is that underneath the national political level and the grinding need to provide for a family in difficult circumstances the same truth would apply.

We have lots of immigrant populations here in the UK and a tiny but noisy Muslim extremist element that is often on TV being offensive. There are many areas in cities where a ghetto mentality rules and their dominant groups come in all shades of colour from lily white to black. Ethnic on ethnic violence is by far the biggest element of racially inspired problems over here at least.

My point is a simple one. Implying that all muslims are bad is as childish and pointless as stating that all Christians (or whoever) are good. Bad people are bad and they come in all shapes and colours. Speaking for myself I’m as happy attacking fundamentalists and violent manipulative idiots of any shade as I am defending reasonable free thinking people regardless of their point of origin. If people would only think instead of accepting easy clichés and spoon fed partial news we would all have a lot less problems.

I seem to have become incapable of short posts, perhaps I should get out more (or do some work instead of grazing SD.net) Probably just need a cute female naval to gaze at instead of my own!!

the problem that i find is that it is the free thinking people that seem to give up their rights so readily for political correctness that the other party (whether it is christian, muslim... they are all the same and actually believe in the same God believe it or not) before you know it things start going backwards and it is too little too late.

This is my concern. No not all muslims are bad... neither are all christians but all those crazy fundementalists who are passionate for their cause are problematic... it would be nice to say i wish everyone could look at this issue objectively and with proper education the problem will go away... but in the end you are dealing with brick walls

To be honest about the 20hp more..
I think that it comes down to how you break in your bike
.. From the day I own them (new) I thrash them but my maintenance schedule is also a bit pedantic to make up for it. Bedding in the pistons is very important for not burning much oil as well as improved performance. This I believe prob gave me a 5hp advantage at the start. But yes I do like to think of ways to coax usable hp out of vehicles.

I believe there is a bit more in it before the engine needs to be opened up for more hp gains. I am also happy to help people develop their ideas too... That's engineering for you.

And if ktm is watching... Give me a job with ur development team... New technology excites me more than developments of old stuff as the gains can be far greater:)

Have to say guys this is bordering on offensive and really has no place on a motorcycle forum. This is however the internet, I'm all for free speech and not one for censorship but I could find loads of emails "sent from a friend" that cover and insult just about every ethnic minority/religion/sexual orientation you care to mention. This does not make them right. Most are based on ignorance or have a not so hidden agenda to them.

I'll leave it open for now but I'll be keeping an eye on it and have to warn you that if it gets out of hand it will be locked and possibly other action taken. Please consider this when you post and don't force us moderators to moderate. On the whole this forum is well balanced and a place free of prejudice other than against IL4s. Please lets keep it that way.

The mods are conferring to decide whether or not to close this thread.

We all hate censorship, but we also hate unwinnable arguements and unsupprted ideaology causing offense or big argueements on a bike forum which is here to celebrate what we all share - i.e. bikes - and not what divides us.

There are thousands of other forums for religious opinion.

This is a heavy subject for only my second cup of coffee this morning, but here goes. Before you allow youself to be swayed by either side of this debate, consider a third angle, manipulation.

In 1871 a man named Albert Pike, a high degree Mason, wrote a letter to a colleague outlining their (Masons) plan for world conquest. It was to comprise of three World Wars. The first was to stir up trouble between the English and Germanic empires, to oust the Czars from Russia and create Communism. The second was again to bring a clash between England and Germany with the ultimate aim of creating a homeland for the Jews.

The third is to bring a clash between the Jews and Muslims, with the aim of both groups destroying each other, and ulitmately all established religions. At this point the people (those left alive) will rise up and demand and end to all wars and religious diversity. Those pulling the strings will gladly step in and present their ready to go World Government and World Religion (Satanism).

As incredulous as this may sound to a lot of people, the runs are on the board as far as the previous wars. The daily news tells us that planning for the third is well advanced, with the two sides (Muslim and Jew) both being expertly manipulated towards their starting positions.

Only a few years ago if you mentioned World Government, you were laughed at and called a conspiracy nut. Now, World leaders and the media talk of little else.
A previous British PM (I think) said that nothing in politics happens by chance, EVERYTHING is planned.

So, what I'm saying is we are being manipulated into taking a position on this so we are divided into opposing sides (divided we fall). Always try to look behind what is presented to us as 'reality' because what they present to us is BS, a smokescreen to hide the real agenda.

[quote="Colonel_Klinck"] On the whole this forum is well balanced and a place free of prejudice other than against IL4s. Please lets keep it that way.[/quote]

Thats cos they think they are so lah de dah (ie up theyre own Arses)!! lol

this subject is not loath with hostility. this is a free exchange of ideas. no one has pointed a finger of degradation of human concept.as far as I can see. this is a thought provoking subject and as such, needs to stay in the forefront of humanity. Sweep this under a rug if you must but the extrapolation of ideas is not limited to twins from Austria or pot stirrers from Spain.
Shadow man needs to win a free oil change for his expert commentary. Opie, take care of this for me.
There you have it, best post gets next oil change on the house. one post per month wins.
I do not see this as fundementaly Muslim-Christian-judaic as much as I see it as haves and have nots.
It would be nice to see groups agree on historical fact. When denial of the facts presents itself, meaningful discussions are damned to failure.
Post on

Hi Fellow Superdukers,

We've decided to end this thread. Three reasons, each of which would be enough on their own:

1. The original post is spam; a reposted chain letter. We are being used to propogate it.

2. The original post is totally unrelated to KTMs, Superdukes, Bike Culture, Lifestyle, Attitude, Banter, Jokes, etc,

3. Some people have found it offensive, and we would prefer the forum to remind us of what unites us, i.e. Bikes & Superdukes, than what divides us.

In summary, this bike forum is not the appropriate forum for this kind of debate, and the web has plenty of other places, just one click away, that are ideal. Please feel free to go elsewhere and continue. e.g. http://www.ukdebate.co.uk/forums/

Finally, this is not up for debate. It's a group decision.

Thanks.

The Mods.