ktmguy
2014-03-15 09:25:00 UTC
Bit surprised when I get there - no f'ing SuperDukes - WTF
Turns out the dealer was allocated 10 bikes for the year, they've already had 6 delivered which were already sold and expecting another 4 at some point this year (no date) and guess what they are already sold as well. Oh and no demo bike...
So KTM build a really good bike, have a really good 2 year marketing campaign / build-up - but guess what - you can't buy one.
I'm not buying a £14k bike without a testride, so I now have to wait until 2015 and even then I'll probably be down a list.
Oh well, got an invite to BMW's S1000 Naked launch today, so I'll go and have a look at that; with BMW you no a) they will have a demo bike and b) you'll be able to buy one !
Superdan
2014-03-15 09:33:00 UTC
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bic_bicknell
2014-03-15 09:34:00 UTC
Colonel_Klinck
2014-03-15 10:09:00 UTC
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blb
2014-03-15 11:21:00 UTC
It's an absolute farce. I'm sure they must know this. It's embarrassing to be in a position to sell bikes but not have any for sale. By the time they get their supply sorted most of the new wave of people interested in the next big thig will have moved their fickle eyes onto other exotica that offer even more trickery and bling. I suspect that history will show that the BMW and maybe even some of the other super-nakeds emerging will out sell the 1290 which has also turned out to be overpriced in this market.
Sorry all you 1290 owners but you paid too much for a bike that is built down to a certain cost. Suspension, switch gear, damper, certain aspects of the electronics. They are all budget and need to be upgraded before it justifies it's premium price.
Ducati Pete
2014-03-15 11:46:00 UTC
Yeah they hyped the bike to death but they knew they were facing stiff competition with all the other nakeds coming out. With a software update I'm sure it could be exactly what they promised. No preload on the forks is a bit lame but it's not like they are the only manufacture to go this way either.
And as for the demos, how much is it the case of no bikes available or the dealer not wanting to buy one to use. KTM Centre seemed to have no problems getting one.
bic_bicknell
2014-03-15 12:13:00 UTC
Even the might of Honda gets it wrong, there is ONE guy who is in charge of what we get in the UK. He fooks it up so much its unreal. An example being last year Honda gave the press CB1100's as long termers, they got great press and we had 2 for stock all year.
This year we get the lovely (if expensive) SP Fireblade and we get Two Mid summer they run out of best selling 500 series. The list goes on and on.. New VFR800, CB650 and CBR650 delayed til June..
Kawasaki is having a test ride weekend in a couple weeks and we can't get a ZX10R or the new J300. Yamaha has just released the MT07 which is ace and they can't even supply ANY accessories for it.
KTM need to pull their finger out, their market share is terrible. They have possible the best naked bike around and they have grossly overpriced it and can't supply. Terrible but just as bad as all the other manufacturers.
ktmguy
2014-03-15 23:32:00 UTC
Stratkat
2014-03-15 23:40:00 UTC
They were asked how many 1290s they wanted and they drastically misjudged demand.
jmann
2014-03-16 06:51:00 UTC
KTM marketing team could have taken a look, or even come out of the closet, joined the site and actually asked how many 990 owners would consider buying a 1290. This is how Norton pre sold all their Domiracers, they just held a drinks night and invited all the people who had bought a Commando from them and sold all 50 in one go. How nice would that have been to be contacted by KTM UK and offered a chance to own or test ride a new 1290 and be rewarded for all the years of loyalty we have showed to the SD. I'm not being unrealistically romantic about this, they could have done it and then ordered sufficient bikes from head office. To hear that they 'underestimated' demand is a travesty and the person in charge should be fired IMO.
I think Orpheus's comment above about being overlooked by KTM is true and the new 1290 was just targeted at a new generation of customers without a moments thought to us lot.
However, reading other threads it sounds like the US is now having similar problems with availability and supply so maybe it's a global cock- up.
SDNerd
2014-03-16 09:53:00 UTC
And it's not just one dealer, i rode over to a different BMW dealership in the afternoon, same setup except they had 3 naked bikes (in each of the colours) and a barbecue instead of sandwiches!
However, in the quest for motorcycling nirvana, in amongst all the new bike hype etc I'm beginning to think I'm setting on it already...
jmann
2014-03-16 15:06:00 UTC
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bic_bicknell
2014-03-17 08:38:00 UTC
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Stupid Luke
2014-03-19 12:52:00 UTC
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bic_bicknell
2014-03-19 16:53:00 UTC
It is interesting that nobody from KTM or from any dealers seem to subscribe to this forum. If they do they don't seem to identify themselves which is a shame as they would have a certain degree of cred. I guess they'd also cop a fair bit of flak. I guess if anyone does put their hand up we we should have a written rule that we are not allowed to shoot the messenger.
SDNerd
2014-03-19 17:05:00 UTC
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Stupid Luke
2014-03-19 17:22:00 UTC
Indeed, I didn't think we'd get Stefan Pierer as a member but, if lucky, maybe somebody further down the pecking order. In practice, it might be somebody from R&D or perhaps marketing that could feed back what the feeling is here without having to take the flak for what others have decided.
Your view on this would certainly scare me off. Why would I bother to contribute if all I got was attacks regarding stuff that I couldn't control. Why would I devote my life to dodging bullets?
SDNerd
2014-03-19 17:47:00 UTC
Whether the responsibility belongs to the sales or marketing teams there is always someone monitoring what's going on out there in consumer land. They have sophisticated search engines just looking for any mention of key words and phrases that might appear on the web.
I also wonder, and have often thought it strange, that they have not been more open and forthright about their presence and interest in the site. As everyone knows it was set up and run by enthusiasts of the SD marque and there has never been, to my knowledge, any acknowledgement, (or appreciation), from KTM about the enthusiasm and knowledge that is generated and freely shared here by so many people across a large part of the globe. Whether they care to admit it or not I think that SDNet and the UK - KTM Forum have surely played a part in the rise of the Superduke from obscure/niche bike into its present semi-cult status. This forum is almost always mentioned in any magazine article on the SD models and I for one may not have got so much out of the bike, nor stayed as an owner for so long without the support and comradeship I found here.
KTM must know about its existence. If not they really are naive.
What I've got from this forum was not a KTM brand value, it was a reflection of all the people I found here. I think KTM are a lucky manufacture to have us lot. )
Stupid Luke
2014-03-19 18:38:00 UTC
Ducati Pete
2014-03-19 18:42:00 UTC
SDNerd
2014-03-19 21:18:00 UTC
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Crotchrockety
2014-03-19 23:24:00 UTC
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jmann
2014-03-19 23:28:00 UTC