Duke4Dirk
2012-07-04 16:13:00 UTC
You may not be perfect but you're all we've got. You've been a ray of hope for so many...
MADDOG53
2012-07-04 16:19:00 UTC
Nice eagle,,,,,,,
PBRnr
2012-07-04 16:53:00 UTC
time for fireworks
DribbleDuke
2012-07-04 17:12:00 UTC
Long may it wave.
motoronin
2012-07-06 19:26:00 UTC
I think I just vomited in my mouth...
Colonel_Klinck
2012-07-06 20:03:00 UTC
Have to say I don't think anyone who isn't American gets this at all.
MADDOG53
2012-07-06 20:17:00 UTC
Post missing.
DribbleDuke
2012-07-06 20:18:00 UTC
The Gods of the Copybook Headings
Rudyard Kipling
AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.
We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.
We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.
With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.
When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."
On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."
In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."
Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.
As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;
And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!
Rudyard Kipling
AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.
We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.
We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.
With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.
When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."
On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."
In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."
Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.
As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;
And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!
DribbleDuke
2012-07-06 20:19:00 UTC
The Gods of the Copybook Headings
Rudyard Kipling
AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.
We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.
We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.
With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.
When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."
On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."
In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."
Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.
As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;
And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!
Rudyard Kipling
AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.
We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.
We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.
With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.
When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."
On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."
In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."
Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.
As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool's bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;
And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!
motoronin
2012-07-06 23:37:00 UTC
Yaaaaawn.....Kipling was English and would certainly not approved of modern USA, or its politics..
DribbleDuke
2012-07-06 23:48:00 UTC
wag on
motoronin
2012-07-07 00:16:00 UTC
Post missing.
motoronin
2012-07-08 01:13:00 UTC
Wow! Didn't know patriotism was so offensive. Also didn't know this was a uk only board.
Happy 4th Dirk and whoever else celebrates our nation's birthday.
Happy 4th Dirk and whoever else celebrates our nation's birthday.
tigerstyletroy
2012-07-08 01:32:00 UTC
Nothing wrong with patriotism but you can't expect us to take your 'freedom' bullshit on face value. You do realise that it's the Independence from the British?! Plus, American 'freedom' is modern day slavery if you have oil, a democracy, or any other 'ocracy, oligarchy, Dictatorship or Walmart,etc., etc., et fookin' cetera... Your flag represents fook all to the rest of the world, including the indigenous population you always forget in your celebrations, remember that..and on the whole, I really like Americans.
DribbleDuke
2012-07-08 01:59:00 UTC
LOL! Motoronin y u postin in amurican thread?
motoronin
2012-07-08 02:13:00 UTC
Anyone for a cup of tea?
DribbleDuke
2012-07-08 06:25:00 UTC
Post missing.
Colonel_Klinck
2012-07-08 11:37:00 UTC
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TLS_Russ
2012-07-08 15:18:00 UTC
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steeeve66
2012-07-08 16:18:00 UTC
No need to be offended guys Guess copyrights have been clamped down on.
cdlabate
2012-07-08 16:29:00 UTC
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DribbleDuke
2012-07-08 16:34:00 UTC
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MADDOG53
2012-07-08 16:37:00 UTC
14th generation
Colonel_Klinck
2012-07-08 17:16:00 UTC
Post missing.
wizzzard
2012-07-08 17:56:00 UTC
Patriotism is ok as long it stays healthy.
I am going to ask something while i risk being banned or worse being ignored. I am really serious about it so please if you respond show me the same courtesy.
The U.s.a is a reasonable young country, when i stayed there for over a year ( i played baseball, but was not good enough, UCLA). I got the feeling that a lot of people felt thereselfs better then the Italiens, Spanish,Greeks, Irish etc. How come, because if what i learned at school was right all of the forefathers came from the "old" countries. From where came that patriotism ?
I also ended up in mexico and people there were talking a lot about "the old country " meaning Spain where there ancesters came from, and they were as proud of their origin as of what they accomplished in their new homeland.
I am going to ask something while i risk being banned or worse being ignored. I am really serious about it so please if you respond show me the same courtesy.
The U.s.a is a reasonable young country, when i stayed there for over a year ( i played baseball, but was not good enough, UCLA). I got the feeling that a lot of people felt thereselfs better then the Italiens, Spanish,Greeks, Irish etc. How come, because if what i learned at school was right all of the forefathers came from the "old" countries. From where came that patriotism ?
I also ended up in mexico and people there were talking a lot about "the old country " meaning Spain where there ancesters came from, and they were as proud of their origin as of what they accomplished in their new homeland.
DribbleDuke
2012-07-08 18:00:00 UTC
Post missing.
steeeve66
2012-07-08 18:08:00 UTC
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DribbleDuke
2012-07-08 18:14:00 UTC
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Colonel_Klinck
2012-07-08 18:22:00 UTC
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TLS_Russ
2012-07-08 18:35:00 UTC
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TLS_Russ
2012-07-08 18:51:00 UTC
Now my opinion,
I think its best to keep blind patriotism off a motorcycle forum, there is no country I know of that is worth being patriotic to,
Not fooking one, I am British yes, but you will never catch me flag waving or beating a fooking drum, I am too smart and have too much self respect to ever lower myself to that level, I am a member of the human race and we all live on this little planet together, no one is superior or inferior to anyone else in my eyes, if I am going to fight for or stand up for something it will be freedom and the defence of this little planet and every living thing on it
I think its best to keep blind patriotism off a motorcycle forum, there is no country I know of that is worth being patriotic to,
Not fooking one, I am British yes, but you will never catch me flag waving or beating a fooking drum, I am too smart and have too much self respect to ever lower myself to that level, I am a member of the human race and we all live on this little planet together, no one is superior or inferior to anyone else in my eyes, if I am going to fight for or stand up for something it will be freedom and the defence of this little planet and every living thing on it
motoronin
2012-07-08 18:55:00 UTC
Post missing.
DribbleDuke
2012-07-08 19:07:00 UTC
Well you do not need any help from the outside if you can post a situation only stated by yourself and counter that statement with more useful information.
Thirtytwo hundred to fortyfive thousand and narry a thought from the outside.
Sounds like you can carry on quite well without US.
Course that's what you have been rambling about for quite some tyme.
Happy Birthday All.
Thirtytwo hundred to fortyfive thousand and narry a thought from the outside.
Sounds like you can carry on quite well without US.
Course that's what you have been rambling about for quite some tyme.
Happy Birthday All.
motoronin
2012-07-08 19:10:00 UTC
Post missing.
TLS_Russ
2012-07-08 19:16:00 UTC
All flag wavers are fooking Dickheads and thats a fact
DribbleDuke
2012-07-08 19:32:00 UTC
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Colonel_Klinck
2012-07-08 20:23:00 UTC
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motoronin
2012-07-08 20:36:00 UTC
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motoronin
2012-07-08 20:43:00 UTC
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jambox
2012-07-08 21:54:00 UTC
Allow me to stir the pot, with some military humour.......
Sorry, couldn't resist
Sorry, couldn't resist
cdlabate
2012-07-08 22:02:00 UTC
Bunch of hippies.
motoronin
2012-07-08 22:12:00 UTC
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TLS_Russ
2012-07-09 05:44:00 UTC
As for not being remotely patriotic. You wait till planetary resources start withering beyond current, just about, sustainable values and slip into planetary consumptive, terminal, melt-down and then tell me about playing nicely..[/quote]
Exactly and who is it that has been and continues blindly to be the driving force towards this now inevitable terminal meltdown
Exactly and who is it that has been and continues blindly to be the driving force towards this now inevitable terminal meltdown
Duke4Dirk
2012-07-09 06:00:00 UTC
No, admins did not edit my post.
Yes, I did edit my post.
No, I don't want to continue going down this path of BS. I have my share in real life being a pediatric hem/onc rn. I come here for fun and comraderie. This thread is far from it. I'm done. On to better things.
Yes, I did edit my post.
No, I don't want to continue going down this path of BS. I have my share in real life being a pediatric hem/onc rn. I come here for fun and comraderie. This thread is far from it. I'm done. On to better things.
SDNerd
2012-07-11 04:26:00 UTC
I see you all had a fun birthday too. I for one am glad to have been born a yank. My great grandparents came here penny-less...
I celebrated 4th of July in true Yankee fashion... first I installed these on Ms.SD
Then I winged it to Fabulous Las Vegas.. lost money, over-tipped big chested waitresses, and partied on...
Rented this and burned through some major fossil fuels... and tyres
Badass
Efffin' hot
Vote wanker for Judge
Show me a place I can live better than than this and I'll move there, contribute to society and be happy!
I celebrated 4th of July in true Yankee fashion... first I installed these on Ms.SD
Then I winged it to Fabulous Las Vegas.. lost money, over-tipped big chested waitresses, and partied on...
Rented this and burned through some major fossil fuels... and tyres
Badass
Efffin' hot
Vote wanker for Judge
Show me a place I can live better than than this and I'll move there, contribute to society and be happy!
Duke4Dirk
2012-07-11 16:26:00 UTC
Patriotism v. Nationalism: How many here know the difference?
One of our so-called "Founding Fathers" (and also a self-considered British subject for the first 30+ years of his life), warned "Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." On this, I couldn't have agreed more with George Washington. I find but a few things more disgusting. Patriotism is a full time endeavor, not just ridiculous flag waving on the occasional national holiday when everyone else is doing the same, or when a national tragedy occurs.
And from a more contemporary American patriot “A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.” (the late Edward Abbey). That stated, I'd somewhat expected the 2nd Amendment folks to chime in on this one ... lol, as if that's the only thing that distinguishes us from our British (and other european) cousins.
Thanks for the "artwork" PBRnr!
One of our so-called "Founding Fathers" (and also a self-considered British subject for the first 30+ years of his life), warned "Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." On this, I couldn't have agreed more with George Washington. I find but a few things more disgusting. Patriotism is a full time endeavor, not just ridiculous flag waving on the occasional national holiday when everyone else is doing the same, or when a national tragedy occurs.
And from a more contemporary American patriot “A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.” (the late Edward Abbey). That stated, I'd somewhat expected the 2nd Amendment folks to chime in on this one ... lol, as if that's the only thing that distinguishes us from our British (and other european) cousins.
Thanks for the "artwork" PBRnr!