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BAR RISERS

cessnatpa

cessnatpa

2014-12-20 18:59:00 UTC



Installed bar risers that move the bars back 22MM & up 30MM . I know majority of you guys would have no desire for this but for me it's made the bike even more perfect. I grew up on dirt bikes and like a more upright position.
http://shop.sw-motech.com/cgi-bin/cosmo ... =162683316

ktmguy

ktmguy

2014-12-21 10:07:00 UTC

I give up!

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cessnatpa

cessnatpa

2014-12-25 01:49:00 UTC

You're right, most of us wouldn't do this but if it makes the bike more suited to your riding style then good for you. I grew up riding old dirt bikes that only had springs for suspension and no oil as it had all leaked out and we didnt have any money to fix them. Ah the good ol days when things were simple and you could ride old dirt bikes wherever you liked without anyone whinging

ktmguy

ktmguy

2014-12-25 04:55:00 UTC

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boney95

boney95

2014-12-25 22:34:00 UTC

All jokes aside.

Bar risers are bad idea on any sporty type bike including dirt bikes so you should know this. (most common beginners mistake on dirt bikes including me)
It messes with the riding dynamics, the geometry and weight distribution, especially if you also move the bars further back.

KTM in general, both dirt and road, benefit from a bit of weight over the front during turning, just the way they are build.
On the other hand why anyone wants to sit up more on an SDR 1290 is beyond me, the wind pressure and neck strain is bad enough at legal speed to want to tuck in a bit more.
I'm reasonably tall and can't see any benefit from raising the bars on this bike, it is very comfortable for longer rides.
If you have issues with your back I would suggest (in the nicest possible way without being condescending) to look at your body position.
The arms are not supposed to take the weight of your body, use the knees to grip the frame and support your torso with your legs (strongest muscles in the body).
At normal speeds there is enough wind pressure on the front of your body to have no strain at all on back and arms.

Please get rid of these awful things or buy a beemer RT or so!

ktmguy

ktmguy

2014-12-26 06:57:00 UTC

"Bar risers are bad idea on any sporty type bike including dirt bikes so you should know this. (most common beginners mistake on dirt bikes including me)"

I wouldn't say so for dirt bikes. I'm 6'1" and bought bar risers for my dirt bike, stock bar height is just too low when I stand.

Miki

Miki

2014-12-26 08:45:00 UTC

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boney95

boney95

2014-12-26 11:07:00 UTC

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cessnatpa

cessnatpa

2014-12-26 11:53:00 UTC

Well shit! Looks like my risers are going to be sent back. After doing some more research, you guys are right. Prior to today, I never read anything negative on using risers on dirt bikes, but your points a valid and make sense. I'll just have to work out the awkwardness I feel when standing. I already have my bar set to the most forward position in the clamp, with the bars pointing more up compared to being inline with the forks, that helped a bit. But I still feel like the bars are sitting in my lap when standing, along with my wrists having to be cranked back/down while on the controls.

Miki

Miki

2014-12-26 14:38:00 UTC

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ktmguy

ktmguy

2014-12-26 15:27:00 UTC

Quite often comfortable and fast wont fit same bike. 1290 is pretty close that Multistrada for touring and 1290 for fun.
One more evidence for dirt riding.

"90% of time this riding position" "you can see your front number upside down" No use for risers.

cessnatpa

cessnatpa

2014-12-26 23:54:00 UTC

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tripoddave

tripoddave

2015-02-14 20:46:00 UTC

In preperation for my trackday next week I took the bar risers off and likely won't reinstall them, you should be proud of me ktmguy!
The reason I installed them in the first place was after getting the powerparts seat I felt I was towering over the bike and needed to raise the bars.
I know it's less than an inch rise but to me it felt alot more, personally I'm not impressed with the seat, it's not that much more comforable and like I said it changed the riding postion in a negitive way for me.
If anyone is interested I have a barley used front & rear powerparts seat for sale, oh and some bar risers lol.

Aphex

Aphex

2015-02-14 21:22:00 UTC

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ktmguy

ktmguy

2015-06-05 09:42:00 UTC

Gents,

Having just purchased a very tidy 07 Superduke R I want to put some bar risers on it, struggling a bit to find ones to be honest, if you can point me in the right direction, or if anyone has any for sale PM me . . .

lc4

lc4

2015-06-05 09:54:00 UTC

Never put bar risers on a bike, messes up the dynamics!

ktmguy

ktmguy

2015-06-05 10:33:00 UTC

Behave will yer Sheila x

bazz21

bazz21

2015-06-05 12:24:00 UTC

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ktmguy

ktmguy

2015-06-05 19:29:00 UTC

After lots of contemplation , I installed the original KTM risers (18mm) and reversed the handlebar mount which brings the bar slightly back towards the rider.

I am coming from a Duke II and found the original riding position a bit too superbike like for my style.

The bike is so much more comfortable when riding on the road now. Plus, it wheelies even more naturally which is a huge plus for me. I really like to wheelie, what can I say. No drawbacks to be mentioned at least for road riding.

I will try it on the track as well in the following weeks. Obviously this change is in the wrong direction for such stuff as lap times, but then again I would have gotten a superbike with clip-ons if that was all I cared about. On the contrary, I believe the super Duke is supposed to be a supermoto/superbike hybrid, a hooligan bike.

I am 1.90m tall, which is probably too much for such bikes anyway but if you too happen to be tall just do it. It is a great mod in my opinion.

cessnatpa

cessnatpa

2015-06-05 23:10:00 UTC

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ktmguy

ktmguy

2015-06-06 08:05:00 UTC

Well, the thing is that rider dynamics assume a typical rider in terms of weight, height and body position. If you significantly diverge from average then it could be possible that you have to modify in order to restore the dynamics. Maybe.

bazz21

bazz21

2015-06-06 09:11:00 UTC

I'm only pulling your leg Bruce. It's got a steering damper so its all gravy. I might just change the bars to some RC High bends . . .

Millar

Millar

2015-06-06 10:08:00 UTC

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Millar

Millar

2015-06-06 11:15:00 UTC

Hmmmm this is interesting. I am yet to be convinced either way. Can someone explain to me what is the difference between a "higher bar" or a "lower bar on bar risers" and its effect on rider dynamics as guy has mentioned. My bar risers are only 15 mm and I questioned for awhile if I should fit them or not. In the end I have been forced to fit small risers because my body is so stuffed and it has reduced the pain I'm in when riding.
So my question is - with bar risers of say 15mm how much does that amount effect the "rider dynamics". I assume rider dynamics is a consequence of mass distribution and geometry!
I am not being a smart ass and would genuinely like to know the answer. Is there a solid link someone can point me to?