OFFICIAL: New Super Duke R 1290

Bert

2012-11-13 13:16:00 UTC

So here she is (in concept form) finally, sorry no time to post the pics up!:

http://www.ktm.com/news-events/eicma-20 ... uke-r.html

Bert

2012-11-13 13:27:00 UTC

http://imgur.com/a/AIGpp

High res photos: https://www.ktm.com/uploads/media/1290_Super_Duke_R.zip

Text from the :

PROTOTYPE KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R – EICMA 2012

Before glimpsing the fascinating future of the Super Duke, a short flashback: in 2005, the first pure street twin with the name Super Duke rolls out of the KTM halls and changes the world of motorcycles. Extremely agile and muscular, the bike lives up to its name – an unmistakable machine, with an aggressive sound, a bike to fit no pre-conceived notions and keeping out of no competitor’s way. Over the years, the Super Duke gets even hotter. Its power increases – as does its fan community.

The success of this uniquely dynamic motorbike confirms the veracity of KTM’s commitment to the Naked Bike, opening the door for further models. The merciless street fighter becomes the leader of a veritable pack of exhilarating bikes – all of them light, pure, top quality, and all without fairings. In 2011, KTM hits the bull’s eye of the small displacement segment with the 125 Duke. Almost 10,000 motorcyclists hop up, by no means just beginners. Just a year later, KTM stages another energetic escalation with the upgraded entry-level version 200 Duke, and puts the latest LC4 generation of the 690 Duke onto the grid – with well-known ingredients for maximum riding fun; with plenty of Single thrust at minimal weight; but also with more practicality, thanks to Drive-by-Wire and ABS. Another year later, there comes the athletic 690 Duke R, while at the same time, the brand new 390 Duke makes ready – a reasonable fun bike that will bring incredible enjoyment to riders all over the world.

Everything possible
So far, so good: 125, 200, 390, 690 and 990 cubic centimetres. But things don’t need to end there, even if nobody can make a case for more displacement purely based on rational considerations. Rather, it’s about enjoying power in abundance, about crazy acceleration, about tyres screaming for mercy, about pushing the limits of physics. Out of passion for the world of extremes. The world of KTM. The world of the new Super Duke.

Super Duke Onepointthree
At the EICMA 2012, KTM showcases the prototype of the future 1290 Super Duke R – a machine whose entrance needs no explanation and which shouts the very essence of the KTM philosophy unfiltered into the world’s face through two open megaphones. The creators of this concept are not about complying with regulations and legal provisions. They are about showing what happens when the best technicians, designers and riders are unleashed in Mattighofen.

The developers started with another hefty rebore of the RC8 R engine in order to give it maximum punch. Around this two-cylinder elemental force, they fitted a tight suit tailored from light steel pipes, completing the chassis with a single-sided swing arm and the finest suspension components from the WP Suspension prototype development, as well as racing wheels, racing brakes and racing tyres. To this they added the finest carbon parts, countless working hours, and spilled sweat by the bucket. More sweat, more commitment, then finally, cheers. Job done. Rollout in Milan.

Wide open throttle
The best news comes last: KTM is already working on the production version of the 1290 Super Duke R, with that same enthusiasm. A good reason to look forward to 2013 – to the first press testride on the new Super Duke R.

The specifications
- Engine: liquid cooled V-twin based on RC8 R with Drive-by-Wire
- Displacement: more than ever
- Power and torque: very, very much
- Electronic assistants: ABS and traction control – stoppie and wheelie protection disengageable (of course)
- Top speed: depends on the rider’s courage and figure
- Frame: Trellis frame made of chrome molybdenum steel
- Swing arm: single sided aluminium swing arm
- Suspension components: WP prototypes – upside-down forks with gas pressure reservoir, directly linked rear shock
- Wheels and tyres: aluminium wheels with slicks
- Brakes: front and rear Brembo racing callipers
- Weight: incredibly low

motoronin

2012-11-13 13:40:00 UTC

More pictures:

Source: http://blog.derestricted.com/design/ktm ... prototype/

Bert

2012-11-13 13:41:00 UTC

Fap Fap Fap!

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-13 13:46:00 UTC

VIDEO!

johnpav

2012-11-13 13:47:00 UTC

180bhp??? and listen to her start up!

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2012/ ... 0hp-naked/

fuel

2012-11-13 13:58:00 UTC

OMG, I'm in love, have to have (another) wank!

Millar

2012-11-13 14:01:00 UTC

Better start saving

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-13 14:10:00 UTC

On the other thread I was thanking KTM, but perhaps I should also thank Bajaj??? Nevertheless, I think KTM is very ambitious and true to their fans.

Superdan

2012-11-13 14:15:00 UTC

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jambox

2012-11-13 14:18:00 UTC

Sell the dog! Get the Mrs down Kings Cross turning some tricks. We can then eBay Ronin's garage contents to make up shortfall

Superdan

2012-11-13 14:33:00 UTC

Any one else got it as their screensaver yet

Stratkat

2012-11-13 14:38:00 UTC

I'm liking the dual exhaust. Plus free cameras! They'd better come on the production one

motoronin

2012-11-13 14:41:00 UTC

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MADDOG53

2012-11-13 14:42:00 UTC

do they have a remote starter on it?

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-13 14:45:00 UTC

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JohnJJr

2012-11-13 15:00:00 UTC

Hope they put a fuel tank on it that hold's "ethanol"

tigerstyletroy

2012-11-13 16:07:00 UTC

I guess doing 2 separate exhaust systems could save money on all the pipework that was required on the 990 to make them the same length? As long as it saves money I'm all for it.

PBRnr

2012-11-13 16:33:00 UTC

Fook'n HELL YEAH !!!! 180 hp Double Hell yeah ! Looks like KTM is doin it right ! Man i need me some Jingle now $$$

sweet bike

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-13 16:45:00 UTC

Ahhh fook gotta start saving now

Viking

2012-11-13 16:57:00 UTC

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Stupid Luke

2012-11-13 16:59:00 UTC

added a pole for fun

Stratkat

2012-11-13 17:41:00 UTC

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2012-11-13 17:59:00 UTC

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jmann

2012-11-13 18:02:00 UTC

Apart from the swingarm and a few styling bits, the 690 is exactly the same chassis as the stunt.

I never understood why everyone slated the 690 duke's looks whilst spunking over the Stunt concept. It would easy to get a 690 to look virtually identical for not much outlay.

weeksy

2012-11-13 18:04:00 UTC

I'm enthusiastic however I note:

"The creators of this concept are not about complying with regulations and legal provisions". Hopefully the road legal bike won't end up a dreary
non-event. I keep looking back at the MCN photo's and notice how one could take the exciting and convert it to mundane.

Will it have to have some dreary exhaust system to get it through compliance then a slip on system to make it interesting?

I like the fact that on the prototype one can see the engine. I notice it doesn't appear to have an air-box. It also doesn't have an adjustable
linkage on the rear suspension.

Davo-Singapore

2012-11-13 18:08:00 UTC

I absolutely LOVE it.... God DAMN it's hot !!!!

Davo-Singapore

2012-11-13 18:12:00 UTC

Anyone seen pics of the swingarm amd left side of the bike? Did I miss em?

MADDOG53

2012-11-13 18:18:00 UTC

The orange colour looks great. Different shade, like Blood Orange maybe. Stunner.

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2012-11-13 18:36:00 UTC

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jjlester_74

2012-11-13 18:58:00 UTC

Loved the bike, but the front end may end up like the 125, 390 and 690....and that's not agressive enough!!

Keep working on it!

41KS

2012-11-13 19:16:00 UTC

I love it
I need it
I buy it

Reb

2012-11-13 19:47:00 UTC

YES

Spy84

2012-11-13 19:57:00 UTC

Ahh man that is SWEET. Love that underslung exhaust. I wonder if they'll keep the under seat pipe for the road version or put it down the bottom like the RC8R.

Hope they dont spoil the looks by using some stupid headlight and mirror design that makes it look like a retarded moose.

All in all a brilliant effort. Pure sex on wheels.

smackman

2012-11-13 20:02:00 UTC

I want this really bad but I don't have the heart to sell my current sd. Save up and keep both!

Millar

2012-11-13 20:16:00 UTC

Like it alot ! Just put on that 2010 Duke 690 R Frontlight and its a go

Lowrance

2012-11-13 20:17:00 UTC

I will be handing the SD down to the missus. Not worth selling as they'll be worth dog shit all. Plus it means the SD stays in the stable!

MADDOG53

2012-11-13 20:24:00 UTC

Tuono V4 for sale? Could be. Do we have a launch date?

WIsh they would show us the swingarm--likely not finalized.

SDNerd

2012-11-13 20:43:00 UTC

Looks just like the prototype photos (we saw months ago) save for some flashy paint, different exhaust/forks and no headlight.

Like I mentioned in that previous thread, the motor and brakes look like they could be brilliant. Single swinger, a no linkage rear suspension, very low seat height/high tank still a possible issue for me. Again I'll reserve judgment until I ride one but still can't help but wish KTM would have used the RC8R as the baseline for the new SD in lieu of the Adventure.

Just sayin.

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2012-11-13 20:57:00 UTC

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Millar

2012-11-13 21:09:00 UTC

Is that the same frame as the 1190 Adventure? I was hoping more for a naked RC8R, but I guess to be a true urban assault vehicle an adventure/super moto style frame would be better in terms of ground clearance.

Superdan

2012-11-13 21:11:00 UTC

I don't speak Deutsche, but here is a new video with more details.

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2012-11-13 21:24:00 UTC

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2012-11-13 21:47:00 UTC

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stalker

2012-11-13 21:52:00 UTC

seriously been looking at rc8r,s on ebay. thinking about a winter project

thing is . . . .could i track a brand new bike ???..... .. . . . . . . .

Superdan

2012-11-13 21:57:00 UTC

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2012-11-13 22:10:00 UTC

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-13 22:35:00 UTC

I could track it. Crash bung it up and get out there! It's only a machine and they can be repaired. Imagine the IL4s you could destroy with that

motoronin

2012-11-14 00:09:00 UTC

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OldSlowSteve

2012-11-14 00:20:00 UTC

Sign me up.

Keenaz

2012-11-14 00:44:00 UTC

That is fookin Gangsta! I love it! That has just smoked the Ducati Streetfighter!!!

Drool over single sided swing arm

websch

2012-11-14 01:21:00 UTC

After changing my oil today which is always a PITA....I noticed that the new does not have an oil tank....would that means an easier way to change the oil??

Lowrance

2012-11-14 01:35:00 UTC

It has an oil tank. Appears to be an integral part of the engine casting located in front of the crankshaft.

JohnJJr

2012-11-14 01:36:00 UTC

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JohnJJr

2012-11-14 02:00:00 UTC

did i miss something ? Can't recall seeing any gauges or dashboard but that's ok by me

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2012-11-14 02:14:00 UTC

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2012-11-14 02:33:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2012-11-14 04:09:00 UTC

I'm definitely likin it a lot...!!!
But it is a prototype...
For it to pass any smog laws...it appears to be
missing EVERYTHING...
The exhaust I'm not sure about...
I like it underneath like the RC8's...
I'd hope they go one way or the other...
Not both...
For me I can't tell if it actually has just one
throttle body on it...
The mask looks shiat to me...
Cameras are definitely a plus...
Just have to wait and see....
I'm sure they will address the tank issues...
I'd say that's a given knowing ethanol is here to stay
180hp...yah baby...
My "pole"..is waitn...

SuperHoon

2012-11-14 05:27:00 UTC

I was just getting really to purchase some nice shiny forged ally wheels and to fabricate a custom tail piece (shorter) pretty much like the new bike. Now, I just want one of those. I think they've nailed it.

omky756

2012-11-14 05:56:00 UTC

Ill be financing one for sure.

Maybe my SDR will work before then lol!

johnpav

2012-11-14 06:02:00 UTC

i love it EXCEPT for the front mask.

everything else can stay how it is!!

i was thinking to myself the other day that i couldnt replace my SD with anything else if i was to smash it up or get it stolen, now i have found that something else.

pity now all the 990's will be worth stuff all in the 2nd hand market.

or that could be a plus for picking up a shed full of them for track use or starting a motorcycle gang.

omky756

2012-11-14 06:32:00 UTC

How much of this is new and never before on another motorcycle? When the Duke I and the Super Duke came out it seems to me there was never anything really like them. On this example Super Duke what is new tech? ABS and traction control is not new, a single sided swingarm is not new. The engine is from what? Oh yeah the RC8. Exhaust has been done like that, wheels yep done before, suspension seen it.................WHAT'S NEW TECH and not NEW ART.......?

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2012-11-14 07:26:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-14 07:57:00 UTC

What exactly were you hoping to see? I would love to know. Loads of modern tech is just more complicated shit to break! We are already going to have to hope someone comes up with something like TuneECU for this otherwise we are stuck with massive Stealer bills. It has ABS and traction control. Some people didn't even want that!

Superdan

2012-11-14 07:58:00 UTC

Anyone have intel on whether or not this monster will be sold in the States?? I'm sure getting one out to Hawaii is going to be slim to none : / ..but if its carried in the mainland I can ship it out here which is how I got my SDR.

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-14 08:40:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-14 08:43:00 UTC

Forgot to say that I don't think we're not going to see the new Super Duke without ABS because of the new regs in the EU and the States....but I hope it can be turned off when the rider doesn't want it?

motoronin

2012-11-14 08:55:00 UTC

The Ultimate Hooligan Machine.

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2012-11-14 09:29:00 UTC

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2012-11-14 09:43:00 UTC

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2012-11-14 09:47:00 UTC

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fazer_1000

2012-11-14 10:02:00 UTC

Holy shit indeed!!!!

Daryl just saw that and said 'Dan, you know I was going to get a cafe racer.....?'

'Yeah'

'fook that.....I'm having one of those, I start saving now!'

JohnJJr

2012-11-14 10:08:00 UTC

Video's been removed by user.....WTF? I just booted up my desktop with massive speakers so I could bathe in that glorious noise...bring it back!!!! Now!!!!

SuperHoon

2012-11-14 10:09:00 UTC

We got a look at the single sided swing arm in that vid and I think it looks nice. Not too bulky. Fook me does that sound insane!!!!! I'm off for another wank

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2012-11-14 10:13:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2012-11-14 10:20:00 UTC

Here's another *crap* vid from MCN, showing some of the nice blings on the machine.

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-14 10:32:00 UTC

you guys keep beating me to it !!! 2:30 am here in California and just saw this video online on Facebook (-: Killer

OldSlowSteve

2012-11-14 10:42:00 UTC

i am SO glad that the SD didnt go soft..

180hp would be fantastic on the streets!! i only get 1200km from a rear tyre with what HP we have now!!

Davo-Singapore

2012-11-14 10:45:00 UTC

Swingarm pic (best I could get so far)

Stratkat

2012-11-14 10:51:00 UTC

Whats the chance of seeing this amazing brute at NEC in 2 weeks

jambox

2012-11-14 11:28:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2012-11-14 11:49:00 UTC

If KTM would like to send one over here to Australia. I'll take it out into the Australian Summer. The desert, the hills, the traffic and give it a solid hard time. I'm just offering... I have the RC8 and the Superduke R. I love KTM...

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2012-11-14 13:50:00 UTC

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MADDOG53

2012-11-14 13:52:00 UTC

i was watching the video. love the last bit where he wheelies thru the chain link fence.
id try that and with my luck id clip a handlebar on the fence!!

shadowman

2012-11-14 15:45:00 UTC

Looks great doesn’t it.

I like the wheels but not the way they are painted. Overall look is good and you can get a feel for what the front end on the road bike will look like by imagining a KTM style mask and headlight slotted into the cage behind that camera mount. I think it might look even better with the lights and road gear fitted if it’s done with a bit of flair.

A black one would look good next to my 06 SD (also black) which I’m planning on keeping as I have room in the garage.

I had been thinking of getting an old 911 next year but I already have a reasonable car so perhaps this might have a bigger grin factor......... I’m probably too tight as I hate losing out on depreciation, perhaps better to wait a couple of years and buy a low mileage heavily modded one from someone with deeper pockets than me.

Overall much better than expected!

Superdan

2012-11-14 16:36:00 UTC

This thread has brought more people out the wood work than any other thread I have ever seen on here

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-14 16:55:00 UTC

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KTM666

2012-11-14 17:10:00 UTC

Still think it looks like nothing more than a naked RC8 with higher bars )

MADDOG53

2012-11-14 17:37:00 UTC

I really like it, would prefer more black and a touch less orange. The engine sounds great. I wonder what sort of price it will be coming in at.

motoronin

2012-11-14 17:40:00 UTC

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Sabre

2012-11-14 17:44:00 UTC

A naked RC8 with high bars is really what I want!

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2012-11-14 17:49:00 UTC

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2012-11-14 17:51:00 UTC

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2012-11-14 18:06:00 UTC

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2012-11-14 18:07:00 UTC

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blb

2012-11-14 18:31:00 UTC

Its vorsprung durch BADASS

KTM666

2012-11-14 19:15:00 UTC

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Reb

2012-11-14 19:33:00 UTC

I'm feeling uber optimistic

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2012-11-14 19:37:00 UTC

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2012-11-14 19:51:00 UTC

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Sabre

2012-11-14 19:53:00 UTC

After my crash and the subsequent ongoing track bike rebuild I was giving up road riding for good.

But then KTM fooked with my plans and designed this bad boy. Thats it then the wedding is off, the baby is cancelled. RC8 for the track and this for the road!!

I'll settle for a close up at the bike show then next Sunday

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-14 20:00:00 UTC

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2012-11-14 21:17:00 UTC

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Reb

2012-11-14 21:19:00 UTC

No doubt the new bike will have its share of gremlins, as do all new models. There was no mention of different engine maps. No sissy sooky 'rain' maps. We get all the horses all the time.

Where does KTM get their TC from. Do they make their own? (Moto3 bike?) If they do their own for the Moto3 bikes, then they are clearly well sorted enough to win a world championship.

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-14 21:32:00 UTC

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motoronin

2012-11-14 22:20:00 UTC

Guys, it is the prototype, I'm sure the boys and girls at KTM will provide us with an utter hooligan, this is, after all, what they do better than anyone...

CEREC1

2012-11-14 22:32:00 UTC

Just a thought. Is it really so different, colour aside, from a Ducati Streetfighter. Panigale, version of which must be in the pipeline

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2012-11-14 22:59:00 UTC

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2012-11-14 23:16:00 UTC

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2012-11-15 00:08:00 UTC

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omky756

2012-11-15 00:20:00 UTC

Ok, stand corrected the video was on page 4.

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2012-11-15 00:41:00 UTC

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2012-11-15 01:07:00 UTC

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2012-11-15 01:18:00 UTC

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2012-11-15 01:23:00 UTC

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jmann

2012-11-15 01:51:00 UTC

Why don't we see SSS on MotoGP machines?

Linga

2012-11-15 01:54:00 UTC

Here's my take on the new prototype,
As longs as the seat is not like a brick, has to be comfortable and be dual seat or able to be changed to single seat.
Get the valving right on this bike please, the SDR is a fook up with valving.
A fuel gauge would be of great benefit.
Able to turn the ABS and the other goodies off.
If I cant connect TUNE ECU to it I wont be buying one.
Be priced accordingly to the competition ie rsv4 tuono

Apart from that Im happy with the new concept

AGRO!

2012-11-15 02:21:00 UTC

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2012-11-15 02:24:00 UTC

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2012-11-15 08:48:00 UTC

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MADDOG53

2012-11-15 10:23:00 UTC

Decided last night to keep the "original" SD and wait till I can find a good "used" 1290 in a few, when the bug's are all worked out and everyone that buy's them find's all the niggling problem's that alway's arise on the "new" latest and greatest model,,so I'll let someone else take the price hit by buying new and I'll steal one in the dead of winter from someone that need's the buck's

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2012-11-15 10:35:00 UTC

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stalker

2012-11-15 11:44:00 UTC

yep good thinking klunky . . . . . . . . right up to the bit when . . . . someone passes you on park straight with the front wheel up using 180 horses

KTM666

2012-11-15 12:51:00 UTC

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2012-11-15 13:49:00 UTC

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motoronin

2012-11-15 13:54:00 UTC

Not sure that anyone mentioned it, but in the interview with the KTM rep, he said that the bike was a work on progress and nothing has yet been finalized, body work, suspension, etc. He especially mentioned the exhaust, as currently shown would NOT make it onto a production bike. Too loud and not clean enough (smog wise)

However, he expects that in 12 months time the production models will be rolling off the assembly line.

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2012-11-15 14:47:00 UTC

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2012-11-15 15:45:00 UTC

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2012-11-15 16:17:00 UTC

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2012-11-15 18:43:00 UTC

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2012-11-15 19:25:00 UTC

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Linga

2012-11-15 20:24:00 UTC

That's fooking ages away ........

41KS

2012-11-15 21:03:00 UTC

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2012-11-15 21:44:00 UTC

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motoronin

2012-11-15 21:53:00 UTC

Well... selling an organ would be too much afterall

RED ZX

2012-11-15 22:30:00 UTC

Let us gaze again at the beast

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2012-11-15 22:34:00 UTC

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990EXODUS

2012-11-15 22:37:00 UTC

My only concerns so far are that the seat looks too low, one of the big selling points for my SDR was how well I fit (197cm tall).

Also hope the front mask/gauge setup does not ruin the look too much.

And really hope that when you turn the traction/wheelie control off, that it actually does turn off, not just 80% off.

Viking

2012-11-15 23:02:00 UTC

Love:
Single exhaust per cylinder.
ABS you can turn on/off.
1290.
Everything else.

Not a fan of:
Single Side Swingarm… Why add weight and flex??

My two cents:
I reckon the headlight assay need to be a scaled up version of what's on this prototype + the shape of the 05-06 light (a small throwback)
Not sure how you'll make the exhaust meet noise standards, but love 1 under belly + 1 under tail. Side exhaust would be gay.

No?? Excuse my shitty photoshop effort...

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-15 23:30:00 UTC

The frame looks much stronger than the RC8R. Very similar to the 1190 Adventure frame, but tilted forward and different tail section. I wouldn't mind losing the SSS to cut down on cost and add durability. Most likely the stock exhaust setup will be a single pipe like in the spy shots from before or similar to 1190 Adventure because catalytic converters are super expensive, but they better have the same after market dual exhaust setup option with no cat.

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-15 23:55:00 UTC

Single sided arms are for over-priced Italian exotics, and Brit wanna-be's!!! Put a regular arm on there & I might sell my Nuts for it!!!
Also, I'd have kept the under seat ex. Looks much more symertical with the underseat pipes.

P.S. Sorry for the overpost, Herr Colonel!! Heil Hitl...OOOps!!!LOL!

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2012-11-16 00:38:00 UTC

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2012-11-16 01:31:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2012-11-16 02:20:00 UTC

So if the new SDR is going to put out 180hp, whats the new RC8 going to produce??????????????

SDNerd

2012-11-16 02:47:00 UTC

I think you'll find the "prototype SDR" is making 180 at the crank in a completely unrestricted state of tune. That'd make it about 160-165 at the wheel. After they fit all of the noise and exhaust emmisions crap we're probably looking at 160ish at the crank....145-150 at the wheel. With some fettleing we'll probably end up somewhere around the 160ish mark at the rear (which is no sloutch by the way).

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2012-11-16 03:27:00 UTC

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lockers

2012-11-16 04:35:00 UTC

Well I f**kin love it, hope they don't change anything

Exhaust is badass......and the swingarm looks awesome !!!!!

I'm just hoping for that bonus at the end of the year now

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2012-11-16 05:30:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2012-11-16 07:43:00 UTC

KTM historically don't talk shit though…

When companies quote weight for instance, KTM might say 186kg + fuel. And not give bullshit figures like dry weight 169kg which means that the bike has no fork or engine oil.

Crotchrockety

2012-11-16 07:54:00 UTC

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Crotchrockety

2012-11-16 09:44:00 UTC

this is a showbike not more not less, it draws attention of people and thats why it was presented like this.
It has no airbox basically no exhaust and the RC8R engine with a little bit more volume, i do believe the engine comes close to 180HP,
but the street legal version will not come close to that number. I'm with SDNerd we will see around 160HP on the street legal bike
and thats plenty for this kind of bike.

Stratkat

2012-11-16 13:45:00 UTC

I'm in if it comes here...this thing looks sick.

Steve
00 sv 6fity
05 ST3

SDNerd

2012-11-16 15:27:00 UTC

... yeah but then theres bragging rights. im thinking KTM knows the stats on the Touno and is probably using that as a datum point no?
no rational bike company wants to design a second tier machine and KTM is not rational that way. thats what im thinking anyway

Superdan

2012-11-16 16:32:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2012-11-16 16:45:00 UTC

I'm reserving judgment until the model is finalized. I'm somewhat surprised / concerned by KTM's decision to release a prototype racing bike that wouldn't qualify to race in any existing class. Otherwise, I kinda dig the styling - excepting the low slung, down syndrome / stroke victim mask and nut crushing seat (obviously not meant for the street). But, I'm waiting to hear the final figures on height, weight, power and brakes before I get too excited. I don't care if it has TC, ABS or God forbid wheelie control. However, I do hope KTM keeps the weight down and retains the manueverability of the original.

MADDOG53

2012-11-16 16:52:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2012-11-16 17:17:00 UTC

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Superdan

2012-11-16 19:14:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2012-11-16 19:30:00 UTC

BMW already has the K1300R. It produces 173hp. KTM is simply reclaiming the Ultimate Hooligan Machine title.

Superdan

2012-11-16 22:10:00 UTC

I think there will be a few us lined up waiting to buy the used ones...,

MADDOG53

2012-11-16 22:37:00 UTC

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stalker

2012-11-16 22:53:00 UTC

if they brought it out tomorrow , i would buy it

Stratkat

2012-11-17 00:38:00 UTC

In order, these were my thoughts upon discovering and immediately reading all of this monster thread:

1) Shiny!
2) Bollocks, I was supposed to buy a house next year.
3) If I had a fiver for every good looking concept bike that didn't make it to production intact I'd have...at least 20 quid, probably more, so I'm not going to get that excited yet.

[watches promo video]

4) I'm definitely buying one at some stage
5) I wish I could back it in like KTM's stunt rider person
6) Don't understand the naysayers - the essence of the SD is an agile, naked V-twin that looks and rides like nothing else out there. Why wouldn't you want them to be bold with the look of the thing?
7) If the cameras make it onto the production model, will definitely require a camera memory wipe switch on the bars. How cool would it be if KTM thought of that and put it on there?
180BHP? Can't wait to watch somebody trying to hold on down the straight at Snetteron or Silverstone. Stomp Grips required methinks...
9) I can't sell the old one, and I still need to get a GSX-R750, a Fireblade, a 600RR, a 950SMR, a Panigale, an S1000RR, an 848 and a Buell of some description...I may need a double garage.

MADDOG53

2012-11-17 01:26:00 UTC

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PBRnr

2012-11-17 01:31:00 UTC

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KTM666

2012-11-17 07:21:00 UTC

Shows its been up 2 days, has had 128k views and I haven't seen it in this thread yet??? probably been posted a ton already and i'm probably just the last to know
edit: just occurred to me that maybe people can't post over the fap'ing, tho i'm doubtful this thread will surpass the neked pix

PBRnr

2012-11-17 07:26:00 UTC

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omky756

2012-11-17 07:31:00 UTC

I KNEW IT HAD TO BE SOMEWHERE BURIED IN HERE! Thanks for redeeming my belief that at any given time, folks are not letting SD news go unposted here....ah well, hate to say it, but the last 5 pages needed more dub step

jk

Superdan

2012-11-17 07:52:00 UTC

but the last 5 pages needed more dub step

Maybe..I'm a little older..
N what not...
But what's a
"Dub step"..??????

PBRnr

2012-11-17 09:25:00 UTC

Education for old boys, Dubstep:

Well the beatbox version anyway (hopes he knows what beatbox is) Dubstep is drum and bass style music, with big bass drops.

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-17 09:54:00 UTC

Thanks for sharing the insight Superdan

PBRnr

2012-11-17 15:08:00 UTC

sorry, couldn't resist. back on topic, personally i think the video made me more excited for the bike than the pics, release, or supposed specs. I, like so many buyers, are just suckers for riding skills that are far beyond my own abilities

paul81

2012-11-17 18:47:00 UTC

Wow, way off topic, but I can't help meself.

Steve
05 st3
00 sv6fity

stalker

2012-11-17 18:49:00 UTC

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Sabre

2012-11-18 02:26:00 UTC

If KTM are only going to do a new bike every 8 years they need to go big wth the HP, KTM are resting on their laurels 180HP will be nothing in 2020.

Viking

2012-11-18 04:40:00 UTC

I'm not so sure about that. 110 hp is still something in this day and age of 200 hp at-the-crank machines. IMHO better motorcycles are all about usable power, especially for naked bikes where you won't ever set a speed record. folks have long been saying that more horsepower doesn't make a better bike, just like megapixels don't make necessarily better cameras.

just speculating, but I'm thinking lighter bikes, better suspension/brakes/fueling/tyre compounds will make a better bike in 2020 than purely hp #'s, though it sells the bikes quite well.

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-18 09:41:00 UTC

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Stupid Luke

2012-11-18 10:20:00 UTC

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KTM666

2012-11-18 18:22:00 UTC

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stalker

2012-11-18 20:25:00 UTC

handling for the twisty bits and enough horses to hold a sports bike down the straight. . . . . . .lights my fire

stalker

2012-11-18 21:07:00 UTC

So I've been watching that ridiculous KTM "The Beast Escapes" promotional video and I have to admit it's working! I'm drinking the orange Kool Aid and I must have this bike as soon as it comes to the States. It is simply the baddest ass thing I've ever seen. At first I didn't like the SSS but now I think even it suits the bike perfectly as it looks so minimal yet strong like everything else about the new SD. Just give me a semi-comfortable seat like my '08 standard SD has and I'll be at the KTM dealer writing a check the day this thing becomes available! I'm sold.

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-19 04:08:00 UTC

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stalker

2012-11-19 18:31:00 UTC

nope. . . .

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-19 19:21:00 UTC

Means you get a chance to do them again at the next corner

stalker

2012-11-19 19:43:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-19 19:59:00 UTC

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KTM666

2012-11-19 20:03:00 UTC

aaaaaah . fair enough then , i feel such a fool for mentioning it .

stalker

2012-11-19 20:22:00 UTC

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-19 20:35:00 UTC

.....I did one lap at the crash fest where I did more grass than tarmac

going for the wide line into Gooseneck ...er a bit to wide straight across the slightly wet grass.....back on the track .... just in time for
Mansfield .......Still wondering how I missed the Gooesneck ....B*ll"ck's ....missed the Chicane

...Wets...I was tempted to fit Knobblies

stalker

2012-11-19 20:58:00 UTC

Knobblies. . . .its tempting to fit a set for a play on a bit of dirt .

KTM666

2012-11-19 21:04:00 UTC

I actually enjoyed day 1 in the wet.

Knobblies on a SD Sounds amazing but would sooooo end in tears.

stalker

2012-11-19 21:12:00 UTC

day one wet was fun , the evening more so with the fresh meat that turned up.

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-19 21:13:00 UTC

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weeksy

2012-11-19 21:21:00 UTC

fatbob

2012-11-19 21:59:00 UTC

shadowman

2012-11-20 07:44:00 UTC

I won't be buying one for a fair old time, it will be years rather than months.... Too much money for my budget. I'd bloody love one though and as soon as Premier in Didcot have one to Demo, i WILL be on it

MADDOG53

2012-11-20 11:37:00 UTC

I think by the time it's actually released we will all have enough fooking money for one
What a fooking joke it is really to spend years to come up with the bike
Considering a large % of it already exists its piss poor from ktm

fatbob

2012-11-20 13:11:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-20 14:32:00 UTC

KTM,,,small company really compared to the other's,,last thing I read was that employies were on a "revolving volentary lay-off",,,I would rather them take the time to do thing's right the first time out than to "rush" thing's along,,,mistakes could cost them big time and they know it, and in this economy it would hurt them all the more,,,,,the release of the SD-SDR's in the states in 07-08 had to be the worst timming ever as they didn't sell ,,people weren't working,,,unemployment can't buy a $13000 motorcycle so they sat for a few until thing's got better,,,can you blame KTM for being cautious this time around

stalker

2012-11-20 15:32:00 UTC

Nah I am a grumpy twat today ............... Kidney stones
Besides I've been on a sports bike for 2 years and was hoping for this bike a year ago
Fair comment about the resource rhough

Millar

2012-11-20 16:05:00 UTC

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cloonster

2012-11-20 20:34:00 UTC

gents, anyone know if its definitely going to be at the NEC this weekend?

JohnJJr

2012-11-20 20:54:00 UTC

Just got back from the motorcycle show in California Bay Area USA -- KTM didn't even have a booth - i guess that makes sense ....... or does it

Superdan

2012-11-20 21:11:00 UTC

Pretty sure the bike will be at NEC saw a link saying it would be.

Edit

Found it, not 100% but I would say it will be http://www.motorcyclelive.co.uk/exhibitor/ktm/

SDNerd

2012-11-20 21:17:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2012-11-21 00:12:00 UTC

KTM havent had a booth at the Intermot show here for about 5 yrs running.

cdlabate

2012-11-21 05:33:00 UTC

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omky756

2012-11-21 06:42:00 UTC

So far..
The only thing that's been
unexpected in this thread
has been
"Dubstep"
Lol

SPEIRMOOR

2012-11-21 14:22:00 UTC

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Superdan

2012-11-21 14:40:00 UTC

13k in sterling, but bikes are always loads cheaper in the USA even if they are made in UK like a triumph?!

Just had a google to see the prices of rivals from MCN and Ebay:

Ducati streetfighter 11.5k
Better spec S 14.5k

Triumph Speed triple 9k
R 11k

Aprilia Tuono 9k
APRC 10k

Superduke 8k (current)
Superduke r 9k (current)

Depends if the new superduke has traction control etc but its going to be 9.5-11k IMO and the R version 11-13 depending on spec, then after 6-8 months the prices will drop when they realise they made too many and no one bought them

fatbob

2012-11-21 17:15:00 UTC

Looks like we will see it in the flesh next week

According to mcn it's due later next year and almost production ready

Stratkat

2012-11-21 19:28:00 UTC

it looks pretty finished. im sure they have been working on it for a while

fatbob

2012-11-21 20:18:00 UTC

Yeah 2 years it says
The chief designer states it has more torque at idle than the 990 at peak!!!
Cam that be right ?
He says the SSS will allow them to her the exhaust nearer to the bike

cloonster

2012-11-21 20:19:00 UTC

nice one fatbob. so its official, if the weather is decent on sunday i am there like a bear.

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-21 20:36:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2012-11-21 20:41:00 UTC

Well the BLB and myself will be there
Just want to see this new SD in the flesh.

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-21 20:51:00 UTC

1190 Adventure pricing in uk is looking very pricy so don't think the SD SDR are going to be much cheaper if at all.

http://www.adventurebikerider.com/forum ... unced.html

....KTM 1190 ADVENTURE: PRICES ANNOUNCED
Prices confirmed on new KTM 1190 Adventures and
Motorcycle Live the first opportunity to see them in the UK
After being officially unveiled to the world at the start of October,
KTM UK can now confirm the new KTM 1190 Adventure and
Adventure R will cost £12,595 and £13,195 respectively.
The bikes will be shown in the UK for the first time at Motorcycle
Live (NEC, Birmingham), November 24 to December 2, and will
be available in dealers from March 2013.....

stalker

2012-11-21 20:55:00 UTC

pfft ... ... .

fatbob

2012-11-21 21:13:00 UTC

Mcn states feb 2013 adventure £11190 & R 11837

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-21 21:21:00 UTC

Visordown is carrying same price

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-new ... 21534.html

...... The KTM 1190 Adventure is priced at £12,495 and the 1190 Adventure R at £13,095.

fatbob

2012-11-21 21:23:00 UTC

Wouldn't be the first time mcn got it wrong

stalker

2012-11-21 21:26:00 UTC

no , really .. .. .

fatbob

2012-11-21 21:28:00 UTC

Maybe it's an option thing , there's a suspension option I think

Ducati Pete

2012-11-21 21:30:00 UTC

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Superdan

2012-11-21 21:34:00 UTC

They can feck off if they think I'm paying over 10k even used would only pay 8k for a bike max, I could buy 3 decent bikes for 13 k!

Ducati Pete

2012-11-21 22:18:00 UTC

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Stupid Luke

2012-11-21 22:33:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-21 22:49:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2012-11-21 22:52:00 UTC

To make it look like that add at least 1K for a zorst!

fatbob

2012-11-21 22:53:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2012-11-21 22:54:00 UTC

and then struggle to get it out on any UK track.

Superdan

2012-11-21 23:08:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2012-11-21 23:15:00 UTC

I actually liked it Dan!

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-21 23:46:00 UTC

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KTM666

2012-11-22 07:45:00 UTC

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TLS_Russ

2012-11-22 09:38:00 UTC

Fly by wire..... traction control...... zzz,zzzz,zzz........ hope they found a better supplier for the wiring loom

Superdan

2012-11-22 09:46:00 UTC

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Jody

2012-11-22 15:14:00 UTC

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weeksy

2012-11-24 16:52:00 UTC

Poor performance from KTM, not having it at the NEC

Superdan

2012-11-24 17:09:00 UTC

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weeksy

2012-11-24 17:12:00 UTC

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Superdan

2012-11-24 17:19:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-24 17:56:00 UTC

Wasnt it on the cover of MCN s coverage of the show this week?

weeksy

2012-11-24 18:01:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-24 18:20:00 UTC

TOYS! PRAM! OUT!

weeksy

2012-11-24 18:23:00 UTC

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Anata

2012-11-24 20:20:00 UTC

Spoke to my dealer today and they now have two names on the list for the bike. He phoned KTM UK when the first guy ordered one and apparently it will be the first in the country. There is apparently a 3rd name going on that list on Monday or Tuesday. Typical Jersey really, a few of these will be for sale by early 2014 with less than 500 miles on the clock, I've seen it all before.

CEREC1

2012-11-24 20:39:00 UTC

You mean we are not going to see it tomorrow. Pile of crap if true

Ducati Pete

2012-11-24 20:50:00 UTC

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Superdan

2012-11-24 21:08:00 UTC

Yeah there is a guy with 3 RC8'S one of which has a 2k Evo 6 akra exhaust only produced for race series....tax havens eh....

Ducati Pete

2012-11-24 21:28:00 UTC

By the way, at least 6 UK dealers will de delivering "the first in the country"!

Anata

2012-11-25 12:23:00 UTC

He's from Guernsey and I believe he has every model of RC8. The Akra edition one has his name in gold leaf on the front. A few years ago at Le Mans he did a couple of sessions in the morning then was on the vin rouge for the rest of the day.

Ducati Pete

2012-11-25 12:43:00 UTC

Sorry, didn't mean to slander your Island!

Sabre

2012-11-25 17:19:00 UTC

Went to the NEC today with my lad,nothing really outstanding on display as already stated the new SDR protortype was'nt anywhere to be seen. Overall it was a lot smaller than in years past and to be honest i was a bit dissapointed with it all,so Superdan you've not really missed much. Legged it at 12 o'clock as we needed to be back in Lincoln at 1400hrs

Superdan

2012-11-25 17:24:00 UTC

Dont think I have been to the NEC for 4-5 years, really no bikes I have been fussed about seeing....until now, but alas they could no be arsed to bring it.

Would have gone anyway had I been 100% just for a catch up

Sabre

2012-11-25 17:40:00 UTC

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KTM666

2012-11-25 18:32:00 UTC

I was there today........best bit was meeting all the guys from the forum ...that were at Crash Fest

Klinky, Sabre and his son, Cerec1, Broken Leg, Gin Reaper, Duchess

Nice to meet you all again

CEREC1

2012-11-25 21:02:00 UTC

So, is this thing going to make it to the US? What do you think the price will be?

Ducati Pete

2012-11-25 21:19:00 UTC

It won't make the UK for 18 months minimum according to the KTM staff. Don't hold your breath.

fatbob

2012-11-25 21:21:00 UTC

18 Months?

I suppose a major model refesh every decade is just about right for a company that aspires to be Europe's 2nd biggest motorcycle manufacterer.

CEREC1

2012-11-26 12:18:00 UTC

Dear Santa

Ducati Pete

2012-11-26 16:17:00 UTC

18 months!!! I know it's not everybody''s cup of tea but I quite like the Ducati SF S and in 18 months time Ducati may well have a Panigale engined (or similar) Street fighter available. I'm really disappointed if its going to take KTM so long. Much as I love the Superduke (I'm on my third) my dealer nearest dealer is 11/2 hrs away compared to 30 mins for the Ducatii dealer. Plus the servicing costs of the newer Dukes are pretty reasonable. Hope KTM get their act together and bring to us sooner otherwise I think they may well lose out

SDNerd

2012-11-26 19:41:00 UTC

I thought at Milan they said the production version was well under way and would be available in late 2013? Or was that only if you live in Austria?

fatbob

2012-11-27 10:30:00 UTC

Mcn strikes again
Just stood outside having bought my ticket and reading this post about no bike !!!!
Gutted

Anata

2012-11-27 10:59:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2012-11-27 12:30:00 UTC

The most exciting bike at the NEC is my Panigale on the Austin Racing stand:)

Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-27 14:52:00 UTC

But I only have to pop into my dealers to see one of those!

(They have a DesmoRR with 700miles on it - yours for £35500!)

Ducati Pete

2012-11-27 16:12:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2012-11-29 21:45:00 UTC

It's funny cause it's true

CEREC1

2012-12-06 22:02:00 UTC

Just watched Bikeword on Motors tv and the interviewer asked the KTM UK guy at the NEC Live Bikeshow about the new SDR.
His reply was the Beast shown at the Milan show is a prototype but fingers crossed it will be made.
Definately no guaranties or when available though

Lowrance

2012-12-06 23:18:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2012-12-07 00:47:00 UTC

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DribbleDuke

2012-12-07 05:20:00 UTC

Now I know how those UFO spotters feel when a "sighting" is exsposed as a hoax.

stalker

2012-12-07 06:01:00 UTC

How many cc's will the regular bored Superduke be?
Will KTM sell an overbored Superduke

Millar

2012-12-07 06:51:00 UTC

2014 . . . . . . . . . .ffs

SDNerd

2012-12-07 22:21:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2012-12-08 00:24:00 UTC

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stalker

2012-12-08 00:27:00 UTC

Trust me.

I wouldn't buy "The Launch Bike" If I were yous. You'll end up being an unpaid development rider.

Been there with the Duke II and Duke III. As well as the Superduke.

Only buy if it's launched in U.S. first.

There are Well documented threads of EU launched bikes and cars from KTM. Where owners have had nothing but greif. KTM stay Schtum about any defects until after you have moaned and given details of probs on the Forums.
No acknowledgement to yourself or dealer network. You will be complaining for Months. New model will be launched with your detailed greivances addressed and with no thanks to ourselves for highlighting any problems.

And still we love 'em

Colonel_Klinck

2012-12-08 02:09:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2012-12-09 20:49:00 UTC

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stalker

2012-12-09 21:30:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2012-12-09 21:49:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2012-12-09 22:00:00 UTC

thinking about streetfightering a rc8 , mainly for the extra hp to drag my fat arse around a track

Stupid Luke

2012-12-09 22:06:00 UTC

fukhisass72 is a bit dramatic. The 05 superduke, and I had a pretty early one wasn't full of problems. Actually they seem to have faired better than the later R models. The starter clutch thing is the only big one that springs to mind.

Ceric, no. I want a second hand one. I won't buy new when I only ride on track a few times a year.

Ducati Pete

2012-12-09 22:07:00 UTC

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stalker

2012-12-09 22:51:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2012-12-09 23:02:00 UTC

LOL - when I quoted that post, for some reason I thought it was Jody!

Ah well, I have Stalker described as Mr blobby on speed so I won't delete it!

stalker

2012-12-09 23:41:00 UTC

i am fat , as i think has been mentioned . i just wish i could drop a few stone to help me be as quick as you MotoGP riders

SDNerd

2012-12-09 23:44:00 UTC

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2012-12-09 23:49:00 UTC

MADDOG53

2012-12-10 02:39:00 UTC

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tigerstyletroy

2013-01-09 22:02:00 UTC

now that is interesting

CEREC1

2013-01-09 22:11:00 UTC

Looks like photoshop spoof to me. Front end looks like current model, no headlight either.

Lowrance

2013-01-10 02:38:00 UTC

Exhaust would never fly...no silencer, cat, etc.

tripoddave

2013-01-10 04:17:00 UTC

Not sure if this has already been posted but there's an interview with Gerald Kiska on the topic of designing the new 1290 Super Duke.

http://blog.ktm.com/bikes/2013-bikes-wh ... #more-1353

Stratkat

2013-01-10 10:22:00 UTC

I've had 2 2005 SDs and they've been just fine until I started buggering them about (sorry) I mean 'tuning'.
I think we've known for a long time that the new SD is to be launched in the autumn shows 2013 and in the shops Easter 2014.
This is why I've bought an interim bike.
KTM marketing tell me that they are not dumbing down the SD: it will be a raw edged bike with the same attitude as the original.
So, if the production SD is anything like the prototype I will be placing my deposit as soon as they are taking them.

Stratkat

2013-01-10 14:11:00 UTC

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Millar

2013-01-10 14:26:00 UTC

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MADDOG53

2013-01-10 17:03:00 UTC

Deffo a photshop mash up. There's not enough room behind the headlight to hold the lamps, and not quite sure what's going on with those pillion peg supports?

SDNerd

2013-01-10 20:40:00 UTC

Already an MCN pic posted a while ago,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15126&start=325

Stratkat

2013-01-10 23:48:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-01-11 13:44:00 UTC

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tripoddave

2013-01-11 15:10:00 UTC

It's a mock up and not a good one at that.

Stratkat

2013-01-11 20:12:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-01-11 21:41:00 UTC

what is it that you guys find so bad about it?

CEREC1

2013-01-11 22:00:00 UTC

No pink frame.

stalker

2013-01-11 22:02:00 UTC

Or a natty little bell

MADDOG53

2013-01-11 23:35:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-01-12 00:39:00 UTC

That thing looks cooler than shite,,,,betcha thats what we get,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Colonel_Klinck

2013-01-22 19:35:00 UTC

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JohnJJr

2013-01-23 00:22:00 UTC

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Jermo

2013-01-23 16:19:00 UTC

I have not read all 15 pages but i bought this monts SSB mag and they have a artical on it.
They have the same pic of the track only bike.No headlight etc

All I can say is I have a very tricked out RC8R with all the bling a true track weapon. And if this bike is for real The RC8R is gone
I am just worried about the price.Thats what killed the first RC8R's they had to dumb them down so they could get them to sell in the 16-17 k range.

This bike has more stuff than the 20k RC8R I don't care if it's street legal I want it for the track anyway. I have slicks on my RC8 now seems like the more track days I do the less I want to ride this kind of bike on the street .The cops know me on a first name basis I can't afford the tickets.

I want one as much as I love the RC8R once you dial it in. I miss handle bars and the riding position .
I hope this is real and the price is not crazy .This bike will kill the RC8R sales for sure.So I just wonder if they will let the US market have it.

Anyone over forty years old will want it VS their RC8 just for the back pain alone
RC8R power or more. Lighter and a great riding position how can you say no .

I will get one for sure I just hope it's what the pics are but with the EPA is the USA going crazy you can't even find a pipe for your RC8R now I hope it comes with the akra The bike just so sweet It's a dream come true I hope so far my dealer does not have any info until I showed him a pic and told him I want the first one he gets.
Maybe 2014 if we are lucky or 2015 if it's real

TLS_Russ

2013-02-27 13:12:00 UTC

Some pics in today's MCN. Bike spotted by some German dude parked up in Tenerife. Not the most detailed but hopefully some more pop up somewhere.

Linga

2013-02-27 14:39:00 UTC

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SDNerd

2013-02-27 21:03:00 UTC

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Superdan

2013-02-27 22:11:00 UTC

Some spy pics in mcn today. Front light is ghey looks like an MT01 yam, front mudguard ghey also rest is nice. Will scan pic tomoz if its not on mcn website by tomorrow.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-02-27 22:59:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-02-27 23:19:00 UTC

Quite obviously the production bike was going to be different in many ways.

I am quite suprised at how bad that looks though.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-02-27 23:49:00 UTC

I'm going to reserve judgement until the final bike is shown off. They can't show off that prototype and then throw out something that looks nothing like it.

SDNerd

2013-02-28 00:33:00 UTC

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TLS_Russ

2013-02-28 01:31:00 UTC

Dont MCN write some crap................ `Shorter and more steeply raked than the 990` yea right... the front would tuck just pushing it out of the garage if it was

Lowrance

2013-02-28 01:57:00 UTC

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2013-02-28 02:15:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-02-28 04:55:00 UTC

That bike looks crap!!

MrZ32

2013-02-28 05:07:00 UTC

What bike? Show the pics please. .. can't find in Google

AGRO!

2013-02-28 05:12:00 UTC

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jmann

2013-02-28 05:17:00 UTC

There's a fine line between a thing of beauty and an object of great ugliness. I guess Gerald Kiska was
involved in the former (the prototype) and the Accountants and Emissions Controllers the latter (the pre-production bike).

To me the pre-production bike looks very much like the ugly thing we saw about a year ago. The exhaust can, by necessity,
be fixed at a price but the bodywork - that's inexcusable ... One can only hope that they know what they are doing and just
judging reactions. If you are listening KTM then - THAT BIKE IS FOOKING UGLY AND WILL NEVER SELL!!!

AGRO!

2013-02-28 05:25:00 UTC

Cant they think of a better idea for that gay head light?
What the hell went wrong from the orange prototype to this?
STUPID KTM!!
Just get a duke 200 nearly looks the same less power but a lot cheaper and looks just as gay..

MrZ32

2013-02-28 05:29:00 UTC

Thanks guys. .. I now feel sick. What a f@ck up that thing is.

Well even though the too homo looks ugly, it looks like much less of an after thought. The headlight is fugly, the exhaust looks retarded.

Can we start the poll again please because I want to change my vote. Plus side is I'm gonna save myself 30 grand... The bike plus cool exhaust and forks etc...

To me it looks like one big mess... fightered rc8r for me then.

AGRO!

2013-02-28 05:43:00 UTC

The RC8R fighter is a better idea anyhow its a race bike with all the good parts.

nampus

2013-02-28 08:02:00 UTC

Am I the only one who isn't surprised they used the 390/125 headlight?
I like it actually

MrZ32

2013-02-28 08:18:00 UTC

GIVE US A NEW POLL!!!!

Colonel_Klinck

2013-02-28 08:27:00 UTC

for those who couldn't go back a page

Ducati Pete

2013-02-28 10:11:00 UTC

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smackman

2013-02-28 13:52:00 UTC

I think it will be nice in the flesh ...Hope that headlight not is too simular of the ones that triumph S3 is banned with ...

And it looks like two is possible ...and there will be an Ktm powerparts cowl for an cleaner tail ..and Akro .. mmm it will be nice im sure .

Did someone say w h e e l i e s

This pic makes me think if they do one std and one r ..

Stratkat

2013-02-28 14:01:00 UTC

i agree. and when you look at the prototype, its really not thet far off, i feel it captures the soul of that well enough. the paint will make a difference for sure

Lowrance

2013-02-28 15:11:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-02-28 15:23:00 UTC

I think our problem is the original SD show bike looked SO good, and the production bike was very, very close and at the time was right on the money.

It may be a 8 year old model but it's a hard act to follow.

MADDOG53

2013-02-28 15:37:00 UTC

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2013-02-28 15:47:00 UTC

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JohnJJr

2013-02-28 17:52:00 UTC

Oh Dear I hope KTM haven't isolated themselves from us "Community Folks". Nah! they don't do that.

SDNerd

2013-02-28 18:31:00 UTC

I think that headlight is some aftermarked POS that i've seen selling on flea bay very often....

The whole bike's been redesigned with a naked streetfighter as the intended goal... and then i have to look at these photos -- why am i pissed !! WTF -

nampus

2013-02-28 18:55:00 UTC

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MrZ32

2013-02-28 19:40:00 UTC

looks more like they strapped this unit to the front:

Crotchrockety

2013-02-28 20:08:00 UTC

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JohnJJr

2013-02-28 20:17:00 UTC

Looks like a prop for Transformers 5. Ist Scheiße!

SDNerd

2013-03-01 01:33:00 UTC

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JohnJJr

2013-03-01 18:38:00 UTC

Mmmmmmmm ... MV Agusta ... Looking better by the minute:

SDNerd

2013-03-01 18:45:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-03-01 20:59:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-03-02 01:53:00 UTC

i cant imagine getting rid of my SD either, as much as i hate it sometimes. ive wanted to sell it several times but after a while away,
usually waiting for parts, i cant wait to get back to it. thing is ive gotten it pretty much where i want it, plus i finally own the thing free and clear!

BassAgent

2013-03-09 00:04:00 UTC

MCN this week has a quote from KTM saying its expected to be launched and selling by Oct 2013. Great news if true! Not that I can afford one mind

boney95

2013-03-09 04:39:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-03-09 05:24:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-03-09 11:03:00 UTC

Well i found this pricing for the new adventure so the SD cant be too far off

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/news/kt ... ng-europe/

So what does the European pricing tell us about the cost of these bikes in North America? Well if KTM continues with its current pricing scheme, we can expect to see an almost 1:1 conversion rate from euros to dollars (e.g. the KTM 990 Supermoto T costs €13,295 in the EU, while it is priced at $13,999).
This means that the loaded KTM 1190 Adventure & KTM 1190 Adventure R will hit dealers with a price tag in the $15,500 range, making both bikes very competitive in this market segment, assuming both are brought to North America. It will be interesting to see how BMW Motorrad prices the all-new 2013 BMW R1200GS against KTM’s potent offerings.

CEREC1

2013-03-09 18:55:00 UTC

The price will be doable for me. I just hope i dont regret being one of the first round owners by running into a bunch of issues hahaha

AGRO!

2013-03-09 21:00:00 UTC

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2013-03-09 22:52:00 UTC

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2013-03-09 23:37:00 UTC

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mick 990

2013-03-10 00:11:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-04-11 16:49:00 UTC

October isn't far away

blb

2013-04-18 14:13:00 UTC

Thats looking pretty close to the finished article now. Still don't like the headlight or the exhaust much but it will look fabulous in orange thats for sure.
Won't be able to afford one though anyway

jambox

2013-04-18 14:21:00 UTC

They're the same pics that were in MCN on page 15. Just the original (digital) quality.

As I said in the other thread, the clocks and headlight don't look right. The SSS doesn't suit and it needs a belly pan.

But once its painted it should look not too bad. I'd need to see what the PP were though (hoping for a bikini fairing at least).

smackman

2013-04-18 15:00:00 UTC

In Oktober it will be ready for our eyes . Then on Order for 2014 unfortunatly late ..

Superdan

2013-04-18 15:23:00 UTC

Please change the headlight..........please change the head light..........please change the headlight.

rocketchick

2013-04-18 15:38:00 UTC

Fook me more electronics.

mick 990

2013-04-18 16:07:00 UTC

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johnpav

2013-04-18 17:16:00 UTC

I hate the fact that Andy (Downes Syndrome) Downes concocted the report, he slated the R last year. Wants a kicking, crap reporter and anti KTM!

stalker

2013-04-18 20:11:00 UTC

still like it

paul81

2013-04-18 22:15:00 UTC

shame i can't change my vote. dissapointing, it looks dull as dishwater, just like the new 690 duke. i'd rather have the older version.

ktmguy

2013-04-18 23:32:00 UTC

Have to admit it is getting lamer the closer it gets to production.
It also takes a lot of time to get it out, imagine how many sales lost....The current model is still the same as 8 years ago

The MV looks indeed better all the time. I love my SD to bits but I guess when it ever goes it will not be replaced by the new model.
Come on KTM get your finger out and sort it!

duffman

2013-04-19 12:59:00 UTC

I loooved the prototype and was already moving my funds around to be able to get one.
But after seeing the spy shots, I'm not that sure anymore. It looks boring. Bit like a mashup of a CB1000, Cagiva Raptor and Kawa Z750

41KS

2013-04-19 18:45:00 UTC

If its 170kg and 180hp and less than 9,999€, I would not care

Colonel_Klinck

2013-04-19 19:00:00 UTC

I'm waiting to judge the final production model. After showing that prototype and all the hype I can t believe they will release something that's has none of the attitude.

Stratkat

2013-04-19 19:12:00 UTC

its funny because its got almost the same parts the the prototype R has.
the tail section is obviously diff, but the shrouds, tank, swingarm, rear fender, sprocket are all off the R.
but that stupid headlight is just awful.
it needs the Rs belly pan too that helps alot.

jmann

2013-04-19 23:24:00 UTC

Aren't we taking the photos as the near production ready bike rather than hi-res versions of the the mule that appeared
in MCN a long time ago? After then the prototype has appeared with some hints at things to come not the other way round.
Yes, of course, its going to have a crap exhaust system to get it through the emissions laws but hopefully there will be other options.
Cartridge forks - well we are sending mixed messages. Either we want them and are prepared to pay or we take stock
options and have a bike built to a price. Unfortunately, I suspect that not to many people will put their money where their
mouth is - some don't have it. It's always been like this. When I was young I used to ride on the threads...

Linga

2013-04-20 00:38:00 UTC

I like it.
It will be an upgradable road version.
I'll probably get one and mod the fook out of it.
I think the new promo video will be better than the last and the stunt rider on it will show what it can really do.

cdlabate

2013-04-20 03:10:00 UTC

Im keeping my 08' because it's badass!

Linga

2013-04-20 04:53:00 UTC

Oh I'll be keeping mine... I have the set... I'd like an 07+ SD as a stunter though.
I have my eyes on the auctions.

Millar

2013-04-20 10:29:00 UTC

The dashboard looks to be the same as the new 1190 adv, it looks really dated. We need a nice slimline lcd screen like the Panigale, then it would give scope to reduce the size of that bloody headlight. I hate the way instrument cluster sits on top of the headlight rather than being integrated.
Trouble is with all the electrics, you will be tied to that dash, otherwise I would just ditch it for a small aftermarket version and stick and exc light on it.

stalker

2013-04-20 11:01:00 UTC

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gregor eisenhorn

2013-04-20 21:33:00 UTC

just stick a number plate on it and start selling the thing , before it goes out of date

Ducati Pete

2013-04-21 22:17:00 UTC

What the eff is with that exhaust. Was there going to be a standard version and and r version?

CEREC1

2013-04-21 22:42:00 UTC

The showbike's zorst would never get through a track day noise test - let alone a homologation emissions test.

mick 990

2013-04-22 05:56:00 UTC

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2013-04-23 12:47:00 UTC

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mick 990

2013-04-23 13:06:00 UTC

Screen or entire headlight In the spirit of Kika design... Somethings like this... Two wings separate... and keep the guideline with the tail section...You now what I mean...

JohnJJr

2013-04-23 14:58:00 UTC

[quote="mick 990"]Screen or entire headlight In the spirit of Kika design... Somethings like this... Two wings separate... and keep the guideline with the tail section...You now what I mean...

I like that headlight setup - very different

mick 990

2013-04-23 16:55:00 UTC

Look at the first picture, we can see on the triangle of the tubular frame what seems like a part of a air box who is not there on the 1290R prototype or the last picture...

jambox

2013-04-23 17:04:00 UTC

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JohnJJr

2013-04-23 17:07:00 UTC

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2013-04-23 19:03:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-04-23 19:36:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-04-23 20:10:00 UTC

yep pretty much the same and looking better all the time. the single seat section is really what seperates the 2 machines and always has. the R has always looked better to me and ive never even owned one!
i think we are going to be seeing lots of leaks now, looks like they are finishing it up. like the headlight much better...

Stratkat

2013-04-23 20:15:00 UTC

where are you guys getting these images, i cant find anything!!

jambox

2013-04-23 20:25:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2013-04-23 21:24:00 UTC

In dealers showroom in December in the UK from what my dealer has been told. KTM about to discount the remaining SDR's to shift the last ones in time.

Willh

2013-04-23 21:48:00 UTC

Seat to bar distance looks to be shorter than the 990, more hooligan, less roadster

MADDOG53

2013-04-23 22:56:00 UTC

I still don't want one,,,,,, and then all that "good stuff" for it will be even more,,,,,,,

Stratkat

2013-04-24 02:36:00 UTC

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jmann

2013-04-24 03:53:00 UTC

When and where was this photo taken?

MADDOG53

2013-04-24 09:56:00 UTC

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JohnJJr

2013-04-24 10:56:00 UTC

Talking with a guy from a UK KTM dealer the other day who has seen the bike and its going to be around £14k they reckoned....

fatbob

2013-04-24 12:07:00 UTC

I really like the seat on the prototype ... i'm just having a hard time getting used to looking at the HARD CHINES of the other seat.

the 1290 engine looks badass.

tripoddave

2013-04-24 12:16:00 UTC

I think 14K is to high to compete with the Aprilia , we'll see
the price tag wouldn't stop me buying it though , Ive been really tempted by the adventure which looks sweet.
In fact it wasn't to disimilar to the protoype bike , and with the finishing touches it looked even better

Colonel_Klinck

2013-05-01 16:28:00 UTC

This is repeated by Visordown today:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-new ... 22708.html
so it must be true

They, too, say £14,000 which is a hell of a lot of wonga for a naked when the RC8R is cheaper - you can even get 2012 RC8Rs (new) for £10k.
Still, I like the styling especially the single sided swing - arm and the exhausts will go in favour of an Akra system or maybe a Zard.

Superdan

2013-05-01 16:40:00 UTC

One thing I don't like is the pillion foot peg doubling as a exhaust mount. I would whip the pillion pegs straight off but that isn't a option. Hope they come up with something else for that area. Also seems silly covering up that wheel like that.

Jermo

2013-05-01 17:17:00 UTC

I love it, glad they listened to me and changed the headlight

robjederuiter

2013-05-01 17:26:00 UTC

Looks like there is a separate tank cover like the CBR600RR has, would be a good solution to the tank problems.

JohnJJr

2013-05-01 23:32:00 UTC

This blog post from KTM pretty much confirms 1290 SD for next year at around 15000 euros.

http://blog.ktm.com/uncategorized/father-of-the-duke/

cheeheese

2013-05-02 00:33:00 UTC

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tripoddave

2013-05-02 10:33:00 UTC

Agreed. I hope they tidy up that whole exhaust layout/package.
That big, black, flute styled can ruins the rear. The shiny heat guard isn't winning any style points either.

CEREC1

2013-05-10 00:03:00 UTC

As if that muffler won't be in the shed within two weeks of picking the bike up.

JohnJJr

2013-05-10 07:46:00 UTC

I expect that we've all asked our dealers when the 1290 will be in.
Redline had some important people in from KTM last week so I took the opportunity to ask when the first bikes will be on the road in the UK.
I am told that the first bikes are due to be in the UK end April / beginning of May 2014.
Deposits MAY be being taken as early as the NEC show.

Stratkat

2013-05-10 08:47:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-05-10 09:19:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2013-05-10 13:29:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-05-10 13:35:00 UTC

No there hasn't.

Stratkat

2013-05-10 13:38:00 UTC

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nampus

2013-05-10 13:46:00 UTC

And that wasn't even a real SD-R. 2008 was the first (and by most accounts) the only real SD-R. Apparently all later years have standard SD motor with a big orange R on the rad shrouds.

Lowrance

2013-05-10 14:18:00 UTC

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2013-05-10 15:01:00 UTC

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jambox

2013-05-10 15:51:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-05-10 16:08:00 UTC

Loud and clear.
Not a precise science as say; an M3 or GTI

jmann

2013-05-10 16:38:00 UTC

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mick 990

2013-05-10 17:27:00 UTC

we got bot the standard RC8 and the R here, think you can still get Rs have never seen either on the street just at dealers.
guess we'll just have to wait and see what they come up with, cant wait myself

mick 990

2013-05-10 21:32:00 UTC

Ha! If KTM don't get this bike into production soon the dialogue will degenerate to

Remember when we were young and used to ride Super Dukes ... Remember that R model with the orange frame ...

You guys are half way there already

stalker

2013-05-11 01:12:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-06-21 13:49:00 UTC

From what I've heard here and there will be:

- Superduke 1290 Standard 180hp ...

Superduke-1290R to 197hp ... Probably full Akrapovic + High Performance Air Box and a further 500 to 1000rpm ...

-And Surprise ... There would be developing a RC8R said (Ducati Killer) It would be a 1290 with a peak of 225hp! Electronic suspension and all the high tech gear ...

Personally I find these numbers very optimistic but achievable... So for those who complain about the double seat and the distance from the prototype, there will be a Duke for you for an justified extra .. Once with the new head light in place, finish made, painting and stripes, the beast will have an incredible look...

The dealer have an appointment at Mattigoffen very soon, so we should be fixed very soon ... remains to know the price of all this... ...

For more ...

jmann

2013-06-21 14:02:00 UTC

According to an article I read:
Having based on the engine of the 1190 RC8R, the engineers did not have to redo all the work for "porting" the head, the intake system and camshaft as is the case for the new 1190 Adventure. They increased the bore 3mm causing the engine displacement of around 1264cc to my calculations ...

And if we follow with a calculation of proportion to the RC8R of 173hp, we arrive at 183hp so the 180hp is very plausible ...
By cons, if the same calculation is performed over the RC8R TRACK 179hp, we arrive at 190hp, we are far of the 197hp ...

But hey, all these hypothetical values for its time, and many other improvements and changes had to be made elsewhere in this engine ... And even at 180hp, it will be more than enough...

SDNerd

2013-06-21 14:22:00 UTC

Never can there be enough

mick 990

2013-06-22 16:17:00 UTC

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Linga

2013-06-22 20:29:00 UTC

Rc8r will not exceed 1200cc unless they change the rules of SBK while in talks with them.
Chances are that a new rushed superbike will come out before 2015 if talks are sorted.
Those numbers are a bit bollocks, unless KTM has decided to use Ducati's release book!!
I know of A Panigale that is making less than the 1098 Dynoed on the same dyno...

DribbleDuke

2013-06-22 21:22:00 UTC

The Superduke SDR prototype is set to parade up Lord March's drive at this year's Goodwood Festival of Speed.
So state the Saturday Telegraph today.Shame I haven't got a ticket.

Stratkat

2013-06-23 00:02:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-06-25 17:59:00 UTC

hmmm. looks like it will be built in India

http://beforeitsnews.com/motor-junkies/ ... 71072.html

You read it first on MotorBeam. At today’s launch of the Duke 390, KTM said it would launch the 1290 SuperDuke in India in limited numbers. The Austrian company will initially bring the KTM 1290 SuperDuke via the CBU route by the end of this year. However KTM has plans to completely manufacture the SuperDuke 1290 in India by 2015. This news about locally manufacturing the SuperDuke in India was shared by Mr. Amit Nandi (Head of KTM India) with us, post the launch of the 390 Duke.

Local production of the KTM SuperDuke 1290 will result in a very aggressive price and this move by KTM is an excellent one considering CBU duties have been hiked recently. The local production of the SuperDuke will also give premium motorcycle companies like Harley-Davidson, Hyosung, Kawasaki, Ducati and Triumph some sleepless nights, as they won’t be able to compete with KTM on pricing. Japanese companies like Yamaha, Honda and Suzuki also sell premium bikes, all brought in via the CBU route.

While the production version of the KTM 1290 SuperDuke is yet to be unveiled, the prototype shows what a mean machine it is. Powering this hyper naked motorcycle is a 1195cc, V-twin engine which is expected to belt out around 180 BHP of power. This is the same engine which does duty on the RC8R, which is being showcased at KTM showrooms across the country. However KTM has no plans to launch or manufacture the RC8R in India, as the demand for streetfighter motorcycles is higher. Expect the SuperDuke to be priced around the Rs. 10 lakh mark. Meanwhile check out the awesome KTM RC8R

ktmguy

2013-06-25 18:00:00 UTC

not sure what "premium" motorcycles Yamaha, Honda, and Suzuki are manufacturing, at least their prices here arent reflecting Indian manufacture...

jmann

2013-06-25 21:57:00 UTC

Well as much as I like the bike I have to say that KTM has a very weird marketing strategy!
lots of hype but no susbstance mainly. The engine is there in different models so how hard can it be? In the mean time other brands sell bikes.
I know a few people who swapped brands coz it takes too long.
Same with the adventure 1190, here has been on the market for months now but the states still don't have it I believe.
One can only hope that the price will be similar or lower than the ADV 1190 which is just over aud 22 k here.
When the SD first came out it was 24k +
If they manage to keep it under 20 they might have a chance.

SuperHoon

2013-06-26 00:25:00 UTC

Not sure what the implication of that article is. Doesn't it just say that some of the 1290's will be produced in India
to supply the local market and keep the cost competitive. Is it also implying that Total production will be from India
to the rest of the world. If so would that also keep the price down in Europe, UK, USA, Oz ... ? If all production moves
to India my feeling is that they would want pretty good componentry and QC.

CEREC1

2013-06-26 11:31:00 UTC

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enigma990

2013-06-26 11:49:00 UTC

Surely if the new SD is initially manufactured and assembled in Austria the Indian aspect would probably just involve assembly of Austrian manufactured components

mick 990

2013-06-26 22:21:00 UTC

Read it as tho India will get a limited run of the bikes from Austria but eventual production will be there, shipped back to Austria for final QC before going out to markets. Can't see that making it cheaper as hasn't really worked for the smaller bikes but then I may not of read it right

soarsore

2013-06-29 04:02:00 UTC

PBRnr

2013-06-29 04:31:00 UTC

That the Patriotic Parade Edition? Nice to see the seat and pass foot pegs.

Millar

2013-06-29 05:29:00 UTC

if i must ride one for my country, then so be it...but that speedo has to go

jambox

2013-06-29 07:40:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-06-29 11:04:00 UTC

What the hell Speed Triple

mick 990

2013-06-29 11:38:00 UTC

This is a at 2014 dealer conference, I'm assuming in the USA

41KS

2013-06-29 12:38:00 UTC

Wow, they must be planning to ride that one in a 4th of July parade next week. I'm off to find my Evel Knievel leathers and American flag cape.

Underneath the stars and stripes it looks just like the white with orange frame version that was posted here a couple months back. I like the headlight but as others have pointed out the instrument cluster has a bit of a "let's just bolt it on any where we can find room to stick it" look. Very similar to the way the do it on the Triumph Speed Triple.

Exitman

2013-06-29 14:26:00 UTC

Stratkat

2013-06-29 14:35:00 UTC

The headlight is sorted out, thats a good sign. The pussy-tacho does not stay, the one of most progressive company in terms of design should be able for it. Everything else (tail tidy, exhaust etc) can be easily sorted with aftermarket stuff...

Superdan

2013-06-29 15:49:00 UTC

Paint job is nowhere near as slick as the MV Agusta Brutale America, but appreciate it's a "special". Headlight looks good but agree that the instrument cluster is a bit of a cluster fook and the exhaust is so damned ugly you'd simply. have to get aftermarket. All that said and all the time I've spent customizing my SDR - I still want one

cdlabate

2013-06-29 17:18:00 UTC

im gonna keep my SD for another couple of years and let you guys test em out first, its paid for and i want to enjoy that for a while...

Millar

2013-06-29 17:28:00 UTC

Looks good from the side, but that front headlight does not look right from the posted angle at 30 degrees from the front, too much space between bars and light.

AGRO!

2013-06-29 20:26:00 UTC

They need to make the dash smaller and i had to laugh at the front indicators

Blackduke77

2013-06-29 21:00:00 UTC

It's not bad at all. The front looks a little funny with the small indicators and the giant gauges but the real question will be, how does it feel. I really don't care how it looks as long as its a blast to ride. Fat ass exhaust and bunny ear mirrors first to go.

Lowrance

2013-06-29 21:30:00 UTC

They're following Ducati's lead with the lower headlight which I think is a mistake (one of the main reasons I didn't buy SF a couple of years ago, pipe/peg issue being the other). Looks tolerable from the side but shit from the front and no protection for the clocks...huge mistake.

Millar

2013-06-29 22:04:00 UTC

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stalker

2013-06-29 22:19:00 UTC

looks alright to me . will strip it all down and get on track

Colonel_Klinck

2013-06-29 22:23:00 UTC

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DribbleDuke

2013-06-29 22:42:00 UTC

[quote="Stratkat"]hmmm. looks like it will be built in India

http://beforeitsnews.com/motor-junkies/ ... 71072.html

You read it first on MotorBeam. At today’s launch of the Duke 390, KTM said it would launch the 1290 SuperDuke in India in limited numbers. The Austrian company will initially bring the KTM 1290 SuperDuke via the CBU route by the end of this year. However KTM has plans to completely manufacture the SuperDuke 1290 in India by 2015. This news about locally manufacturing the SuperDuke in India was shared by Mr. Amit Nandi (Head of KTM India) with us, post the launch of the 390 Duke.

Local production of the KTM SuperDuke 1290 will result in a very aggressive price and this move by KTM is an excellent one considering CBU duties have been hiked recently. The local production of the SuperDuke will also give premium motorcycle companies like Harley-Davidson, Hyosung, Kawasaki, Ducati and Triumph some sleepless nights, as they won’t be able to compete with KTM on pricing. Japanese companies like Yamaha, Honda and
Suzuki also sell premium bikes, all brought in via the CBU route.

While the production version of the KTM 1290 SuperDuke is yet to be unveiled, the prototype shows what a mean machine it is. Powering this hyper naked motorcycle is a 1195cc, V-twin engine which is expected to belt out around 180 BHP of power. This is the same engine which does duty on the RC8R, which is being showcased at KTM showrooms across the country. However KTM has no plans to launch or manufacture the RC8R in India, as the demand for streetfighter motorcycles is higher. Expect the SuperDuke to be priced around the Rs. 10 lakh mark. Meanwhile check out the awesome KTM RC8R [/quote

Does'nt appear to be over the cc limit to me. Where KTM gets thier final numbridge designation from seems like a blindfold and a dartboard technique to me.
I am forever hearing twelveninety like it is reffering to cc's and not how many miles before the lectrics take a shit on you.

JohnJJr

2013-06-30 03:45:00 UTC

NO complaints from me - would love to have it or any one like it

Lowrance

2013-06-30 05:12:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-06-30 06:32:00 UTC

If it was in all black get rid of that pipe plus smaller dash and bar end mirrors it would look ok.
If you look at a street fighter when its coming towards you it looks like a scooter because of the headlight.
Also single sided swing arms are a pain in the butt as they can seize up and if you bend a axle it costs heaps to replace..
As for the new SD i wont be buying one as i think the old model looks better sorry KTM.

CEREC1

2013-06-30 06:57:00 UTC

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2013-06-30 07:11:00 UTC

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2013-06-30 07:39:00 UTC

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DribbleDuke

2013-06-30 07:50:00 UTC

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Viking

2013-06-30 08:40:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-06-30 14:00:00 UTC

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jambox

2013-06-30 14:56:00 UTC

they keep calling the biposto an "R" i wonder if there is only going to be one version now as opposed to an adittional higher spec mono posto?

jambox

2013-06-30 15:27:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-06-30 15:37:00 UTC

Figured I'd post the stages of 1290 SuperDukeness. Doesn't look like much has changed (apart from the headlight, that I can tell) during development from first getting snapped.

soarsore

2013-06-30 16:05:00 UTC

i said that right from the first photo on the trailer, it looked pretty much finalized then...

Crotchrockety

2013-06-30 19:03:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-06-30 20:02:00 UTC

The makers of tail tidy's / fender eliminators, are going to have a good year with KTM business.

ozarkhomie

2013-07-01 03:06:00 UTC

That bloody thing looks like an Aprilia RS125!!

AGRO!

2013-07-01 07:49:00 UTC

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Jody

2013-07-01 17:22:00 UTC

more pics of this...

in this link !
http://blog.derestricted.com/motorcycle ... t-edition/

Stratkat

2013-07-01 18:40:00 UTC

excellent Jody!, it really looks pretty good especially in higher res, i dont even mind the exhaust as much as i thought i would.
i notice the decals dont have the 'R' anwhere as the prototype does, but it seems they refer to it as the 1290'R'. anyone know what the deal is?
think there will be an adittional 'R' version similar to the orange prototype? i think there will be...

Stratkat

2013-07-01 18:43:00 UTC

i notice on the shroud closeup, they dont seem to have the cool aluminium washer backing the screw... thats a little disappointing, one of the little details i like about the current version...

Crotchrockety

2013-07-01 19:01:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-07-02 00:55:00 UTC

LOL!! To me there is something not quite right about the new SD the front doesn't match the rear viewtopic.php?f=8&t=21707

cdlabate

2013-07-02 01:34:00 UTC

More pics/could be the same as the 'destricted link' above
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/k ... on-photos/

41KS

2013-07-02 05:34:00 UTC

Can't stand the front indicators. They just look out of place... aftermarket

Stratkat

2013-07-02 11:38:00 UTC

I like my 1290 SD to be something like this. Cant resist open back wheel

CEREC1

2013-07-02 13:21:00 UTC

i like the thing alot, it looks sooooo much better than the Toano and im thinking is going to be on par performance wise, maybe even better because it looks lighter.

jmann

2013-07-02 14:30:00 UTC

How hard would it be to fit an RC8R full Titanium Akro system

fatbob

2013-07-03 00:53:00 UTC

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shadowman

2013-07-03 07:56:00 UTC

i like it and have started saving

MADDOG53

2013-07-03 10:20:00 UTC

I have a vague plan forming in my head...

Sell current SD and buy an SMT so that I can do some two up touring and still have something fun to ride on solo blasts.

Wait two or three years for a fully sorted tricked up 1290 with next to no miles to come up as the more money than sense brigade start ditching them for whatever the latest new thing is at that stage. Buy that – Effectively better than new with all glitches resolved for less than half price.

Hmmm, bet I’m not the only one thinking that might be the best strategy!

Thank god for the new bike buyers that make life sweeter for us cheapskates

stalker

2013-07-03 13:29:00 UTC

Patriot edition

Stratkat

2013-07-03 16:55:00 UTC

am i the only one that can see the R on the side fairings and tail ?

Lowrance

2013-07-03 18:18:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-07-03 20:10:00 UTC

It's a one-off paint job for the US dealer show in Austria.....think you guys might be reading too much into an R....no R.

AGRO!

2013-07-03 20:42:00 UTC

Really? How so?

AGRO!

2013-07-04 00:18:00 UTC

Why couldn't they have put a smaller dash something like the Ducati monster..
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl= ... wAw&dur=42

Katomic

2013-07-04 01:05:00 UTC

I can see the patriot edition selling well in mid west and south, or at least drawing customers into the store. It would be ultimate redneck fantasy to blast down a freeway in texas doing wheelies on the patriot edition. Maybe Colin Edwards will ride a KTM next year in GP with patriot edition colors.

Davo-Singapore

2013-07-10 06:00:00 UTC

Hey its running at Goodwood Festival of speed this month. Jeremy McWilliams will be riding it on 18th. Who's going?

stalker

2013-07-10 06:34:00 UTC

my son is going

Lowrance

2013-07-10 06:35:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-07-10 12:51:00 UTC

yeah thats true. im still hoping they come out with a single seater which i think id opt for this time around...

smackman

2013-07-10 13:40:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-07-10 15:46:00 UTC

no thank you, it still looks like a giant ant.

smackman

2013-07-10 19:32:00 UTC

Well taste differs

AGRO!

2013-07-11 00:12:00 UTC

I've ridden the ape and they go great! But I still like the look of the old .SD with the newer head light.I don't think I will be buying the latest .SD either as I'm not a fan of single sided swing arms.

SDNerd

2013-07-11 18:20:00 UTC

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41KS

2013-07-11 22:18:00 UTC

Comoon

AGRO!

2013-07-12 00:08:00 UTC

I use to like single sided swing arms but I did own a Speed Triple so enough said.
I think you might find on the new Super Duke that you have to remove the silencer to get the tyre off?
Any how if you really feel you need a single sided swing arm just buy yourself a moped

fatbob

2013-07-12 12:27:00 UTC

the prilla is proper ugly , but a great bike to ride
is goodwood still on , on the 18th ?

SDNerd

2013-07-12 16:40:00 UTC

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stalker

2013-07-12 18:13:00 UTC

Wow, saw the 1290 Superduke ridden up the hillclimb at Goodwood today by Jeremy McWilliams, i only saw it on it's back wheel but it went like stink and sounded amazing.
Still a bit unsure about the styling though.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-07-12 19:04:00 UTC

CEREC1

2013-07-12 19:28:00 UTC

Ffs someone get a video of it on the hillclimb

SuperHoon

2013-07-12 22:19:00 UTC

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JohnJJr

2013-07-12 22:24:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-07-13 00:17:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-07-13 00:39:00 UTC

comes with tyre warmers as well

Stratkat

2013-07-13 06:06:00 UTC

found this photo, still no video about.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/clicks_100 ... 56670@N00/

i want to hear it at full song, not some shitty dubstep!

Katomic

2013-07-13 18:06:00 UTC

from KTM:

KTM UK Videos will come soon. We promise they will be good. BRRRAAARRRPPP!

D4NPH

2013-07-13 23:38:00 UTC

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Woody80

2013-07-14 06:37:00 UTC

[youtube]http://youtu.be/sadYiH3dm88[/youtube]

Supaduke

2013-07-14 11:31:00 UTC

The more I see it, the more I hear it...
I'm thinking of taking a loan, and buying it as soon as it's available.
Never did that before, but you only live once...

Davo-Singapore

2013-07-15 06:15:00 UTC

Here's three pics my mate sent from Goodwood FoS yesterday.

Lowrance

2013-07-15 11:06:00 UTC

Where is the video????? I would really like to see Jeremy McWilliams tearing up the hill climb.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-07-15 11:26:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-07-15 12:03:00 UTC

i'm getting restless

shadowman

2013-07-15 12:19:00 UTC

Still no video but there are some good (low res) images of the run up the hill here...

shadowman

2013-07-15 12:28:00 UTC

Go here for a close up action shot

41KS

2013-07-15 12:59:00 UTC

I sat there waiting, and waiting, camera in hand, sweating my nads off, camera set to video for all the bikes to come up the hill.

Nothing, the superduke didn't run in the morning session, not sure if it did in the afternoon. So, in the 4 days, I saw it run once up the hill. That once, was mighty impressive though.

Mr_Trecolareco

2013-07-15 13:55:00 UTC

The suspense is killing me aghhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Spy84

2013-07-15 14:04:00 UTC

Looks pretty "electric" in action

SuperHoon

2013-07-15 19:35:00 UTC

I think they could maintain the look of the underslung exhaust by using a collector box under the engine in the same way they did with the 2008 Duke 690 and the titanium full system for the RC8.
You could then have the side mounted end can sprouting off the same box.
I really hope KTM/Akropovic can duplicate the look of the prototype; not just the pipes but the whole bike.I'm hoping there will be a single seat R modelto which we can add the full Akro and achieve a comparable look.I.e. just add lights to the prototype.It looks hugely better than the standard bike such as the Patriot we've seen recently.

41KS

2013-07-15 20:15:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-07-16 23:07:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-07-17 10:14:00 UTC

well spotted!

but the question everyone is asking..

Lowrance

2013-07-17 12:41:00 UTC

They keep it top secret Thing feels light, moving around.

SDNerd

2013-07-17 18:47:00 UTC

Here's a glimpse at 1:55

shadowman

2013-07-19 12:57:00 UTC

It's at mpora.com/videos.Someone do us all a favour.

Supaduke

2013-07-19 13:05:00 UTC

Try this

Lowrance

2013-07-19 14:03:00 UTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Iy0ov6abGw

Supaduke

2013-07-19 14:16:00 UTC

Hmmm.

SuperHoon

2013-07-19 14:25:00 UTC

Hmmm?

Superdan

2013-07-19 14:45:00 UTC

What the shit is that god awful music doing on there??!!??

Its like they're trying ti hide what it sounds like right in the top end rpms...

64kid

2013-07-19 18:00:00 UTC

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64kid

2013-07-19 18:03:00 UTC

Previous two links showing 'private' or 'removed'... Try this one before 'somebody' deletes it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk_cV6VLTTY

Oh and hi.... first post after years in the background

64 out

Superdan

2013-07-19 18:04:00 UTC

Supergay beat me to it

AndersH

2013-07-19 18:05:00 UTC

Many thanks, Superdan,you're a technological marvel!

enigma990

2013-07-19 18:12:00 UTC

Shame I could not fix the wanky sound

Supaduke

2013-07-19 18:27:00 UTC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk_cV6VLTTY

64kid

2013-07-19 18:29:00 UTC

still sounds awesome and looks great on the run!

See the V4 Tuono has been given a nice internal makeover but so looking forward to the release of the Beast, as some have said would've preferred an RC8 style exhaust BUT emissions have tightened and at least with a 'normal' exhaust aftermarket options are going to be more numerous. Just remember KTM the update Tuono comes in at £12342 OTR so please price sensibly!

SuperHoon

2013-07-19 18:48:00 UTC

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Viking

2013-07-19 19:58:00 UTC

64kid wrote:
Previous two links showing 'private' or 'removed'... Try this one before 'somebody' deletes it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk_cV6VLTTY

Oh and hi.... first post after years in the background

64 out

You're avatar! Crass! Thats a long time ago. Nice!

Thanks,
And they're still keeping it real: http://thehippiesnowwearblack.wordpress ... ory/crass/
I think the Duke would've been the 'anti-system' vehicle of choice in the day lol

MADDOG53

2013-07-19 20:59:00 UTC

You'd have to think KTM's video editor might have kept the on-bike exhaust note running through-out the video as oppossed to cutting out on other camera views. Just a personal opinion I guess.

Stratkat

2013-07-20 04:06:00 UTC

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smackman

2013-07-20 10:48:00 UTC

That's a cool vid. Bike looks a bit longer than the old one. Also looks pretty soft.

Shame they've messed about with the sound, would be good to hear it properly.

JohnJJr

2013-07-22 02:09:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-07-22 11:05:00 UTC

Howewer - the patriot edition does not look bad at all from this angle (below)... At the end its the engine, ergonomics and components which count...

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I am half tempted to take mine apart this winter and paint it that blue scheme ...... awesome ....... and i know how to paint

Stratkat

2013-07-22 18:41:00 UTC

The Too-homo looks a bit bug like out of the showroom. Super Dans bike looks the bees knees though.

A bit of tweeking here and there and you can refine them to taste.

JohnJJr

2013-07-22 20:14:00 UTC

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Mr_Trecolareco

2013-07-23 03:40:00 UTC

you think there's some way ( what's wrong with ) mounting that clutch and front brake reservoir closer to the center of the handlebars instead of up there in everyone's face ?? could it be adapted somehow ?

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Superdan

2013-07-23 09:17:00 UTC

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2013-07-23 09:35:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-07-25 13:02:00 UTC

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enigma990

2013-07-25 13:36:00 UTC

really? with all the potential that this new bike has to offer you guys are not liking the reservoirs??
they are in the same place as the ones on our current SDs!

Supaduke

2013-07-25 13:53:00 UTC

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ktm08

2013-07-31 15:39:00 UTC

September issue of Bike magazine got a couple of pages on the Beast being setup for Goodwood, most we already know but was some interesting snippets

Colonel_Klinck

2013-08-08 21:10:00 UTC

McWilliams riding the 1290SD at Goodwood was on Motors tv tonight. Anyone seen it?

johnpav

2013-08-20 20:32:00 UTC

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XSmGebxiG8

SuperHoon

2013-08-20 20:43:00 UTC

OMG that thing goes like stink! It looks like the prototype so all singing suspension but still. Now who has 14k they want to give me?

Lowrance

2013-08-20 21:30:00 UTC

Oh boy Oh boy, soon as leisure Trail have a demo, I'm there!

Lowrance

2013-08-21 04:22:00 UTC

I don't care what it costs, but i will make it mine.

Punches off the corners well, top end gets eaten by the bmw, i hoped it would be closer..

SuperHoon

2013-08-21 04:42:00 UTC

Dunno what's been done to that BMW but it looks (and sounds) pretty stock from the little view of the cockpit we have in that video.

With that said the BMW rider was checking up way before the 1290 and wasn't even reving the bike out down the straights...just sayin. And, this is from the un-corked prototrype. The prody version will most likely be substantially slower out of the box.

One other thing of note is that the guy on the 1290 (presumably McWilliams) is light years better at riding than that BMW pilot.

Does anyone know what track that was? I'm usually pretty good at identifying a track from on-board video but this one eludes me.

Thanks, John

Colonel_Klinck

2013-08-21 04:51:00 UTC

Just watched the vid again...not so sure it was McWilliams on the 1290 and if you look closely, it appears that this 1290 has a stock looking silencer on it. May infact be a production, or pre-production (off the assembly line) version.

charger

2013-08-21 05:22:00 UTC

Mcwilliams said on twitter that it wasn't him.

I reckon it's a production bike, pretty sure i spotted pillion pegs on it. But could be wrong.

Ducati Pete

2013-08-21 05:28:00 UTC

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enigma990

2013-08-21 06:53:00 UTC

Well spotted guys. So that could actually be the production bike. Well even better then

paul81

2013-08-21 11:11:00 UTC

That's brilliant. Without knowing anything about the riders or the specs of the BMW, the drive out of the corners on the SD was heaps better and even the corner speed seemed better in most places.

The only place the BMW was hosing it was 200 km/hr plus which is 90% aerodynamics. A semi naked is never going to compete with a fully faired race bike up in that zone.

Ducati Pete

2013-08-21 16:45:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-08-21 18:56:00 UTC

Just watched the vid again...for the third time. Now I know that the S1000RR in stock form is an absolute rocket....way too bloody fast for the street but I have to say I would have thought a 180hp (at the crank of course) V-Twin would have at least been able to hold it's own out of the corners. The BMW pulled along side and passed it like it was standing still on more than one occasion (even with a less than talented rider on the BMW).

Obviously we do not have all pertinent info but I would've expected a stronger showing accelerating out of slower corners.

Ducati Pete

2013-08-21 19:48:00 UTC

You can't really tell much from that, apart from the superduke looks pleasing to the eye.

Not only do we not know the skill level of the 2 riders, or how far they are trying twisting the throttle; the thing is obviously a "work"

BMW is blasting past and then putting himself out wide , nearly coming to a stop in fact, to film the duke coming underneath. He slows so much that he's in the wrong gear on at least 2 occasions.

CEREC1

2013-08-21 20:08:00 UTC

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2013-08-21 21:06:00 UTC

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2013-08-21 21:07:00 UTC

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jmann

2013-08-22 01:24:00 UTC

All things considered the SD looks like it performs quite well around the track but watching that video I get the impression the BMW rider could pass at any time he chooses. Considering McWilliams is the guy on the SD that makes me wonder who is riding the BMW? The ease with which the S1000RR goes by the SD on the straights is humbling. I guess that's what 170+ RWHP and a fairing gives you.

Viking

2013-08-22 02:04:00 UTC

I get the feeling that that this is just two KTM guys having a bit of fun on a test ride. The BMW rider isn't pushing at all hard as if he's not used
to the bike. He's certainly not using all that traction control he's got! Once out of the corner he opens up a little but he's not really on
the gas as he comes out. On the other hand the KTM brakes later, goes in harder and most times comes out harder. Interestingly, a couple
of times the KTM looks a little wobbly going in. I thought the same of McWilliams at Goodwood. Surprisingly, the KTM can sometimes get
away from the BMW in a corner and if it does the BMW takes a fair while to crank up and catch it thus it is only on the big straights like
the main straight that the BMW has the time to crank up and the legs to send the KTM on it's way. Overall, I thought the KTM did remarkably
well for a naked.

If one were a suspicious type one might suspect that this is just a carefully orchestrated part of the marketing lead-up. eg Let's make it look
good against a BMW1000RR.

Stratkat

2013-08-22 02:20:00 UTC

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jmann

2013-08-22 07:30:00 UTC

McWilliams confirmed it wasn't him on his twitter.

I think it's a bit crazy to try and compare an S1000rr with any naked. The guy riding the BMW was a wet blanket and obviously the KTM rider was trying a bit. They're not even comparable bikes.

The only thing you can take out the video is what you can see of the KTM. Take it for what it is.

It looks better than the goodwood video where the bike looked a bit of a mess on setup. Again, I spotted a quote from McWilliams a few days ago saying they had to do a bit of work to get it to handle for the hillclimb vid.

I'm sure it will be a really fun road or trackday bike. But no matter what it's never going to compare with a full on sportsbike on track.

I cant see any UK Battle series coming about as Ducati has extended the 848 Challenge for another 2 years and Triumph is continuing with the T3 Challenge which will keep running as BSBs entry level class. I think the package is 18 grand for the bike, 3tyres per round, and all your seasons entries, and you keep the bike after.

With the power and spec of the new bike it will be loads of fun I'm sure. And really, that's what naked bikes are about.

BassAgent

2013-08-22 17:14:00 UTC

why are you guys so worried about how well it does against a superbike, its still going to be hellaciousy fast!
take it for what it is. me? i just cant wait.

smackman

2013-08-23 01:12:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-08-23 04:42:00 UTC

All I know is the forums is starting a fundraiser to buy me one. Thanks guys, ilu all ;3

Ducati Pete

2013-08-24 06:40:00 UTC

Thing is you want to smoke thoose sportbikes at trackdays !! who ever say otherwise is not true to himself .

In this Vid for me it looks likes the beemer dude is as fast and he aint even trying to be fast .... little disapponting a must say , shure the bmw is the fastest sportbike on this planet but he aint revving .. hmm

MADDOG53

2013-08-24 12:46:00 UTC

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2013-08-24 13:24:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-08-24 13:50:00 UTC

The new bike should at least have enough grunt to keep the big boys in site down the straights. This is good news.

Davo-Singapore

2013-08-24 19:43:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-08-26 17:37:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-08-27 03:45:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-08-27 03:56:00 UTC

Interesting article ion this month's BIKE magazine with some insight from Jeremy McWilliams.

I like that everyone is referring to the bike as "The Beast" too.

Stratkat

2013-08-27 13:26:00 UTC

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jmann

2013-08-28 01:05:00 UTC

Oh cool, the bellypan seems to be split in two halves so we can replace a worn half at a time ...

Davo-Singapore

2013-08-28 01:29:00 UTC

[quote="Colonel_Klinck"]Found these

Pity about the paint work. Surely there must be a coating or finish that can be applied to stop the fluro from fading...

Ducati Pete

2013-08-28 19:58:00 UTC

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smackman

2013-08-29 15:06:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-08-29 16:12:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-08-29 17:38:00 UTC

Obviously it's "fuck-all" is producing more power than our superdukes, but yes, the design is one that revs higher than previous ducati motors.

Grendel

2013-08-30 01:51:00 UTC

Shouldn't you be discussing this topic here:

DribbleDuke

2013-08-30 02:30:00 UTC

It happened. Until this "Found these
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post from

The Klinkenheizer Iwas not the least bit amused with all this El Grande, Supersize me. Duke-ology. That was then and this is now. I could change my vote to the last category.The new bike has now wedged a bit of intrigue into the motorcycling equation. Perhaps like Led Zeppelin " Ten Years Gone" will have me singing a new song. It will take new leaps and bounds in street tyre traction ability to deal with these torque monsters at anything approaching real lean angles. It may be perhaps that the Best bikes are already available, i.e. The SuperDuke as they have the ability to act with better manners than the point and shoot crowds that are now about. That FZ 9 may beat a new 1290 on a tight track, but the new 1290 sure is a gnarly mule.

Stratkat

2013-08-30 12:46:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-08-30 14:27:00 UTC

Not to start a shit storm here but does anyone see a trend?

Lowrance

2013-08-31 03:42:00 UTC

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Linga

2013-08-31 13:44:00 UTC

If no one sees it I will just keep my fingers away from the keyboard so as not to offend some of the, hmm hmm, less intelligent/sensitive types amongst us.

Stratkat

2013-08-31 14:32:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-08-31 16:55:00 UTC

oh im sure Lowrance was directing that at me though i dont know why, but im sure he will elaborate.
Lowrence you have the floor...

ktmguy

2013-08-31 23:35:00 UTC

I love this forum

BassAgent

2013-09-01 01:39:00 UTC

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Linga

2013-09-01 03:56:00 UTC

You're all a bunch of nancys!

BassAgent

2013-09-01 04:51:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-09-01 05:32:00 UTC

I parked my bike for now haha

Decided to take a break because all the heat from the cops lately.

BassAgent

2013-09-01 06:01:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-09-01 06:31:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-09-01 08:24:00 UTC

Im cracking up laughing
I would not use WD on any electrical stuff.
Have you ever seen what it does to circuit boards?
I know your not using it on a board but I remember a fella I used to know
Cleaned his circuit board on his $300 radio control unit and wondered why it didnt work anymore.

ktmguy

2013-09-01 08:26:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-09-01 08:27:00 UTC

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Linga

2013-09-01 09:53:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-09-01 10:46:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-09-01 12:28:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-09-01 14:32:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-09-01 23:32:00 UTC

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fatbob

2013-09-16 13:56:00 UTC

when is this fooking bike coming!!!!!!!!!!!!! think i should have bought the adventure R instead , I could have been riding it

AGRO!

2013-09-16 22:01:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-09-17 03:32:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-09-17 03:36:00 UTC

Don't think it's there marketing stratagy as much as it's their lack of manufacturing sufficient quantities. But from their viewpoint, better to make to few and fuel demand instead of too many and have to discout the price to move product.

In this case though I would assume they are letting the customers do the final developement work for them (as with every other KTM product in recent memory).

fatbob

2013-09-17 06:25:00 UTC

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fuel

2013-09-17 07:22:00 UTC

http://www.1290superduker.com/

Launch date maybe????

Colonel_Klinck

2013-09-17 07:56:00 UTC

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jmann

2013-09-17 09:07:00 UTC

So. Something big is going to happen in 12 years

I know. I know. I know. Just my joke.

jmann

2013-09-17 09:15:00 UTC

It even looks like the Real McCoy:

Registrant:
KTM Sportmotorcycle AG (KTMSPORT05895)
Stallhofnerstrasse 3

Mattighofen, , 5230
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Domain name: 1290superduker.com

Technical contact:
Admin, DNS (DA101770)
T-Systems Austria GesmbH
Rennweg 97-99

Wien, Wien, 1030
AT
[email protected]
+43.570574390 Fax: +43.57057954390

Administrative contact:
Roland, Volker (VR1145036)
KTM Sportmotorcycle AG
Stallhofnerstrasse 3

Mattighofen, 5230
AT
[email protected]
+43.77426000193 Fax: +43.774260005193

Record created: 2013-09-02 10:18:04
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Registrar Name: Ascio Technologies, Inc
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Colonel_Klinck

2013-09-17 09:21:00 UTC

sweet

jmann

2013-09-17 09:48:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-09-17 09:58:00 UTC

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jmann

2013-09-17 11:45:00 UTC

Umm... My screen/timer tells me that something big will be revealed to me at midnight on 1st October. Now assuming that
you guys in the UK are being told the same thing (eg it is using location) then we in Oz will know about 8.5hrs before you. Am I correct in my assumption
regarding the arithmetic on that web page? If I am do not despair - somebody will post the details in real time.

Me? Well I might ignore the hype and be asleep - I've had the money burning a hole for a year or two so a few hours extra won't matter.

Superdan

2013-09-17 13:21:00 UTC

Thank me later.

Vid wont embed for some reason

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Fd8QMctR0

The Gin Reaper

2013-09-17 13:57:00 UTC

Hmmm.... short and sweet!

.... thank you Superdan

Bert

2013-09-17 14:13:00 UTC

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SDNerd

2013-09-17 21:28:00 UTC

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Jim H

2013-09-18 00:02:00 UTC

Innovative BS PR stunt - whatever the intention. I'm making it my mission that 2014 will be a painful year for KTM (including but not limited to) KTM's upper management. You guys get sucked in like a Dyson on steroids. Wake up - reverse psychology at play. KTM don't have the confidence to push such a poorly developed product on the public without their input (just look at the videos + inherent instability & poor apex speed of 1290) to realise that they don't have a clue just so that they can justify an obscene price tag for nothing more than a contemporary Gixxer 7/11. The realists will know what I'm getting at. This is no revolution, it's merely a repeat of mistakes past.

Grendel

2013-09-18 03:55:00 UTC

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soarsore

2013-09-18 05:31:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-09-18 05:41:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-09-18 06:05:00 UTC

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Superdan

2013-09-18 08:23:00 UTC

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shadowman

2013-09-18 10:07:00 UTC

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jjlester_74

2013-09-18 18:46:00 UTC

New spy pics from MILAN
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/v6t0.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/534/vksa.jpg/

Stratkat

2013-09-18 21:44:00 UTC

afraid thats pretty much it, has mirrors, directionals plate hanger, full paint.
i love the thing but that plate hanger will have to go!

Colonel_Klinck

2013-09-18 22:25:00 UTC

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Aphex

2013-09-18 22:40:00 UTC

Really weird how it has a blinker bar between the headlight and the gauge cluster o_O

Stratkat

2013-09-18 23:38:00 UTC

Latest Asphalt and Rubber Posting with teaser video of the new 1290 SDR.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/k ... t+&+Rubber)

Also, checkout www.1290superduker.com

Kinda gets you all fired up!

Lowrance

2013-09-19 00:43:00 UTC

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DribbleDuke

2013-09-19 01:02:00 UTC

License plate hanger is a piece of piss to sort...the real issue lies with that rediculous headlight and guage cluster assembly. That will not be an easy (or cheap) fix.

And all the usual stuff I ramble on about, boat anchor for swingarm, no rising rate linkage, low seat height, etc, etc, etc. Just like I stated back when the first images from the Canary Islands came out...the only thing that impresses me from the photos are the motor and the front brakes. That's it.

ktmguy

2013-09-19 02:55:00 UTC

I remember when the prototype SD was featured on Motorcyclist Magazine back in ott4. I knew that it would be a few years till the US got the bike. I waited in quiet desperation for it to float across the Atlantic. It made it to the Canadian border and got stuck in a frozen great lakes region. There was rumour that you could buy one from a small import shope in Seatle Washington but if it was registered in the US all warranties would be null and void. Like a kid waiting for Christmas to come, I thought that the day to snick one of these beauties into first gear was never going to happen. I have not been able to wrap my excitement around this new launch. These pictures that were last posted Is a slap in the face to the Kiskaesque qualities that made me fall head over oil site tube many moons ago.
If he fell off a wagon on into one or off his medication or onto another prescription, Please call a doctor.
There marketing worked better when the product looked better.

AGRO!

2013-09-19 04:35:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-09-19 07:09:00 UTC

The only bit I like on that bike is the licence plate hanger.

MrZ32

2013-09-19 07:23:00 UTC

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fatbob

2013-09-19 09:46:00 UTC

Wtf!!! I'm away for a Little while and ktm produces something this ugly? After giving something so beautiful with the proto bike.

I'm truly dissapointed... im sure it would be great to ride but really. .. This almost looks as bad as the new tuono.

All that being said with a bit of work it could look great... but that shouldn't be necessary for a new bike.

MrZ32

2013-09-19 09:46:00 UTC

surely its missing a mask

Colonel_Klinck

2013-09-19 09:53:00 UTC

I think it is the mirrors and instrument cluster. .. if they weren't there it would all be good.

AGRO!

2013-09-19 09:56:00 UTC

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ozarkhomie

2013-09-19 12:32:00 UTC

Hey james

Colonel_Klinck

2013-09-19 13:16:00 UTC

Lose the elephant ear mirrors, install a tidy-tail and install some type of small fairing to cover the gap between the headlight and clocks....

Stratkat

2013-09-19 14:18:00 UTC

Just spoke to my dealer and they are expecting bikes beginning of Nov.

41KS

2013-09-19 14:42:00 UTC

wonder who will be the first on here to own one?

Lowrance

2013-09-19 19:01:00 UTC

Pretty sure I'm out....

Exitman

2013-09-19 19:18:00 UTC

I'll put a few quid on Jim H being first to have one.

cdlabate

2013-09-19 19:50:00 UTC

Not I. I love my 2008 SDR and excited by the prospect of constant transformation.

omky756

2013-09-19 20:32:00 UTC

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MADDOG53

2013-09-19 20:58:00 UTC

Another ditto here..
I'm quite content with my S.D.
Still doing my own personalizing and mods
and having plenty of fun doing it and riding it..

ktmguy

2013-09-19 21:12:00 UTC

The 990 SD was and is still ahead of it's time IMO ,,and is more than enough for the street,,,,,,,,,,,,it's a "keeper",,,and I'm telling you all that the KTM hard parts for the SD 990 are slowley drying up,,,and all the "factory" stuff will be worth it's weight in gold a few years down the road,,,,,,,

soarsore

2013-09-19 21:27:00 UTC

I sure hope that spy photo of the new SD is not the final version. I already sold my SDR for the new one and now I might just have to buy an Aprilia Tuono V4 R APRC ABS instead. That thing is ugly!

Lowrance

2013-09-19 21:55:00 UTC

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soarsore

2013-09-19 23:32:00 UTC

So is the spy shot an R with a rear seat or a standard with an orange frame?

AGRO!

2013-09-19 23:41:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-09-20 04:16:00 UTC

Sorry Low, just a question that I don't know the answer too.

fatbob

2013-09-20 08:09:00 UTC

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shadowman

2013-09-20 09:10:00 UTC

I've booked a test ride. I just have to see what that 1290 motor feels like.

Spy84

2013-09-20 10:37:00 UTC

got a adventure R on test for tomorrow
bit deflated by those pics if im honest , gonna try one of those , putting my S1000 up for sale along with my GS

Stratkat

2013-09-20 12:46:00 UTC

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fatbob

2013-09-20 13:02:00 UTC

Like someone said lets look at the glass half full.What I have noticed is all the ugly things on this bike are off in minutes,blinkers one piece with the clocks and the tail hangerand can change the hole package looks wise.Photos don't always do justice so lets wait to see it up close.Im pretty shure as a reward the ride will be awesome!

ozarkhomie

2013-09-20 13:38:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-09-20 14:53:00 UTC

it would be instead of shadowman unfortunately , To be fair my enjoyment comes from the trips out with mates more than on track nowadays , cant afford to fall off my bike anymore either due to medical reasons so i need to minimize the risk.
The GS is a bit marmite I suppose , had it 5 weeks , its great fun but so bloody slow I can't get past it......having to plan overtakes was probably the last straw

Lowrance

2013-09-20 21:45:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-09-20 22:46:00 UTC

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ozarkhomie

2013-09-20 22:56:00 UTC

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Bert

2013-09-20 23:43:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-09-21 11:18:00 UTC

What rubber are you using?[/quote]

CK...got 1247 miles out of a NEW Bridgestone S20. Running Nitrogen at 34psi, GREAT grip...just into the bars a little early it seems.
I understand some of you young blokes getting to the threads early on, but i'm 63 years old!!

fatbob

2013-09-21 16:32:00 UTC

Ended up getting a standard adventure (orange of course) with a akra fitted
Huge bike but what I need and a good laugh as well from the few miles I did , pulls like a tractor

stalker

2013-09-21 16:51:00 UTC

i am still in , but whats the price tag .

Millar

2013-09-21 18:24:00 UTC

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stalker

2013-09-21 20:40:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2013-09-21 20:46:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-09-21 21:43:00 UTC

Hatched a plan in Spain tonight to get a bike on Projex dyno as soon as we can get a demo bike long enough. Race is on for real BHP figures for a 1290.

fatbob

2013-09-22 14:52:00 UTC

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tripoddave

2013-09-23 06:50:00 UTC

one thing i did forget about KTM ownership is the power parts catalogue
just over 13k for a bike and i gotta pay £170 for heated grips
Hope you guys have big pockets

Superdan

2013-09-24 11:57:00 UTC

Well i like it and will sure buy one, not the first year but who knows for 2015? The SD has far more to give so it stays yet for a while..

But one thing that directly struck me when looking at them recent pictures -> it will be a biatch to clean that instrumentcluster from insects

tripoddave

2013-09-24 16:36:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-09-24 16:59:00 UTC

Why dont you just take it for a ride out Dave? Seat of the pants dyno and have some fun instead of seeing BHP figures and all that, the mags will dyno it anyway no doubt.

rocketchick

2013-09-24 17:16:00 UTC

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Linga

2013-09-24 18:57:00 UTC

just an update for those of us in the USA...
i called the nearest dealer (man this is loyalty they are like 200+ miles from me in VA) and they have no delivery dates yet. he said maybe next summer but as of today he has no confirmation that they are even coming here.
he said if and when they become available, they will be on a very limited basis, which is typical of KTM here, at least from my experience!
he does think they will at some point but is being very vague, could not pin him down. i gave him my contact info and told him to call me as soon as he knows anything, so if i hear from him ill update y'all.

Jim H

2013-09-24 20:15:00 UTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zp3uEgD ... ArBdwyBMVQ

AGRO!

2013-09-25 00:23:00 UTC

Did anyone notice the track seemed to be in Australia...?

Davo-Singapore

2013-09-25 00:38:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-09-25 01:16:00 UTC

Jim we at super duke net would like to nominate you for the wooden spoon award

Linga

2013-09-25 01:43:00 UTC

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MrZ32

2013-09-25 02:31:00 UTC

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Jim H

2013-09-25 02:43:00 UTC

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shadowman

2013-09-25 03:01:00 UTC

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MrZ32

2013-09-25 11:31:00 UTC

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tripoddave

2013-09-25 11:52:00 UTC

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MrZ32

2013-09-25 11:54:00 UTC

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shadowman

2013-09-25 12:00:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-09-25 12:20:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-09-25 13:55:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-09-25 14:00:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-09-25 14:15:00 UTC

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Linga

2013-09-25 14:27:00 UTC

It's a 690

Supaduke

2013-09-25 19:12:00 UTC

I'm not sure what track it is, but I'll bet my middle nut that those are gum trees... If I get time I'll try and look at lefty tracks.
Definitely not Victoria.
I know of an Aussie stunt rider who has been handed the reins of the KTM's and I've heard whispers...

AGRO!

2013-09-26 08:35:00 UTC

Hmmmmmm
http://www.moto-station.com/article6403 ... kPtVrzPogz

tripoddave

2013-09-26 12:19:00 UTC

Fit a pair of bar end mirrors, get some smaller clocks and mount them lower and closer to the tank, fit a tail tidy and get an aftermarket exhaust more like the prototype and that will look evil.

Lowrance

2013-09-26 13:00:00 UTC

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cdlabate

2013-09-26 13:22:00 UTC

Maybe the clocks double up as a gps? Cell phone, Ps4, xbox1?
Just saying

Colonel_Klinck

2013-09-26 14:21:00 UTC

Jeez! I couldn't care less about the clocks or a stupid chin spoiler.
These things are just minor details.
I didn't even care one way or another about the original SD's looks.
What's important is the way it rides.
They have stuck a 1300cc V-twin in an updated SD chassis and it's rumoured to make 180bhp ffs and it's bound to be torquey. Totally barking hatstand.
plus, it's pretty much what we asked for: certainly it's exactly what I wanted.
Chances are I'm going to test ride this bike and immediately put my money down and order the full Akra system all in one go.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-09-26 15:34:00 UTC

I'll buy a low mileage 2nd hand one in a couple of years for half the price when plenty of after market parts are out. I'm more than happy with mine for now.

fatbob

2013-09-26 17:14:00 UTC

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Aphex

2013-09-26 17:30:00 UTC

Definetly not overly enthused about the 1290 as I was the 990. Maybe I just need to sit on it, maybe even take it for a test ride...

fatbob

2013-09-26 20:49:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2013-09-26 20:57:00 UTC

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shadowman

2013-09-27 15:57:00 UTC

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cdlabate

2013-09-28 04:47:00 UTC

Fat bob;

Please provide a full detailed report of the adventure. Thank you.

AGRO!

2013-09-28 06:20:00 UTC

The muffler doubles up as a garbage bin

fatbob

2013-09-28 07:00:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-09-30 00:56:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-09-30 08:16:00 UTC

Well, this is the reason I've joined the forum.
On paper it looks to be exactly what I'm after. A V-Twin that offers a significant upgrade from my ageing '97 Suzuki TL1000S in every way I care about.
A focus on light weight, tractable low end grunt and real world ergonomics, yet without sacrificing outright performance or settling for a budget minded, parts bin special. Not to mention incorporating the latest safety gizmos.
Form follows function for me, but the aesthetics aren't too shabby either. It certainly has character, both mechanically and from the staunch, angular stance.
I'd prefer a murdered out version (all black), it looks a bit like they've used the clocks as a substitute for a windscreen and whoever designed the exhaust probably gets some sort of kickback from Akrapovic for guaranteed sales.
All minor quibbles though, so I'm just waiting on tomorrows launch, some ride reports and a locally available test ride.

fatbob

2013-09-30 08:22:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-09-30 08:33:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-09-30 08:35:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-09-30 23:48:00 UTC

who thinks its might have the new bosch stability control system on it? i'm thinking it might but i really hope you can switch all the fun police things off!

11 minutes to go on my clock..

SuperHoon

2013-09-30 23:57:00 UTC

14 hrs here... AUUUURRRGGGGGGGGG!

SuperHoon

2013-10-01 00:03:00 UTC

1,301cc
180hp at 8,870rpm
144nm torque, 100nm from 2500rpm!
189kg without fuel
18l fuel tank
0 to 200km/h in 7.2 seconds

WANT WANT WANT

BassAgent

2013-10-01 00:39:00 UTC

Stratkat

2013-10-01 00:46:00 UTC

im selling shit just to buy that

jmann

2013-10-01 00:48:00 UTC

I had a feeling that instrument cluster was final!

Ruprecht

2013-10-01 00:53:00 UTC

With Traction Control ...

Blackduke77

2013-10-01 00:55:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-10-01 01:26:00 UTC

I'll have one in black please. Front end is ugly as f*ck but you know it will be a blast to ride. Ktm take my money now!

Lowrance

2013-10-01 01:30:00 UTC

Anybody in the market for a 2008? I need to free up some cash.

SuperHoon

2013-10-01 01:32:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-10-01 02:28:00 UTC

Looks like fork compression and rebound adjusters are on top of the forks...comp on one and reb on the other.

Looks a little better in that 360 degree view then previous sneak peaks.

Thanks for posting up this link Hoon!

Ruprecht

2013-10-01 03:11:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-10-01 03:55:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-01 04:08:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-10-01 04:27:00 UTC

Aarron, start working on a new Motobox please...

Lowrance

2013-10-01 04:33:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-10-01 04:40:00 UTC

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AndersH

2013-10-01 05:18:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-10-01 05:26:00 UTC

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jjlester_74

2013-10-01 07:44:00 UTC

15MINUTS AT NEW
1290 SUPERDUKE
WWW.1290SUPERDUKER.COM

Bert

2013-10-01 08:17:00 UTC

41KS

2013-10-01 08:56:00 UTC

Haa

Ruprecht

2013-10-01 09:40:00 UTC

gringo

2013-10-01 10:11:00 UTC

nice and all but its so different from the concept. I remember when I first saw the old Superduke on the road, I thought I was going mad. The wow factor was just immense then the ride was even better. Who wants to take home an average looking girl before he discovers she is great in bed, I'd rather take home the hottie that's also great in bed so I wont mind going grabbing breakfast with her the next morning. KTM you had us all at wow with the concept, why stray soo far from it? i can wait much longer before I get rid of my current SDR. You are not getting my money now, I'll wait and grab a used one then mod it. That cluster what the fook, you actually released the bike like that? What ever happened to the thread, "tell KTM what you want." Sometimes I wonder what the point is

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-01 10:43:00 UTC

I feel the opposite. I'm actually surprised by how faithful it stayed to the concept. Compared to other concept bikes that became production models, such as Suzuki's B-King or Honda and the VFR1200.
The headlight is closer to the concept version than I expected, I knew it couldn't keep those forks and that they'd have to add indicators and mirrors.
I'd actually prefer that the exhaust we saw on the concept bike was an aftermarket Akrapovic option and not the inevitably strangled standard pipes.
The instrument cluster does look a little aesthetically challenged, but the more images I see the better it looks.
Most of all though, they haven't compromised on the engine and that's the essential heart of the beast.

MrZ32

2013-10-01 11:59:00 UTC

i like it lots and it must be a good ride looking at the way it is, i am already finding out the price and the dealer expects delivery of an orange one in november.

just have to shift my big ass VFR and treat the wife, two years with the sd990 two yerars with the rc8 then bought the smr for something different but get fed up of the tank range, great bike tho, then after 8 months had a stupid mid life moment and swapped her for a vfr 1200f good bike but not my thing or many others it seems as had it for sale for few months in spain and not many takers...........

No. 47

2013-10-01 13:05:00 UTC

Doesn't look as bad as the leaked pics. Still not happy with clocks though. I do wonder what the 12 specials are about? What are we going to see there?

SuperHoon

2013-10-01 13:17:00 UTC

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Blackduke77

2013-10-01 13:25:00 UTC

Just needs what most of us have done to current SDR.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-01 13:53:00 UTC

i wonder if we'll be able to hook tune ecu up to it and just play around, disable the secondary butterflies and swap the airbox out and get that extra few hp that it obviously needs..

no mention of a factory quickshifter though

edit - its funny, so many people i've seen think the bike is heavy because of the 189kg. but thats full of fluids minus fuel. apparently the tuono is 205kg with all fluids minus fuel.

15kg is substantially lighter. im not sure what they were expecting. the weight of a street triple?

jambox

2013-10-01 13:56:00 UTC

Well after finally getting on to the ktm site, it nice to see that all the nanny controls are switchable. To be able to deactivate both abs and traction control is awesome. It says it fits all riders. Does this mean they brought the adjust-ability of the RC8 onto the Superduke? If so thats great. Cant wait to see this ugly freaky step child in person.

SDNerd

2013-10-01 14:59:00 UTC

Well doesn't look like the new Z1000 is going to be troubling KTM.. again. 2014 shoot out between Aprilia, BMW, Ducati and Triumph if they update their bikes.

Aphex

2013-10-01 16:44:00 UTC

The pics with the rider on board make the clocks not as standout-ish imo, so I think it'll be an alright in the "flesh" kind of bike.

Ruprecht

2013-10-01 21:36:00 UTC

It's funny how similar the Z1000 "Call of The Wild" promotion is to KTM's release of the SD1290.

Remind you of anything?

If that pic Klinck posted above has it right, it looks like the instrument cluster design was nabbed straight from the MV Agusta Brutale.
Which isn't a bad thing... nice looking bikes.

All beside the point for me though, because it's all about the engine.
I don't think there's any manufacturer other than KTM doing a high-tech V-Twin, with low end grunt and open class horsepower.

CEREC1

2013-10-01 21:37:00 UTC

So is there a non R version? Not sure that's at all clear now

Ducati Pete

2013-10-01 21:47:00 UTC

My GOD those torque figures!

Just as well it has TC - that's gonna be a handfull on the side of the tyre.

Millar

2013-10-01 21:47:00 UTC

I would hazard a guess no, there's only RC8r's now no standard version.

I reckon with bit of inventive model making a small fairing could be built to integrate the clocks. Who's gonna bring one to my workshop for me to play with...I mean measure up!

stalker

2013-10-01 21:48:00 UTC

im in

Ducati Pete

2013-10-01 21:50:00 UTC

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prikkie

2013-10-01 21:50:00 UTC

Beware. Porn pictures

Lowrance

2013-10-01 22:16:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-01 22:39:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-01 22:49:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-01 23:13:00 UTC

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Blackduke77

2013-10-01 23:52:00 UTC

How much do you think that akro system is going to be? Doesn't look like it gets rid of a whole bunch of mass down there but we'll see. I think the black look way better than the orange one, but that's just personal preference.

SDNerd

2013-10-02 00:05:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-10-02 00:41:00 UTC

Im just buying the head light Its cheaper than getting a new bike

wacky_woodchuck

2013-10-02 00:43:00 UTC

I'll take the black one with the white tail plastic, please.

My '08 seems..inadequate now.

Stratkat

2013-10-02 01:12:00 UTC

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2013-10-02 01:14:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-02 01:24:00 UTC

Is the pic of the black one a photoshop? I can't find it anywhere else.
Regardless, they should definitely release one in a similar colour scheme for those of us that aren't big on gaudy graphics or colours.

Lowrance

2013-10-02 01:37:00 UTC

Anyone notice that all of those photos are Photoshoped?

DAMN you Prikkie.....

Good one.

Stratkat

2013-10-02 01:46:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-02 03:22:00 UTC

This may have already been pointed out but that 7.2 second 0-200KPH time they have thrown out there is faster than both the Hayabusa and S1000RR.....at least according to Google search.

Lowrance

2013-10-02 04:06:00 UTC

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2013-10-02 04:32:00 UTC

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2013-10-02 06:45:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-10-02 10:13:00 UTC

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shadowman

2013-10-02 10:18:00 UTC

Well after a couple of days, this is what has occured to me.

I think it's remarkably close to the concept bike. All the ugly dangly bits will be easy to remove / replace and the basic shape is good.

The clocks do look a bit like an after thought but really who cares? It's the best looking of the super naked bikes I have seen.

Black suits it.

Lighter and allegedly more powerful than a 2homo - encouraging.

The motor - this is obviously the star of the show. How much over claiming do KTM go in for? It will be interesting to see what the real output figures are once it gets into the real world.

I may well get one in a couple of years time once the bugs are fixed, somebody else has put an absurdly expensive exhaust on it and done the tail tidy etc.

Will there be a flood of used SD / SDR's hitting the market over the next few months as people swap the old for the new and what will that do for second hand values?

Looks like a little fun bundle to me. Can't wait to jump on one and have a blast

41KS

2013-10-02 13:04:00 UTC

Seen some of the comments here in doubt or a bit negative against the new model, hmmm...

1301cc high perfomance V-twin, packed with pretty much the best motorcycle industry components in light & agile streetfighter frame. It perform in par with S1000RR or Hayabusa, corner handling and handling overall until speeds of 200kph will be superb and better than these two (they built 990SD, remember how it handles?) - V-twin sound is right. All these new electronics to play with, on less than ideal road surfaces or driver skills... And possibility switch them off for maximum fear & adrenaline rush

PS. I was tempted to buy MV Agusta Brutale 989R as a second bike besides SD for few days. Then again it may well be one bike in garage. I am not rushing to buy 1290 new one but keep my eye on it and sure it is on top of my wish list.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-02 13:14:00 UTC

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2013-10-02 13:39:00 UTC

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2013-10-02 13:40:00 UTC

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smackman

2013-10-02 14:41:00 UTC

I actually like this new Sd beast Any info on Price for this monster ?

shadowman

2013-10-02 14:48:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-02 15:00:00 UTC

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smackman

2013-10-02 15:08:00 UTC

Wtf same as 1199 Adventure then

shadowman

2013-10-02 16:48:00 UTC

Multistrada curently holds the Pikes Peak record.

Wonder if this would be the tool to take it for KTM.

If you havent seen it yet...

Worth a watch

fatbob

2013-10-02 18:43:00 UTC

Well I think that looks proper nice , even in black , paint the wheels and you're not far from the concept , anyone expecting gas shocks like on the proto was dreaming really I think
And that's with no fooking extras at all !

No. 47

2013-10-02 19:02:00 UTC

I'm guessing more like £17-18k with Akras and alarm only - my 996S with black paint and alarm cost £13.5-15k from memory back in 2001, though, so maybe not such a bad deal?

Ducati Pete

2013-10-02 20:14:00 UTC

With that new engine you won't need to add a zorst.

Just get a new map to get rid of the emissions flatspot.

No. 47

2013-10-02 20:36:00 UTC

Won't be able to live with the OE exhaust.

CEREC1

2013-10-02 21:13:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-02 21:38:00 UTC

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Millar

2013-10-02 23:42:00 UTC

Special #2 unfortunately not a bike option but a new vid....does make me want one though! The front doesn't even look that bad in action....

Stratkat

2013-10-02 23:54:00 UTC

dudes im telling you, this is the full Akro system right here, look at it, springs and everything,
look at the welds, then compare it to the stock system...

Stratkat

2013-10-03 00:02:00 UTC

I think that is the street legal Akra kit. New california emissions compliant version. I bet they will have a track only GP style kit as well, which will remove the boat anchor catalytic converter that is nicely concealed at the bottom; plus, include upgraded headers that allow the hookup of two pipes instead of just one like in the prototype.

No. 47

2013-10-03 01:12:00 UTC

Cans are down right fooking ugly. I hope FMF make a sweet diamond cut side mount for this.

Superdan

2013-10-03 06:52:00 UTC

OK its growing on me.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-03 07:43:00 UTC

I'm sure I read somewhere that the Prototype Akra system made well over 120db. I just can't see them making that an option. Would like to see a nice belly pan for it though.

CEREC1

2013-10-03 07:44:00 UTC

I guess no belly pan as std means the battery is in a sensible place on the 1290

SuperHoon

2013-10-03 08:08:00 UTC

i'm sold on the look now, just ditch the mirrors and numberplate and i'd be happy!

scamb66

2013-10-03 08:15:00 UTC

Be ordering one of those fast black ones. I like it.

scamb66

2013-10-03 08:19:00 UTC

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jmann

2013-10-03 08:32:00 UTC

Yah know if I was a marketing man I'd insist that the company sell this bike in various guises. Indeed, via Powerparts I'd make it available with a street legal Akro system as well as a full blown Akro race system. But I wouldn't stop there I'd make it available with bodywork and other parts to replace the RC8 as a non-naked OR with parts to race in a battle category. I wonder how adjustable this bike really is.

In my marketing strategy i'd release each of the guises, one month apart, just as teasers until the bike and the options are FINALLY READY FOR PRODUCTION!!!

One never knows, Kiska could be furiously working right now to design a screen, to protect that speedo Etc.

Stay tuned if you can bear the suspense for Special #1, ... Special #10 snore... snore... snore...

fatbob

2013-10-03 12:56:00 UTC

hey you fookers , dont be dissing my big ass Akra can , its almost 6 kilos lighter than stock
Having a look again today cos the bikes just so nice looking

DribbleDuke

2013-10-04 00:01:00 UTC

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scamb66

2013-10-04 01:54:00 UTC

Hey officer, I was riding on feel.

SuperHoon

2013-10-04 02:36:00 UTC

Anyone know what size rear tyre is on the 1290? It looks like at least a 200.

41KS

2013-10-04 03:51:00 UTC

First time poster.. I'm in love with the 1290, I think it's a work of art. Just to show you how similar the concept is to the production model have a look at this GIF I made:

All I did was remove the mirrors from the production image and changed the angle to match the concept.

Here's the bike with fender removed, mirrors removed and that's it:

Horniest thing second to your mumma.. Anybody complaining that the production model is too far removed from the concept can now kindly STFU

stalker

2013-10-04 05:18:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-04 05:45:00 UTC

Here's a slower one:

bic_bicknell

2013-10-04 08:00:00 UTC

thanks for those ones, looks so much nicer without a fender and mirrors!

Ducati Pete

2013-10-04 09:10:00 UTC

So which one of you lot are going to write one of these off and provide me with my next track bike? Cmon brits

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-04 09:34:00 UTC

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blb

2013-10-04 09:52:00 UTC

This is the most wicked bike ever seen on earth

Ducati Pete

2013-10-04 10:15:00 UTC

CEREC1

2013-10-04 14:29:00 UTC

Front wheel fender is still too big and also its on an angle so it looks good. The rear-end should have been higher up Like the RC8 to level up with the top point of the tank. We need a single seater

shadowman

2013-10-04 14:57:00 UTC

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blb

2013-10-04 15:35:00 UTC

How about a new poll to see what people think now that they can see the real thing?

Might be interesting to see how the results compare to what people said after first seeing the prototype.

Perhaps worth waiting for the price to be published....

wizzzard

2013-10-04 15:39:00 UTC

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2013-10-04 15:57:00 UTC

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2013-10-04 16:52:00 UTC

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2013-10-04 17:58:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-05 01:23:00 UTC

I think the bike needs a belly pan. I may be in the minority on that though.

CEREC1

2013-10-05 02:59:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-05 07:23:00 UTC

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fuel

2013-10-05 12:06:00 UTC

WTF is "The Bosch MSC"

I have no requirement for a hammer action drill, a multi speed food processor, or a washing machine with eco cycles.

Ducati Pete

2013-10-05 12:25:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-05 12:54:00 UTC

We used to call that "rider skill."

Ruprecht

2013-10-05 13:08:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-05 13:26:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-05 13:39:00 UTC

I can see the Bosch stuff being good in the wet but leave me in charge in the dry thanks.

Ducati Pete

2013-10-05 16:48:00 UTC

That MSC shite may take the Adventure off my short list.

Ducati Pete

2013-10-05 17:06:00 UTC

I'm not 100% rider aids, although a part of me does feel like it's cheating.

That said, if the torque figures are true, a bit of TC will be most welcome.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-05 17:06:00 UTC

I'm not 100% rider aids, although a part of me does feel like it's cheating.

That said, if the torque figures are true, a bit of TC will be most welcome.

No. 47

2013-10-05 17:37:00 UTC

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41KS

2013-10-05 18:42:00 UTC

Been told that for the UK, it's only twenty five bikes, one bike per dealer, 'til February '14 at the earliest.

Ducati Pete

2013-10-05 21:13:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-05 21:28:00 UTC

May main concern is widespread use of TC on track makes it even harder to turn up with a less powerful bike and stay ahead of the big capacity superbikes.

It's easier to get a fast exit from a corner on a less powerfull bike.
With TC that advantage is gone.

MADDOG53

2013-10-05 21:35:00 UTC

I don't mind a little traction control that can be turned off...ABS as well. But when you start talking about a computer that takes control out of my hands, that gets a little sketchy. Might be fine for the average rider that does not push their bikes to the extreem (will probably save a few as well). When you push your bike and expect it to do the same exact thing over and over again, the one time it doesn't could get ugly.

You saw what happened to Danny at Aragon. Lose a sensor (knocked off, dirty, malfunction...whatever) end up on your head.

smackman

2013-10-05 22:51:00 UTC

Traction Control is a good thing on a bike like this ....without it its to dangerus for the most riders who actually is average on this bike .

Think like this with theese rider aids you can costumize the bike for your skill and uppgrade after progress , now is not that a nice feature or what !

Only thing missing is quickshifter ...

Superdan

2013-10-05 22:55:00 UTC

Maddog you should know better................

Ruprecht

2013-10-05 23:03:00 UTC

Interesting than MCN says it has the Bosch MSC system. Wonder if that's confirmed or just an assumption?

Lowrance

2013-10-06 01:01:00 UTC

We're not talking about just traction control or ABS....MSC is a whole new ballgame. It uses software from some software weenie to control the bike when it determines you are out of control. Who knows what that means?

I'm a system engineer, we integrate software and hardware everyday and I've seen how tempermental these systems can be. When they get hosed we cycle the on/off switch. Not an option on a bike.

If it allows you to customize the settings and retain them if the ignition switch is cycled no worries. If it resets itself each time bike is fired up it will quickly become a total pain in the ass.

Ruprecht

2013-10-06 01:33:00 UTC

To be honest, I'd actually assumed the existing integrated versions of abs and traction control (and semi-active suspension) already measured pitch, lean angle etc, and would prevent low siding under emergency braking conditions (ie grabbing a handful and trying to manoeuvre, especially in the wet),

AGRO!

2013-10-06 02:19:00 UTC

What! Still no cure for aids

soarsore

2013-10-06 03:07:00 UTC

I am sure the sd will be a genuine 180 hp at the crank compare this to another naked bike released in the last couple of years which claims 160 but after meeting on track would be lucky to pump out 140hp.

Ruprecht

2013-10-06 04:00:00 UTC

Does anyone know how fast a current well sorted SD or SD-R gets to 200/124?

41KS

2013-10-06 05:34:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-06 06:27:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-10-06 08:06:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-06 08:16:00 UTC

looking at those pics, not so keen on it, though the power would be good. need to lose can and tail, but still some things now gone wrong with the looks

MADDOG53

2013-10-06 08:23:00 UTC

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SDNerd

2013-10-06 09:57:00 UTC

I think with a decent can, bar end mirrors, bellypan, anodised reservoirs and tail tidy it it will look nearly as good as the prototype. If anyone fancies doing all that and putting about 5K miles on it I'll buy it in a couple of years for half the price

Bert

2013-10-06 10:19:00 UTC

If anyone fancies doing all that and putting about 5K miles on it I'll buy it in a couple of years for half the price [/quote]

That makes two of us then. LOL

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-06 10:23:00 UTC

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MADDOG53

2013-10-06 20:11:00 UTC

And one all the girls are waitin for,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... oll-naked/

Lowrance

2013-10-07 02:39:00 UTC

How bout a little help from our Aussie and Kiwi bretheren....

What does Special #3 have to tell us???

Ruprecht

2013-10-07 02:46:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-10-07 02:51:00 UTC

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No. 47

2013-10-07 06:24:00 UTC

Count down is GMT or local time, GMT+1.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-07 08:18:00 UTC

Seems it's been moved to 11am GMT. Someone must have fooked up as whatever it is it clearly wasn't ready for midnight.

Ruprecht

2013-10-07 08:54:00 UTC

It's there now. Another 360, Action/Studio Pics and Wallpaper. This time with the Black/Orange paint scheme.
Although the wallpaper links are broken at the moment (I seem to remember that happened with Special No.1 as well).

stalker

2013-10-07 08:55:00 UTC

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2013-10-07 08:56:00 UTC

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2013-10-07 08:57:00 UTC

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2013-10-07 08:57:00 UTC

No. 47

2013-10-07 09:30:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-07 11:07:00 UTC

Pity KTM is so stuck on orange.

jjlester_74

2013-10-07 12:25:00 UTC

Don't like black MISSILE

Lowrance

2013-10-07 13:52:00 UTC

Why have KTM not put a toe guard on that overweight boat anchor of a swingingarm? For shame!

Doesn't even look as if there will be an easy way to do it.

Aphex

2013-10-07 14:03:00 UTC

I wonder who will be the first rich guy to bin one of these goin round the Snake in Malibu. I'm sure it'll be on youtube.

tripoddave

2013-10-07 17:06:00 UTC

A black one or an orange one.
Decisions. Decisions.

prikkie

2013-10-07 20:50:00 UTC

Did a litlle photoshop with paint. Replaced the exhaust. You like ?

SDNerd

2013-10-07 20:59:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-07 21:36:00 UTC

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bic_bicknell

2013-10-07 21:44:00 UTC

Prikkie. It looks like it's been crashed and slid down the road a bit! Change the angle of the silencer a bit - it would be rubbing on the back wheel.

prikkie

2013-10-07 21:58:00 UTC

Including Fly Screen

prikkie

2013-10-07 22:13:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-10-07 23:24:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-08 01:19:00 UTC

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scamb66

2013-10-08 01:21:00 UTC

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tripoddave

2013-10-08 01:32:00 UTC

They're all R models now.

scamb66

2013-10-08 06:03:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-08 08:17:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-08 08:49:00 UTC

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No. 47

2013-10-08 09:27:00 UTC

Wonder what an 07+ headlight conversion would look like, who cares i am sure the race mask will look fine.

CEREC1

2013-10-08 09:49:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-08 11:18:00 UTC

The "Regular" SDs always go faster 'round a track than the R models anyways.

I never reaslised why before, but I think the "R" riders are tired out after Wanking off over their orange frames.

Ducati Pete

2013-10-08 12:41:00 UTC

Who said that?

Lowrance

2013-10-08 12:44:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-08 12:56:00 UTC

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waltsacura

2013-10-08 13:04:00 UTC

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Superdan

2013-10-08 13:38:00 UTC

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waltsacura

2013-10-08 13:41:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-08 13:54:00 UTC

Maybe an odd question... but is the tank plastic or metal? aluminium?

Ethanol in our US fuel is warping tanks and causing issues with my current bikes, so before I place my order...

prikkie

2013-10-08 14:03:00 UTC

KTM only do acerbis plastic tanks, doubt it will be metal.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-08 14:07:00 UTC

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Exitman

2013-10-08 14:12:00 UTC

Looks like they've added some more action pics to "Special #3" after the first lot.
I wonder how tall the rider is, because the 1290 SD sure looks small in those pics.

Ruprecht

2013-10-08 22:05:00 UTC

SDR 1290 with 990 front

shadowman

2013-10-09 03:34:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-09 08:59:00 UTC

I wonder if the new clocks / display could be made to fit into a 990 mask?

Probably more trouble than its worth but I do prefer the look with the 990 face to the new face.

41KS

2013-10-09 09:03:00 UTC

Special #4. I see a pattern.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-09 09:28:00 UTC

MCN First Rides:

Superdan

2013-10-09 09:36:00 UTC

They really are reeling us in aren't they! My god it's working too!

CEREC1

2013-10-09 11:17:00 UTC

Fooking internet in North Yorkshire is shite, want to watch these vids!

Superdan

2013-10-09 11:23:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2013-10-09 11:29:00 UTC

Will wait for someone to bin one

Exitman

2013-10-09 12:07:00 UTC

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fatbob

2013-10-09 12:10:00 UTC

Wish I could justify the expense

Superdan

2013-10-09 12:40:00 UTC

how can you not justify it.....treat yourself

stalker

2013-10-09 12:44:00 UTC

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fatbob

2013-10-09 13:19:00 UTC

wacky_woodchuck

2013-10-09 13:50:00 UTC

how far do you reckon you will get on 18 litres then fellas....
My adventures computer says I get 350 miles on a 23 litre tank , this is more like 250 miles going off my milage for an 1190.
This makes me wonder whether a spirited ride would see 80 miles!!!!!
Everyone has a we have to keep stopping for fuel for the SD story FFS

prikkie

2013-10-09 15:04:00 UTC

Found these floating around the web.

In the top two I see plenty of power parts. I'm not keen on the slip-on exhaust in the last pic and even the "full" Akra has me a little baffled on it appearance.

Ruprecht

2013-10-09 15:09:00 UTC

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waltsacura

2013-10-09 15:33:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-09 15:42:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-10-09 15:50:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-10-09 16:08:00 UTC

anyone notice that the top image is a single seat?

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-09 16:26:00 UTC

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Exitman

2013-10-09 16:55:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2013-10-09 17:01:00 UTC

That akro slip on looks rubbish. Surely they could have done a better job than offer up something off the shelf?

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-09 18:35:00 UTC

Just spoken to my dealer in Bristol. 3 bikes due in December. 2 pre-sold. One up for grabs in Orange at the mo.
Second batch expected February 2014.
Interestingly apparently a non R version is expected middle of 2014.
Can't imagine why you would want a non R version.
Also dealer has no plans to run a demo until all advanced orders have been met. Makes sense I guess.

Superdan

2013-10-09 19:38:00 UTC

Looking forward to seeing the hardparts touring windscreen

stalker

2013-10-09 19:42:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2013-10-09 19:57:00 UTC

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stalker

2013-10-09 19:58:00 UTC

yeah , but my local dealer will rip the piss out of me if i just sign up with no actual figure down on paper

Lowrance

2013-10-09 20:00:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2013-10-09 20:29:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-10-09 21:32:00 UTC

I'll be giving out a lot of BJs to buy this, but buy it I shall

fuel

2013-10-09 22:14:00 UTC

The pillion seat will be removable and they'll charge you £300 for a seat cowl

MADDOG53

2013-10-09 22:32:00 UTC

Next http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H7Xb7ThlJI

Willh

2013-10-09 22:56:00 UTC

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soarsore

2013-10-09 23:24:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-10-09 23:50:00 UTC

I pretty much got dibs on one already at a local dealer

EDIT: I mean i got one reserved, 1st dibs too

Lowrance

2013-10-10 00:03:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-10-10 00:05:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-10 02:10:00 UTC

Any of you Brits subscribe to MCN?

scamb66

2013-10-10 08:45:00 UTC

Stuff the expense I'm getting one. Probably my only chance to get a new bike so sod the cost. Hope delivery to Oz is better than the 390, the wife has had one on order since February and still have to wait till the end of November.

ktmguy

2013-10-10 08:57:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-10 10:15:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-10 10:16:00 UTC

The wonderfull chaps at Hyside M/Cs are once again agents of the Orange Empire.

They will be having a 1290SD demo.

I have booked it - for July and September!

Lowrance

2013-10-10 11:38:00 UTC

I was resisting quite well until I saw the black model. At this point resistance appeared futile so a deposit has been left with Drysdales for a black one. Should be arriving in December. SWMBO is insisting one of my KTMs has to go so either the SDR or the SD are going to be coming on the market

scamb66

2013-10-10 12:25:00 UTC

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enigma990

2013-10-10 12:30:00 UTC

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enigma990

2013-10-10 16:12:00 UTC

Interesting 7 page article in MCN, some future points from Stefan Pierer, will still be looking to fill in gaps between 690-1290, so may be a 890 or revamp 990 on the horizon. Looking to release an RR model of 1290 and an SDT, which makes sense with a 1300 lump. No MSC on this forth coming 1290 as wasn't enough time for programming a unit alongside the Adventure but I suspect will appear on the RR and later 1290, poss retrofit to earlier model. All in all looking good

enigma990

2013-10-10 16:18:00 UTC

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2013-10-10 16:23:00 UTC

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2013-10-10 16:41:00 UTC

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enigma990

2013-10-10 17:16:00 UTC

That's what you get for living in a sunnier part of the world

BassAgent

2013-10-10 18:04:00 UTC

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2013-10-10 19:22:00 UTC

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No. 47

2013-10-10 20:03:00 UTC

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2013-10-10 21:05:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-10-10 21:35:00 UTC

You paying for me?

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2013-10-10 22:47:00 UTC

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2013-10-10 23:37:00 UTC

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2013-10-11 02:00:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-10-11 02:14:00 UTC

I've got a $500 deposit down at a NSW dealership. So far no more details have been released to me.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-11 04:07:00 UTC

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scamb66

2013-10-11 11:25:00 UTC

*Approaching limit on Photobucket so here is Dropbox link to pages

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/866 ... R_1290.zip

bic_bicknell

2013-10-11 13:17:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-11 13:24:00 UTC

Just read the full report in MCN. Lots of power and torque and superlatives blah, blah, blah.

Sounds good. But the best thing I read was that they have changed to design so you can read the oil level without removing a load of bodywork and can be done with the bike on it's side stand. Hurray. I might get one just because of this much needed improvement!

Lowrance

2013-10-11 13:44:00 UTC

I was actually joking about them using the clocks instead of a windscreen, but according to that article, they really have!

Edit: Cheers for posting that by the way. AMCN isn't much chop for the latest on Euro releases.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-11 14:08:00 UTC

Klinck....can you provide us a link to the story....kind of hard to read embedded.

Thanks.

prikkie

2013-10-11 14:51:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-10-11 15:32:00 UTC

What will the RR version look like then ?????????

Lowrance

2013-10-11 15:39:00 UTC

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2013-10-11 17:25:00 UTC

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enigma990

2013-10-11 18:19:00 UTC

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prikkie

2013-10-11 19:54:00 UTC

Maybe different front and rear suspension also
and Forged rims

scamb66

2013-10-11 21:13:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-10-11 21:14:00 UTC

Waaait there's gonna be a superduke RR????

Crotchrockety

2013-10-11 23:28:00 UTC

I haven't looked at this whole thread, but I found this elsewhere so . . ..

prikkie

2013-10-12 08:30:00 UTC

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2013-10-12 09:51:00 UTC

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2013-10-12 09:54:00 UTC

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2013-10-12 10:01:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-12 10:45:00 UTC

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/866 ... R_1290.zip

prikkie

2013-10-12 12:17:00 UTC

What about this ?

MrZ32

2013-10-12 12:57:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-12 13:17:00 UTC

Ground clearance could be an issue though guys.

prikkie

2013-10-12 13:59:00 UTC

This system is from a RC8R. Enige is the same exept a bigger bore. Ground clearance between an RC8R and the 1290 SDR should be almost the same I assume so this could be possible. If Akrapovic will make an other system, I think I will go for this option and adapt it to mount it on the 1290 SDR. A second hand RC8 akra exhaust is also cheaper than a new one.

enigma990

2013-10-12 14:35:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2013-10-12 16:35:00 UTC

Anybody know if the rear shock has a linkage or is it the same as the current SD

Lowrance

2013-10-12 17:34:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-12 17:37:00 UTC

Thanks for posting up the MCN article Klinck!

Good read. Looking forward to reading the official launch report.

Ducati Pete

2013-10-12 19:00:00 UTC

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2013-10-12 19:04:00 UTC

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omky756

2013-10-12 19:14:00 UTC

It's definitely growing on me...
Looking a lot cleaner than the
the first prototype..
Do I need..that much bike though.???
and as I've said..I'm not done yet
trickin` up my 990..
An RR model would be insain for me..

BassAgent

2013-10-12 19:26:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-10-12 21:53:00 UTC

Should scrape well on speed humps

Exitman

2013-10-13 03:56:00 UTC

thought i'd do a quick overlay of both bikes 990R v 1290R. It's a little off the mark but close enough to see how similar the two bikes are. Almost identical geometry, lower seat height, slightly stubbier tail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W34PPSbY ... e=youtu.be

fatbob

2013-10-13 08:52:00 UTC

Apparently 140nm is about 104ftlb ?....
My ignorance almost caught me out there
I thought it was an astronomical number

prikkie

2013-10-13 09:06:00 UTC

Make it 144Nm and with an fully Akra mounted it will be maybe 150 Nm and 185-190 Bhp !

MrZ32

2013-10-13 11:18:00 UTC

I think you will find that it is the spread of torque that is truly impressive. To be fair though 144nm is a fair bit... Over 20 more than some of the most highly tuned 990's

enigma990

2013-10-13 13:57:00 UTC

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Blackduke77

2013-10-13 17:07:00 UTC

Will we even see the RR before 2015 model year? I was never a fan of the styling of this bike when I saw the pre production photos but since it's been unveiled I'm all in on it. It's too bad none of the dealers know anything about it. This site has gotten more info than they have. Thanks to all that contribute. Best bunch of guys ever.

MrZ32

2013-10-13 21:09:00 UTC

The only downside about the bike is how crap a quality the ktm dealer networks are. Their machines have always been great but they need to seriously train the people who deal with the customers. It has always been their downfall, particularly in their road bikes.

ktmguy

2013-10-13 22:20:00 UTC

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tripoddave

2013-10-13 22:54:00 UTC

I can't find any reference to an 'RR' version of the 1290 anywhere?

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2013-10-13 22:57:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-10-14 01:12:00 UTC

What's the point of the damn countdown on the website if it just tops at 0 and nothing happens! @#$

Ruprecht

2013-10-14 01:47:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-14 03:55:00 UTC

I wonder if they even realise their countdown timer goes by the date and time on the local pc? A bit of recycled code no doubt.
The actual specials seem to be updated manually (judging by the downtime and image linking).
Couldn't see an email for the website manager on the site. Kiska designed the site apparently, so I assumed it's handled by them and sent an email anyway (as a professional courtesy, not from frustration ).

Ruprecht

2013-10-14 07:24:00 UTC

2hrs 36mins to go here.

Bert

2013-10-14 09:00:00 UTC

Hah! It's a whole special of "unmentionables".

Seems to be sticking to the pattern too.

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2013-10-14 09:23:00 UTC

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Superdan

2013-10-14 10:31:00 UTC

i am not sure what to do now , as i am third in line at the dealer for the 1290r , but the talk of an rr is making me think best wait and see . . . . .. .
i am not one that needs the newest bike its just that the 1290 looks awsome . . . . .but . . . . . .rr . .. . . . .

Ruprecht

2013-10-14 10:56:00 UTC

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stalker

2013-10-14 11:03:00 UTC

I wouldn't have thought they'd mention an RR version if it wasn't going to happen fairly soon.
Otherwise they'd be pointlessly hurting their 1290R sales.

shadowman

2013-10-14 11:12:00 UTC

yeah . .. .

my sd goes well

Ducati Pete

2013-10-14 11:42:00 UTC

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Superdan

2013-10-14 12:10:00 UTC

I wonder how the race triple clamp varies from the standard item?

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-14 12:35:00 UTC

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2013-10-14 13:00:00 UTC

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Sumojoe

2013-10-14 13:06:00 UTC

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tripoddave

2013-10-14 13:37:00 UTC

Price is £14k
Exhaust can is £700

More importantly: Orange or Black?

Sumojoe

2013-10-14 15:00:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-14 15:48:00 UTC

i fail to see the big deals with these specials. We know what the bike looks like so stop it with these silly count downs. A vid, high res pics fail to give me any new information. Give us the specs and let us know if there will be an RR version because if there will be one, most of us would opt for that.

Sumojoe

2013-10-14 16:30:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-14 16:34:00 UTC

RR was mentioned as a plan. I wouldn't hold your breath. I'd imagine at least a year to 18 months away.

prikkie

2013-10-14 16:38:00 UTC

I'm going to guess there will be another exhaust from akra, since that one shown still has a cat. There's always an option to remove it

fatbob

2013-10-14 16:40:00 UTC

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Sumojoe

2013-10-14 16:56:00 UTC

Did they ever release a full system for the 990 Adv? Not really a big market for that. I'm sure we'll see one for the 1290 but it isn't going to be cheap

Lowrance

2013-10-14 17:10:00 UTC

My option is still better looking

Ruprecht

2013-10-14 17:32:00 UTC

Adv akra has the cat in the can
Weight difference is huge ,sound is great and doesn't Need remap unless baffle is took out and that was best part of £800
I paid £1600 for my last akra system for the Beemer
Reckon it won't be far off the same for the sd

You boys should be saving up

soarsore

2013-10-14 17:33:00 UTC

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2013-10-14 17:52:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2013-10-14 18:20:00 UTC

I'm a bit disappointed with the exhaust option. To me the improvement in looks and wait loss isn't sufficient to justify the costs. I do like the tail tidy seen in some photos but not others. I think if weight loss is a priority then a lithium ion battery might be better value plus some CF for looks!

Ruprecht

2013-10-14 18:55:00 UTC

I still have no problem with the Akra exhaust....it's street legal, will sound a little throatier and be a little lighter. With all the power this thing is reported to make there will be no need for a full race system...especially on the street.

I'm still disappointed that there is no toe guard on the swingarm....come on KTM, get off your ass and fix this glaring oversight!

FFS!

Lowrance

2013-10-14 19:00:00 UTC

Any guesses on the next video or pics?
I'm thinking that these power parts were all on the light and sporty theme, so they might do one with a sports touring theme (bags, bar raisers, gps mount, heated grips, touring screen etc).

Lowrance

2013-10-14 20:51:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-10-14 21:12:00 UTC

Interesting. I am told that the cat is under the motor not in the can.
I got the prices from my dealer.

My plan is to fit the can for £700 and de-cat the stock headers. It has worked fine before.

Like the Colonel says: I wouldn't hold your breath for the RR version because typically KTM launch an uber spec version after 2 or 3 years to boost sales and anyway it looks like they are going to launch 700 and 1000cc versions.
Anyway what could an 'RR' version bring to the party?
Better suspension? Mine will be in at K-Tech for reworking and setting specifically for me for a total cost of around £500. The end result will be better than higher spec WP or Ohlins.
Lightweight wheels? I'd have to buy a spare set at huge expense and anyway the fastest guy on here experimented with lightweight wheels and went back to the stock ones so not sure how much of a benefit it would be anyway.

Delivery for the first bikes has been set for first week in December, apparently. Dealers have been allocated 2 bikes per dealer for 2013.

tripoddave

2013-10-14 21:19:00 UTC

Dave, Fowlers have 3 bikes coming in December so perhaps allocation is based on dealer size.

Been scanning EBay. This is the same price. Looks amazing http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.vi ... ID=EBAY-GB

Ruprecht

2013-10-15 07:41:00 UTC

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Bert

2013-10-15 09:06:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-15 09:09:00 UTC

Notice no price tags yet. Race seat will be a welcome addition.

Ruprecht

2013-10-15 10:23:00 UTC

Hah! Well, definitely not touring accessories then.

Good to see the race filter and open exhaust offered (with mapping) as a factory option.

blb

2013-10-15 11:32:00 UTC

Looks like about 20k with all the powerparts! WANT!!! but can't have

Stratkat

2013-10-15 13:24:00 UTC

funny, for a full unrestricted system there is still a HUGE collector box under the motorcycle. check it out in the 360 view.
tuned resonator box??
my current 990 has none of that just headers into the can.

SuperHoon

2013-10-15 14:29:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-15 15:52:00 UTC

im interested to what sort of weight loss is made from the full system. and the HP!! another 10hp wouldnt go astray.

it better be super loud.

enigma990

2013-10-15 15:54:00 UTC

"WAVE" BRAKE DISC
•Race proven and street legal approved
•Stabile brake performance
•Less operating force necessary, but more brake power
•No fading

What a load of bollocks.

Buy shit you don't need!

enigma990

2013-10-15 16:07:00 UTC

+1.... tho they do look good

prikkie

2013-10-15 16:08:00 UTC

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2013-10-15 16:35:00 UTC

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StuartJ

2013-10-15 16:54:00 UTC

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Exitman

2013-10-15 17:09:00 UTC

Hello Guys,

I'm new here, just registered, but i've been lurking around for a year and i just wanted to say thanks for all the information on the 1290. I've been lusting after it since the concept reveal last year and this site has been my source for all the latest and greatest on the production bike. Cheers guys!

I used to ride a Triumph Speed Triple but had to sell when I moved from London to California. Bought a 690 Duke and fell in love instantly, perfect for the twisties out here, but since then I've been doing regular track days and could use a few extra horses... 180bhp sounds about right!

Anyway, I'm going to the dealer on Saturday to put in my pre-order.

Thanks again

Stu

cheeheese

2013-10-15 17:31:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-15 18:32:00 UTC

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No. 47

2013-10-15 18:48:00 UTC

"RACE STYLE" LEVER GUARD
•MotoGP race style for your 1290 Super Duke R
•A MUST HAVE for extra coolness and safety
•No accidental braking or clutching in case of contact with another rider

Coolness? Give me a fooking break...how bout a cool toe guard.....ok, I've beat this horse to death

d2r

2013-10-15 18:56:00 UTC

Will wait for news re RR.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-15 19:09:00 UTC

Patiently awaiting a real test/review. I find it a little hard to believe the claims of power and weight (lighter than our 990 version and 60-70hp more?). And (IMO), it's not a very attractive rig... kinda looks like a bunch of random parts thrown at a big motor.

scamb66

2013-10-15 20:27:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-10-15 20:54:00 UTC

I really don't imagine we will see a RR for 24 months. Just can't see KTM under cutting SDR sales by saying an SDRR is just around the corner.

Ruprecht

2013-10-15 21:13:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-15 21:14:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-15 22:05:00 UTC

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Exitman

2013-10-15 22:20:00 UTC

Think I'm going to wait for the 'Factory RR S' model

d2r

2013-10-15 23:20:00 UTC

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Crotchrockety

2013-10-15 23:54:00 UTC

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omky756

2013-10-16 00:12:00 UTC

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2013-10-16 02:02:00 UTC

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2013-10-16 02:26:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-10-16 02:47:00 UTC

Agrees with BassAgent. Kinda cocky and demeaning for what you'd expect from a moderator on this forum... or any forum for that matter.

Lowrance

2013-10-16 02:49:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-10-16 03:07:00 UTC

I can't think of what more they can do to create an RR version. Looks like the track version is completely unrestricted in terms of emission laws, no cat, upgraded airbox, remapped ecu. Maybe after a couple years on the market people will think of some tweeks to improve stuff, but I wouldn't hold my breath for an RR version any time soon. I wonder how they plan on selling the track version considering it has the blinkers and headlight for street riding, but emission wise it's totally illegal.

Crotchrockety

2013-10-16 04:01:00 UTC

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2013-10-16 04:11:00 UTC

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MrZ32

2013-10-16 04:52:00 UTC

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2013-10-16 05:12:00 UTC

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2013-10-16 05:42:00 UTC

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2013-10-16 05:48:00 UTC

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2013-10-16 05:54:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-16 05:55:00 UTC

I must be getting old. I had the 180 hp bike and never could get used to the monster acceleration on the top end. So, KTM is offering a lighter bike with 100+ lbs-ft of torque, which will no doubt smartly lift the front wheel fooking everywhere. Fun? Sure, but what's the point? Going 160+ behind a fairing is one thing, but 160+ behind a bare instrument cluster? Of all the shit KTM has offered as PP for this "race" bike (race where, it's got too many cc's to race in any existing classes) there's not so much as a fly screen offered?

You guys can, and probably should, flame the shit out of me, but I just don't get it.

scamb66

2013-10-16 06:25:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-16 10:52:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-16 10:54:00 UTC

990 sd trackbike, 640 duke 2 road.

SuperHoon

2013-10-16 10:58:00 UTC

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Sumojoe

2013-10-16 12:04:00 UTC

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ozarkhomie

2013-10-16 13:06:00 UTC

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Sumojoe

2013-10-16 13:32:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-16 13:44:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-16 13:49:00 UTC

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Sumojoe

2013-10-16 14:16:00 UTC

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Aphex

2013-10-16 14:17:00 UTC

If people here are looking for high speed track use, then sit and wait for these updates to come to the RC8R....

Sumojoe

2013-10-16 14:30:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-16 14:39:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-10-16 15:27:00 UTC

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shadowman

2013-10-16 15:30:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-10-16 15:50:00 UTC

Small observation on gearing...

It hits 225 (140ish MPH) at 8K revs in 5th.

That's about what my 990 does flat out in top give or take.

enigma990

2013-10-16 15:53:00 UTC

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d2r

2013-10-16 15:59:00 UTC

That's a great vid! I love how fast it appears to be able to transition side to side.

Regarding the RR debate, I'm thinking maybe they go the way of the RC8R Track? Maybe it's that version that will have crazy wheels and the concept exhaust? They'll just market it as track only?

I'm sure the R with exhaust/suspension will be more than enough, but I AM curious...

Ruprecht

2013-10-16 16:31:00 UTC

Nice find Rup, well didn't take long to hit 140 on that straight did it

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-16 16:41:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-16 17:11:00 UTC

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MADDOG53

2013-10-16 18:05:00 UTC

That vid does make it look very flickable, good to see. Looks like it redlines somewhere just after 10k. Would love to se a dyno print out. I'm sure one of the mags will publish one soon.

For some reason the vid wasn't showing in my browser so here is a link in case anyone else had a problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn2hmk35sOU

Aphex

2013-10-16 19:09:00 UTC

Sounds like shit

Stratkat

2013-10-16 19:32:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-10-16 22:10:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-16 22:26:00 UTC

Looks like the continental journos got first blag...

SuperHoon

2013-10-16 22:48:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-16 23:48:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-17 01:30:00 UTC

That may well be the case, I didn't see a TC light come on during the vid, unless I missed it? Maybe they're waiting until they go to the Ascari track to unleash it and wow everyone?

BassAgent

2013-10-17 01:38:00 UTC

Nope...drive mode says Sport.

So that is Spain then? Kind of looked like it.

Aphex

2013-10-17 04:21:00 UTC

with all the electronic piss on it will it leave you stranded ?

jjlester_74

2013-10-17 05:14:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-17 05:31:00 UTC

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tripoddave

2013-10-17 05:31:00 UTC

Wotch The video now
And see it
225km/h at 8500rpm ? As 265km/h at 10000rpm. Whot as top speed?

Ducati Pete

2013-10-17 11:52:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-17 14:25:00 UTC

The reviews on the Adventure say the TC is intrusive as well, like it softens the motor a bit too much. Probably the same here. Thanks a ton for posting all the links to reviews/reports! There goes my morning

Ruprecht

2013-10-17 14:30:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-17 14:37:00 UTC

One of the problems I've found with the current bike at tracks with a long straight is the gearbox ratio's limit you to how you can adapt your final drive gearing.

The thing is only geared for a top of about 155, which on the road makes perfect sense.

Get on a track with a 1.1KM straight and if you go lower than 16/38 you'll be on the limiter way before your braking marker.

As opposed to a triumph 675, which gives you plenty of room to lower the gearing.
At almeria I had a 675 motoring away from the down the straight even though the superduke has similar power.

Ruprecht

2013-10-17 14:40:00 UTC

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fuel

2013-10-17 14:46:00 UTC

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tripoddave

2013-10-17 15:00:00 UTC

The road test video is southern Spain.

Draw a line West from Malaga and north from Marbella, that's the start point.
They are heading North.

blb

2013-10-17 15:19:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-10-17 15:35:00 UTC

What are KTM usually like with their power claims?
I noticed they claim 175 at the crank for the RC8R, and it seems to dyno about 145-150ish. Seems like a lot of driveline loss...

enigma990

2013-10-17 17:06:00 UTC

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enigma990

2013-10-17 17:09:00 UTC

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Sumojoe

2013-10-17 17:39:00 UTC

jesus christ that's a lot of money

soarsore

2013-10-17 19:09:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-10-17 23:10:00 UTC

luggage is nice, considering the lack of ktm options for the current models.

everyone seems to be raving about how nicely behaved it is on the throttle, i dont know if i like that. i love how my 990 is so direct with the wrist to the back tyre, taking that away would be really dissapointing.

maybe hook a tuner up to it and open the secondary flies right up and im sure the airbox is a bit of a restriction as they said its the same one from the 1190 adventure..

Ruprecht

2013-10-17 23:11:00 UTC

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chip

2013-10-17 23:41:00 UTC

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scamb66

2013-10-17 23:45:00 UTC

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scamb66

2013-10-17 23:46:00 UTC

Think price will be sub $25k here in oz. Local dealer thinks pricing here should be similar to the 1190 ADV, so that would punt it around $23k.
This places it next to the 848 Street fighter and compared to Ducati's Diavel and Multistrada which are closer to the $30k mark think it is well placed for the performance.

Ruprecht

2013-10-18 00:00:00 UTC

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scamb66

2013-10-18 00:07:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-10-18 00:12:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-18 00:13:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-18 00:27:00 UTC

With 160-165ish at the rear this bike should have a higher top speed than 160mph (260kph) body work or no.

Crotchrockety

2013-10-18 00:38:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-18 01:05:00 UTC

On the highest speed run, it looks like he shuts it off at about 8.5K rpm in 6th, doing 259. Looks to be doing 240 at 8K in 6th.
So maybe it would wind out a fair bit more that 260. Eventually.

Crotchrockety

2013-10-18 01:15:00 UTC

0-100 km in over 4 sec? With that much power, that bike should break into the 2s or low 3s at worst.

Ruprecht

2013-10-18 01:20:00 UTC

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2013-10-18 01:26:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-18 03:47:00 UTC

hp and top speed is a funny thing, my old parallel twin 89bhp trx broke 126 mph down the back straight at kirkistown before braking, my sdr with 45 bhp more managed 6mph on top of that, it seems you need better aero dynamics or a shit load more hp to punch through the wind at high speed, A friends almost standard sd done around the same speed at kirikistown

shadowman

2013-10-18 09:34:00 UTC

Screen looks... functional.

Ruprecht

2013-10-18 10:27:00 UTC

My other bike does 300KMH with a gear to spare but honestly - who cares about top speed?

On the road its throttle response, rolling acceleration and power spread that dictate overtaking ability and corner to corner grin factor. For hooning you need wheel lifting throttle response and hopefully a good noise as well! Away from the lights the current SD is faster than any car you are likely to meet and rider skill will will dictate the outcome against any other bike. Unless you drag race zero to sixty times and crank HP figures are only really useful for bragging rights and to impress the gullible.

As drag is proportional to the square of velocity it gets harder and harder to accelerate as the speed increases. Draggy old biplanes could be pointed vertically down with the motor straining and still not exceed 200MPH, freefall jumpers top out at about 120MPH despite the best efforts of gravity to accelerate them. I’m not sure how many people here have actually gone faster that 160MPH on a naked bike but the wind blast and is something to behold!!

If I eventually get one and felt any need to fiddle I would probably gear it for 140 ish flat out and just enjoy the extra snap lower down.

Really looking forward to the proper road tests and to hearing what SD.net members think of theirs once they are out in the wild.

Bert

2013-10-18 10:56:00 UTC

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PBRnr

2013-10-18 11:00:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-18 12:56:00 UTC

Be nice to see some reviews in ENGLISH instead of that poorly translated Google garbage.

Exitman

2013-10-18 14:18:00 UTC

I'm liking this bike more and more. The versatility they've designed into it with the touring screen and panniers is utter genius in my opinion. I think they've really listened to many of the folks on this forum - all the guys who have been brave and clocked thousands of miles touring, well, KTM have provided a pretty darned good solution.

Didn't want one, now I od. Guess I better score some new business for my agency to justify

Lowrance

2013-10-18 14:21:00 UTC

That touring screen looks like a tack-on POS straight out of a Harley-Davidson catalog.

Rubbish.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-18 14:32:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-18 15:00:00 UTC

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StuartJ

2013-10-18 15:14:00 UTC

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baggieman

2013-10-18 15:24:00 UTC

Now I know why I came back

Stratkat

2013-10-18 16:14:00 UTC

i have to agree, that is one hideous screen. im sure it will work but it looks like a total after though.
do love the bags though, are they hard bags???

Lowrance

2013-10-18 18:11:00 UTC

The first thing I thought of when I saw that wind screen.

Lowrance

2013-10-18 18:16:00 UTC

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Sumojoe

2013-10-18 18:19:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-18 18:26:00 UTC

Good photo article with a few words. Said "it is the most impressive motorcycle I have ever ridden"

CEREC1

2013-10-18 18:36:00 UTC

I was just trying to figure out why you're so negative.

I'm known as Mr Grumpy and next to you I seem like a ray of sunshine!

MADDOG53

2013-10-18 19:43:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-18 20:13:00 UTC

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omky756

2013-10-18 22:05:00 UTC

Must admit it's got me thinking,,,,,,,,,,,

Ruprecht

2013-10-18 22:33:00 UTC

Can't wait for all the reviews to start coming in. Aren't they on the track with it anytime now? That will also make interesting reading.

Lowrance

2013-10-18 23:23:00 UTC

It's starting to grow on me..lol
Not too keen on the wind screen...
Looks like ass..but hey..
Won't have to swap out much..
Me thinks...
I wanna black one..

Lowrance

2013-10-18 23:41:00 UTC

I've been going back and forth a lot lately about color. In pics, the orange and white looks the best to me. But in the posted pics of the event, that black one just looks menacing as hell. I wish the subframe was orange too. Maybe a black one, and then have the wheels coated like the prototype, except for half BLACK/half orange? That could be slick...

Ruprecht

2013-10-19 00:17:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-19 00:48:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-10-19 02:46:00 UTC

I hate how biased that site is to the toohomo

omky756

2013-10-19 02:50:00 UTC

I'm not against it..
I'll have to give Crotchrockety`s
a test ride...

BassAgent

2013-10-19 02:57:00 UTC

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2013-10-19 02:59:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-19 03:09:00 UTC

I certainly hope the 1290 isn't as boring as the 1190. All that fly by wire stuff is too safe. I rode one around town today. It felt like I was on a Gullwing or some other grand tourer. I guess this is what it feels like to ride a toohomo.

soarsore

2013-10-19 03:33:00 UTC

Tuono is anything but boring....trust me on that one.

Where did you ride the Adventurer at?

Ruprecht

2013-10-19 04:29:00 UTC

The 1290 is up on Motorcycle Ergonomics
http://cycle-ergo.com/
I know most folks do not care, but it is one degree more knee bend compared to the 990 and three degrees more upright.

Ducati Pete

2013-10-19 04:51:00 UTC

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jjlester_74

2013-10-19 05:59:00 UTC

Not a review, but .

Part 2 of the other that was posted.

Looks like they had at least 4 bikes prepped with slicks, the full akrapovic system, different rear shock, the rearsets, "race" triple clamp, levers and other power parts.

Some rider (tank really) POV footage from Ascari.

Lowrance

2013-10-19 08:39:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-19 10:04:00 UTC

I need it more LOUDERN Then Akrapovic

Crotchrockety

2013-10-19 16:13:00 UTC

I want more of that first video! Was just getting into it and then.....fook!

Based on the second video the slipper clutch can certainly do it's job...guy was downshifting at 10Krpm. Try that on the current bike without a slipper...end up on head and bend valves for good measure.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-19 17:20:00 UTC

That Akra system sounds suitably deep and with good rumble. But the popping on the overrun sounds terrible. Heard it a bit in the track shots, but when he was standing there revving it, I thought it sounded great, right up until the awful popping.

Lowrance

2013-10-19 17:36:00 UTC

That aweful popping you're refering to is the rev limiter.

MrZ32

2013-10-19 18:08:00 UTC

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2013-10-19 18:14:00 UTC

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Crotchrockety

2013-10-19 18:40:00 UTC

Problem is a lot of people want all that electronic stuff and they will want this bike to sell big. Given that the reviews are all saying the beast is tamed this opens up the market to people who want to own this bike but couldn't handle the raw grunt. If you're going to have the electronics you may as well go big on hp

The Gin Reaper

2013-10-20 08:15:00 UTC

double posting of a video....... edited it out before the Mods put me in the naughty corner......

Ruprecht

2013-10-20 08:37:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-20 09:01:00 UTC

I want to see someone who really knows what they are doing taking it out on the track.

Ducati Pete

2013-10-20 11:18:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-20 11:59:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-20 12:44:00 UTC

Sorry, I've seen no specific vid but he's spoken highly of it.

It would be great to see a vid but it will always look fast. When we were at Jerez with Rhiem racing he rode a pretty tatty GSXR750 which had a end can, slicks and braided lines fitted, he put a lap in quick enough to qualify for the MotoGP race!

scamb66

2013-10-20 14:10:00 UTC

Placed a pre order in for a black one on Thursday, dealer said that they will be getting a pre-production model for a week after the bike has done the rounds of the motorcycle shows.
Perth is slated for November 1-3 so maybe a good chance for a look then.
Imagine it will be doing the rest of Oz as well.

Lowrance

2013-10-20 16:27:00 UTC

This is the best video I've seen of the bikes capabilities. Unfortunately it's way to short. Track preped version with slicks etc but give an idea of the potential which looks good.

The guy in the black and white Spidis and blue boots is hauling @ the 55 second mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... hl-v7jdt8k

SDNerd

2013-10-20 17:18:00 UTC

Amusing (perhaps already posted in this thread - ?):

Spoke with the stealer about it yesterday - they haven't been given delivery dates yet ...

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-20 18:00:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-20 18:16:00 UTC

Agreed. We need one of those lucky bastards to post some useful video.

lmario

2013-10-20 18:41:00 UTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn2hmk35 ... ata_player

Jermo

2013-10-20 18:56:00 UTC

Looks like a pretty long gearing as well. Goes through the 200km/h barrier quickly!

Ruprecht

2013-10-20 23:07:00 UTC

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2013-10-20 23:22:00 UTC

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2013-10-20 23:33:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-21 00:28:00 UTC

"As I tickled the bike out of the car park, I felt more like I was sat on a bison, holding onto its horns, knowing that any second it was going to have KTM stamped on its arse with a red hot poker.

I was holding that poker.

But someone had forgotten to leave it in the fire for long enough.

I expected the cold rear Dunlop Sportsmart2 to smear itself along the motorway sliproad and the clocks to leap up and try and headbutt me the moment the rear Dunlop had found some grip but the SD1290 ploughed forward like a tsunami when I was expecting an volcanic eruption.

I was in Street mode. That explains it. So I switched to Sport mode an tried again but although the bike surged forward with a little extra vigour, there were no huge explosions, no spitting columns of molten lava . I was still alive.

Alive and slightly puzzled".

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2013-10-21 01:27:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-21 01:52:00 UTC

In his write up he said he did. In fact 1/2 of his riding was done with it turned off as he didn't feel it needed TC turned on. Hmmm.

'You can turn off the MTC and you’ll get your wheelies back but it doesn’t change the power deliver and you won’t have any traction control. Not that you need it, really, you don’t. I spent half of my time on the bike without the traction control on and never once thought I’d be responsible for my own electronically unassisted suicide. Well ok, maybe once but you know what? That’s half the fun.'

This guy is one hell of an entertaining writer. I highly recommend reading the article.

MrZ32

2013-10-21 02:06:00 UTC

This is upsetting news. .. maybe we will have to wait a year for people to work out how to remove the restrictions and get a 'race' throttle and not some Honda.

After giving my sd an absolute thrashing and remembering why i loved it so much... I don't think I would want something smooth. I love it because it responds to inputs like a moto crosser but doesn't let up in the top end.

I have the guy who was riding with me on a gsxr 750 a go... I came back uninspired. .. and he got off with a massive grin. That is what an sd should be about. Sure, it needs the softer settings for the general public but it also needs the No holds barred mapping to. .. They should call it hooligan mode

SuperHoon

2013-10-21 02:23:00 UTC

i bet this is why they say it feels friendly.

i really hope tuneECU or something is worked out quickly for these bikes, sport mode should be direct then leave the others how they are

Stratkat

2013-10-21 02:31:00 UTC

I just find it hard to believe that it's that tame. I mean the ones we have now have the potential to bite hard if you're stupid with it. I would think with 160 unfettered hp at the back wheel with a sit up naked it would wheelie like crazy in 4th. To be perfectly honest I didn't even try to wheelie the V4 Toano (or I didn't try a long wheelie I should say) because it was way to explosive to figure out on the short test ride. I can't imagine this new 1290 is going to be softer than that. KTM just doesn't build gentle into the night motorcycles. I don't know what to think

Crotchrockety

2013-10-21 02:35:00 UTC

If you want to pull wheelies everywhere and still have active traction control, buy a Ducati Hypermotard SP or an Aprilia Tuono V4R.

Read more: http://www.visordown.com/road-tests-fir ... z2iJuJ3joD

MrZ32

2013-10-21 02:36:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-10-21 02:38:00 UTC

Ok first he says to turn off the TC and you get your wheelies back, then he says if you want to wheelie buy a Hypermotard or a Toano... I mean who cares if you have TC when you wheelie?

Ruprecht

2013-10-21 04:17:00 UTC

This review is consistent with how the 1190 adventure throttle felt like. I didn't recognize it as a KTM anymore. There is something very raw and instinctual about feeling every drop of fuel enter the cylinders as you twist the throttle on a 990. The fly by wire takes all of that feeling away. You have to figure though, most motorcycle riders are not track rats. If joe average is walking down motorcycle dealer street test riding every naked bike, he will look at the specs of 1290 SD and compare it with the FZ1 or Z1000, and probably go with the 1290 SD because it's just a smooth but has bigger numbers to brag about. Plus, you have to figure KTM is also trying to pull customers away from the BMW K1300R, hence the big displacement. It kind of reminds me of the MV F3 reviews when they first came out. All the pre-set mappings were too tame, but MV allowed the user to make custom maps direct from the console, which improved the bike significantly. For this reason if I ever have enough money to waste on a new track bike, I'll probably go with an MV because the electronics are tuner friendly.

MrZ32

2013-10-21 04:37:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-21 04:40:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-21 04:56:00 UTC

I remember doing wire mods for my RC8R and 690SMC to trick the ECU into thinking you're in 3rd all the time to give you full power in the first 3 gears. Wonder if the same can be done here?

Sad that the electronics are completely dumbing down the experience

A review should not end with 'if you don't like wheelies or being a hooligan, this bike is for you'. Seriously saddening.

Ruprecht

2013-10-21 04:57:00 UTC

Some more ride footage:

jmann

2013-10-21 05:38:00 UTC

That was fooking painful to watch (and it was on the fully preped bike with slicks).

That certainly wasn't Don Canet.

Ruprecht

2013-10-21 05:52:00 UTC

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2013-10-21 07:23:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-21 07:59:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-21 09:22:00 UTC

Looks like we are really going to need TuneECU to work with the 1290. Maybe a throttle cam will help with the problem but I want the option for an out right maniac mode if or no other reason than the bike to scare me shitless.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-21 09:39:00 UTC

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shadowman

2013-10-21 09:39:00 UTC

To be fair, we are talking about a problem we don't even have yet.

The 1st and 2nd restriction is lifted on the 990 with a simple remap (the Akra map) or a quick wire swap.
We already know it has a supermoto mode.

Sumojoe

2013-10-21 09:43:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-21 11:02:00 UTC

Don't worry guys the SDRR will not only have Wet, Street, Sport and Race modes but also Motogp mode.

gringo

2013-10-21 11:29:00 UTC

I'm fairly stupid so I may be wrong but it seems to me this is overcomplicating things a bit.

In my experience you rotate the twisty bit towards you untill you achieve the desired level of thrust at which point you stop twisting?

So if 60% of twist = 40% of max thrust then just twist a bit more untill 60% (or whatever the desired level is) is achieved.

As full twist = max output then it stands to reason that any desired % of thrust can be dialed in, you may just have to twist a bit more if it's non linear.

Still liking what I have seen of it so far

Ruprecht

2013-10-21 13:05:00 UTC

Now we have an idea of ground clearance for the exhaust

Sumojoe

2013-10-21 13:17:00 UTC

One can only hope KTM release (in the not to distant future) a SW upgrade to allow a more linear twist grip to TB Sport mode as thats all it would be, a simple software upgrade. Of course some software weenie would have to write it.

I'm in the less is more camp when it comes to electronics as well. I do understand the need for them on these ever increasing HP motors (especially when a less than experienced rider gets behind the controls) but there should certainly be an option for a robust Sport or Track setting to give you what you are paying for as an experienced rider. In addition, OFF should mean OFF! You could have a pop up screen say "are you sure?"

tripoddave

2013-10-21 14:53:00 UTC

i just want to know the price, here in spain no news but the dealer in valencia has said thay are trying to get one of the bikes that has been tested down in the south up to valencia and that i can have it for few days if they get one!!!! i do believe him as they gave me the 2009 rc8r for a week when thay got one after some tests somewere else in spain so heres hoping..........

Lowrance

2013-10-21 14:54:00 UTC

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2013-10-21 15:15:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-22 01:04:00 UTC

Another riding impression from Spain:

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/reviews ... -r-review/

This guy might be smoking crack....frame flex issues, front brake ABS issues? First I've seen of either having been reported.

SuperHoon

2013-10-22 01:42:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-22 01:44:00 UTC

Don't think so as that guy was apparently from Cycle World and this guy is european? writing for A&R.

Ruprecht

2013-10-22 02:06:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-22 03:33:00 UTC

Ah, the squid.

Hopefully what he is feeling is a direct result of the loose nut behind the bars

scamb66

2013-10-22 03:49:00 UTC

The biggest bitch about the old SD was it's snatchy throttle response, maybe KTM keep an eye on the forum and took it on board and made sure it didnt happen again.
Be careful what you wish for!

dynastar

2013-10-22 06:04:00 UTC

These initial reviews are making me want to keep my '08 superduke. I guess I can understand KTM not wanting to unleash this monster to the public unabated. Rather than being an "experts" only bike, they dumbed it down for the masses to increase sales and limit liability while still leaving the high performance for those who want to chase it.

Still though, sounds like the 990 Super Duke is more what I think is representative of the KTM brand. No compromises, no apologies, and no excuses.

It's nothing new though, the 2004 Kawasaki 10R and the 2005 Suzuki GSXR1K were the last of their kind before newer models of these bikes were muted to protect the public.

After all, we can't have monsters roaming the quiet countryside

shadowman

2013-10-22 08:43:00 UTC

Accepting that bike jurno’s are full of shit this is still encouraging....

Culled from one of the test links above.....

Above that the engine truly is a beast: turn the traction control off and it’s simply impossible to keep the front wheel down in the first 3 gears. In fourth, fifth, or sixth, a tiny crest in the road will result into a power-wheelie. KTM definitely didn’t lie when they christened this bike as ‘The Beast’: the 1290 Super Duke R is faster, stronger, wilder than you can imagine.

Ruprecht

2013-10-22 09:55:00 UTC

(turn on the auto captions for a bit of a laugh)

shadowman

2013-10-22 10:45:00 UTC

So 259 KPH at just under 8K (see vid above).

This would give 291 @ 9K or just over 180 MPH assuming that you could hold on and that the wind resistance can be overcome.

Obviously the speedo will over read but even so thats considered quite brisk where I come from.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-22 10:50:00 UTC

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2013-10-22 11:05:00 UTC

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2013-10-22 11:16:00 UTC

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MrZ32

2013-10-22 11:46:00 UTC

sorry for the crappy paint pics, i cant seem to find my CS copy.. so this crap will have to do but you will get the gist (couldnt rotate it or stretch it the way i wanted to)

Stratkat

2013-10-22 12:53:00 UTC

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2013-10-22 13:43:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-10-22 13:53:00 UTC

[quote=dude, stop it already. the bike is designed and has been released, it is what it is.[/quote]
Yes but it doesn't stop the aftermarket guys from giving me the exhaust and belly pan that I want. Screw akro and their retarded design... give us the proto pipes or I will get something elsewhere that is underslung.

It really doesn't look like there is much in it to get an underslung happening... so why the f@ck shouldn't I put up pics... I'm buying an sd but am already modifying it in my mind.[/quote]

i think we all get it, its not pretty, but its not going to help at this point till the aftermarket takes over.

shadowman

2013-10-22 20:41:00 UTC

One for all you US folks

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-23 08:38:00 UTC

for all you none UK guys, MCN 23.10.13 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/866 ... .10.13.zip

SuperHoon

2013-10-23 08:54:00 UTC

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shadowman

2013-10-23 09:25:00 UTC

Not sure why they are calling it the "R" version considering you have to pay extra for all of the cool race power parts like upgraded suspension, milled triples, and akra exhaust. Even if you ignore the little bling parts, it will still cost another $6K in upgrades to fully unleash the beast. Surprising to read that stock forks do not have preload adjustment because some marketing dweeb doesn't think 8-10mm of adjustment is significant. I wonder where else they cut corners to save on bottom line? Good thing I'm not in the market for a new bike, sounds like it best to wait another couple years to ring out all the bugs. By then we will have enough salvage bling parts to get on flee bay at discount thanks to BassAgent.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-23 09:29:00 UTC

Sounds like the TC can be permanently turned off if you buy the dongle that saves your last settings.

I'm thinking that will probably sell well!!

jmann

2013-10-23 09:58:00 UTC

Special No8 is a chance to win the Beast! Now I thought as the user with the highest post count on SD.net you lot might just let me enter and fly the flag for SD.net. Come on you know it makes sense

Ruprecht

2013-10-23 10:37:00 UTC

You know I entered that competition the second it appeared.
4 people get to test ride the thing for the whole summer (in their choice of stock, race, "style" or touring configuration) and one of them wins the bike...
Best of luck.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-23 10:51:00 UTC

Wow all these reviews saying it is a pussycat, other riders will christen it the "Super Homo" until the RR version is released, oh the humanity.

Ruprecht

2013-10-23 10:53:00 UTC

"Super Duchess"?

SuperHoon

2013-10-23 11:14:00 UTC

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2013-10-23 11:30:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-10-23 11:35:00 UTC

i've entered the comp, hopefully my background of national level road racing, flat track and supermoto gets me across the line because my face certainly won't!

Crotchrockety

2013-10-23 12:15:00 UTC

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prikkie

2013-10-23 12:43:00 UTC

race version sounds tasty.

its only money anyway.

shadowman

2013-10-23 15:45:00 UTC

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Blackduke77

2013-10-23 16:06:00 UTC

Sad that the MCN chap scratched it off his BotY list. I expected it to be expensive, as the 2010 RC8R was 20k US with zero electronics or anything (miss that bike).

The more of these I read, definitely waiting to see if there's an RR/improved model. I understand the KTM boss' position that they can't let it go full retard for safety reasons and stupid people, but the option SHOULD be available/unlockable, even if through a stupid dongle, for riders that aren't dumb enough to go 100% throttle at 20mph in 1st...

Just give us the OPTION. Still want though.

Lowrance

2013-10-23 16:11:00 UTC

Some photoshop. Figgering out what i will do when i buy the 1290 SDR.
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No. 47

2013-10-23 16:18:00 UTC

The second one looks best to me.

If it were possible to have a low level side outlet on either side and not have the under seat pipe at all that would be better still

Lowrance

2013-10-23 16:22:00 UTC

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2013-10-23 17:52:00 UTC

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2013-10-23 20:30:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-23 20:47:00 UTC

Sounds as if KTM have altered the TC mapping for the full-on track set-up bikes (not just the fueling for the Akra pipe). This is good news as it should allow us to pick and choose which portions of the map we want to use (as soon as some software weenie breaks the code that is).

Kind of worriesome that KTM will 'release an approved list of tyres' suitable for use on this bike...WTF. Good thing I do like Dunnys over Michies. Did the French piss off the Austrians some how?

Ducati Pete

2013-10-23 21:07:00 UTC

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2013-10-23 21:11:00 UTC

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tripoddave

2013-10-23 21:24:00 UTC

Could this Map be the 1290 version of the "Akra Map"?

Lowrance

2013-10-23 21:26:00 UTC

BTW - those KR series dunlop slicks are fantastic.

The 125/65 front is a real treat.

Lowrance

2013-10-23 21:32:00 UTC

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MADDOG53

2013-10-23 22:40:00 UTC

I had a chat with Matt from Performance Bikes Magazine today.
He was one of the journalists at the launch.
I think he thinks that the 1290R is very nearly a great bike. KTM have made the 1290R a little more main stream and accessible than the original SD.
Matt thinks that raising the rear ride height and may be dropping the yokes down the forks a bit will sharpen up the steering and help it hold a line better. Firming things up a bit would help. The fork cartridge kit and replacement shock from the power parts catalogue help a lot in this respect.
Matt says the 1290R wheelies in the first four gears, no worries, with the traction control turned off and that the Akrapovic race exhaust and re-map make a big difference to the power curve as well as the power.
Matt is not a technophobe and anti rider aids but he does think the bike rides better without the traction control.
However he believes the fly by wire throttle curve does take the edge off but also makes the bike easier to handle at big angles of lean - if it were linear it would be very difficult indeed because of the huge amount of torque.
All in all a really good bike with the potential to be a truly great one.

Personally I'm looking forward to reading the launch report in PB.

Lowrance

2013-10-24 01:35:00 UTC

And Motorcyclist mag finally chimed in with their take on the bike...reads pretty good.

I'm seeing a lot of speculation about price being inthe $17K + range from the various reviews comming out of Spain. I've got to say if that is the case I can't really see the 1290 being $2.5 - $3.5K better than the Aprilia TV4R. And, the Tuono has a better electronics package out of the crate. Hmmm, I hope they are wrong.

Author is Aaron Frank. I know the name but unsure of the nationality. Is he British?

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/first ... irst_ride/

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2013-10-24 05:28:00 UTC

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2013-10-24 06:39:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-24 07:24:00 UTC

I can see the price dropping £1.5k in 12 months to match the drop the tuono has had. It's going to be 18 months before I'll be getting one anyway. Might make it that bit cheaper.

Lowrance

2013-10-24 07:49:00 UTC

I agree about price potentially being the biggest knock.

Having said that, being able to taylor the TC and wheelie control to ones preference sounds appealing. Apparently all the dongle will do is allow you to have TC remain off if you cycle the on/off switch. I think with that much power on tap it would be nice to have a certain amount of TC to keep things in check but also be able to taylor the wheelie control if for no other reason than they are a hell of a lot of fun when powering out of a corner.

It's all speculation at this point and will definitely take seat time on the bike to determine. I'm with you on the virtues of a V-Twin. I'm definitely hooked on a sporting V-Twin's power characteristics. Those damn V4s do sound good though.

When I get back to town in late November I plan on demmoing a 2014 TV4R. The first chance I will get to see the 1290 in person will be the LBMC in early December. Not sure when demmos will be available...sounds like late February at the earliest. Going to be a long winter.

jjlester_74

2013-10-24 08:04:00 UTC

i like this style

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-24 08:29:00 UTC

That bike is going to suffer serious ground clearance issues. I can't keep the right handside of the belly pan off the deck on some fast corners on track. That will be a major issue for that bike imo.

SuperHoon

2013-10-24 08:46:00 UTC

I don't know but that setup seems to exacerbate the shortness of the swingarm the tail unit just seems a little long, maybe the streetfighter like exhaust setup you had would change things. Actually maybe it is not the tail the distance between the front of the rear tyre and the frame is too short imo the streetfighter exhust setup may disguise that still good work.

Stratkat

2013-10-24 09:04:00 UTC

fook the electronics, thats what rider skill is for

Ducati Pete

2013-10-24 13:42:00 UTC

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Bert

2013-10-24 13:52:00 UTC

I want as direct control as possible with minimum electrickery.

However, as I only ride on track, with the type of power and torque figures that are being discussed, I recognise a bit of TC and wheelie control would be most helpfull.

It doesn't make the ZX10R a dull machine.

Lowrance

2013-10-24 13:53:00 UTC

guys, can you please keep the swingarm mod discussion in ? Thanks.

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2013-10-24 13:54:00 UTC

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2013-10-24 14:32:00 UTC

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2013-10-24 14:36:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-24 20:11:00 UTC

Looks good enough to me

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2013-10-24 20:18:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-10-24 21:21:00 UTC

I like the mirrors. One thing I would not have to change as I did on my 08.

There, something positive......y'all happy?

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2013-10-24 21:23:00 UTC

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2013-10-24 21:26:00 UTC

MADDOG53

2013-10-24 21:31:00 UTC

Can I just make sure I've got this straight. You watched those videos and the thing that struck you most was how attractive the mirrors were!

Ruprecht

2013-10-24 21:33:00 UTC

The devil is in the detail!

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2013-10-24 23:09:00 UTC

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2013-10-25 00:06:00 UTC

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2013-10-25 03:43:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-25 04:05:00 UTC

Everyone see that connector behind the airbox? Get your dilectric grease ready...

SuperHoon

2013-10-25 04:40:00 UTC

march 2014.

fook sake. i need a new bike now!

AGRO!

2013-10-25 09:51:00 UTC

Why do we pay so much for bikes in Australia?
I was expecting it to be under $20,000.

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2013-10-25 10:50:00 UTC

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2013-10-25 11:13:00 UTC

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2013-10-25 11:24:00 UTC

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2013-10-25 12:28:00 UTC

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2013-10-25 12:30:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-25 16:14:00 UTC

Visor Down has a bit of track footage on the "Race" version. Camera work could be better though... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/mot ... eview.html

KTM presentation of the "Race" version and Akra sound check.

QuietRider

2013-10-25 16:32:00 UTC

He must have had it in super moto mode as the rear was def squealing a fair bit in one corner. chest mount just doesn't work on anything but a dirt bike.

Lowrance

2013-10-25 16:59:00 UTC

That Ninja 1000 looks alright, but the bigger thing is that links to the article about the leaked RC390 pics/specs.

I hope to make that my wife's next track day bike, as she wants something a bit less extreme than her RSV4 Factory.

Plus it looks awesome, and it's orange

Ruprecht

2013-10-25 17:07:00 UTC

This from motorcycle.com's "first ride" review.

"The outcome of KTM’s efforts is faultless EFI mapping and precision throttle control. Mild to aggressive throttle inputs are processed and delivered to the rear wheel in measured, smooth application. Throttle abruptness is nonexistent."

Nice.

Lowrance

2013-10-25 17:26:00 UTC

Looks like Yamaha may be teasing us a bit with a jump into the nekked litre bike class....

Choice would be a good thing and competition drives down price!

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-new ... 23838.html

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2013-10-25 17:45:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-25 17:53:00 UTC

Thanks once again Rup....you are finding some good stuff. That Z1000 looks like photo shop special to me.

You are right about the teaser videos for 2013. They are getting a bit old in my opine. If you've got something to say or show, do it.

Come on November 4th!

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2013-10-25 18:03:00 UTC

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2013-10-25 18:09:00 UTC

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2013-10-25 18:39:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-25 18:40:00 UTC

Looks like the new Beemer nekid is set to launch next month as well. Who would have thought there would be so much nudity. 1967 might have been the "summer of love", but 2013 is certainly the winter of naked love - unless you're in the southern hemisphere I guess.

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2013-10-25 18:47:00 UTC

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2013-10-25 19:02:00 UTC

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2013-10-25 20:37:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-25 21:51:00 UTC

GFC? Great fooking Cock-up?

Lowrance

2013-10-25 22:06:00 UTC

Whoa...

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2013-10-25 22:25:00 UTC

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2013-10-25 22:31:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-25 22:37:00 UTC

Is that a photoshop?

Looks like it still has clip-ons. Low ones.

Lowrance

2013-10-25 22:43:00 UTC

Don't know...it was on the af1 Tuono forum

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2013-10-25 22:44:00 UTC

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2013-10-26 02:38:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-10-26 03:12:00 UTC

I'm just stoked at what appears to be a plethora of choices (of non-neutered nakeds) soon to be in dealerships. The more manufactures are compteing for our dollars the better the equipment will be and hopefully more competitive pricing as well.

KTM, BMW, Aprilia, Ducati, MV, Triumph and soon to be - Kawasaki, Yamaha, etc, etc, etc

fooking fantastic!

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2013-10-26 04:08:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-10-26 07:18:00 UTC

It would be cool if there was a real "street fighter" racing league where the objective is to race from one city to the next. Along the way there are road blocks that need to be avoided, there is no real designated track so you can take as many short cuts as you can find, etc... Kind of like rush the rock video game. It would be interesting to see which bike style would reign supreme in an environment that is constantly changing. If you were to race from SF to LA, some might pick a hyabusa and set cruise control on 200mph while slabbing down HW5, but along that road there would be random things like police road blocks, cows crossing the freeway, over passes collapsed etc... then the rider will have to find another road and cut over HW 101, where more hazards are encountered where they have to cut over to HW1, then back to HW101 etc, and end up taking Mulholland freeway into Hollywood, where now they face bumper to bumper traffic etc... Now the idea of slabbing on a Hyabusa doesn't sound so great. This is where the street fighters come in. Where you need to adapt to unpredictable conditions, make constant changes to the route, maybe even cut across dirt roads. It would be interesting to see which "street fighter" is the best in these cases. It could be that a Hypermotarded would work better than a street fighter... who knows. One can only dream. I like to think that KTM thought of this type of scenario when designing the Super Duke.

StuartJ

2013-10-26 13:57:00 UTC

thats actually a great idea!

Colonel_Klinck

2013-10-26 18:52:00 UTC

Another video from 1000ps... It's all in German, but great video of the bike in action at Ascari. Forgive me if this has been posted already

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo1-i9DvwoY

Ducati Pete

2013-10-26 19:10:00 UTC

Could do with subs in English. Footage is great though. It does look like a riot to ride

stalker

2013-10-27 19:12:00 UTC

yep i pick my 1290 sd in december....

they have a dedicated web site for this bike...www.1290superduker.com

Ducati Pete

2013-10-27 19:33:00 UTC

LOLZ

SuperHoon

2013-10-27 19:55:00 UTC

HAHA

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2013-10-27 20:50:00 UTC

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2013-10-27 21:36:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-10-27 23:29:00 UTC

why do australia have to wait until march! frustrating. you can get a toohomo v4r for 18k ride away at the moment, but i didn't like it.

that means the riding summer is over before the new bike comes, and that means my 990 will probably have 30,xxxkms on it. and it will be worth zero.

i'm in two minds on this bike now, one part of me really really wants one but the other part just wants a bike that i don't have to worry about if it gets scratched, ridden on the dirt, falls over etc.

new bikes make me really anal with care.

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2013-10-28 00:22:00 UTC

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2013-10-28 02:08:00 UTC

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2013-10-28 05:17:00 UTC

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2013-10-28 05:23:00 UTC

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enigma990

2013-10-28 08:05:00 UTC

My brakes weren't too reliable yesterday unfortunately

smackman

2013-10-28 11:44:00 UTC

Does anyone living near Caldwell Park have one on order? Evotech would like to measure one up for their products.

Anyone lending their bike for this will get the appropriate products for free.

If you can oblige, Gary at Evotech can be contacted on this number; +44 (0) 1507 466729

enigma990

2013-10-28 14:56:00 UTC

If they wanna buy me one be glad to help with development

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2013-10-28 15:59:00 UTC

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2013-10-28 17:25:00 UTC

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2013-10-29 04:41:00 UTC

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2013-10-29 09:17:00 UTC

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2013-10-29 11:41:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-29 16:12:00 UTC

ouch, €15,479.00 plus registration here in spain.

a lot of money may have to have to get something differente and wait for a couple of years.

mind you i do have a test ride planned within the next few weeks so................

MrZ32

2013-10-29 19:03:00 UTC

More Ascari from 1000PS.

KTM certainly .
I wonder if the press that missed out on the invite will still be as positive.

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2013-10-29 22:46:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-10-29 22:59:00 UTC

1290 is nice ,,but IMO way to much for the street,,however, throttle jockey's are everywhere,,( do they know how to ride ( look at me ,,I ride the track ),,,TBH the next bike I would consider at buying is the 800 SD , with the scaled down RC motor,,,betting it will meet or beat the 990 SD,,,,and come with all the goodies people want for "the real world" of riding on the road and for a better price,,,,,,and for all the people laying out the dosh for a new one,,I wouldn't be so keen to sell the current bike as yet,,,,it may be you liked it better that the new one in the end,,,better off having both in the garage and see which one "is" really betta,,,,,,,been there and done that ,,,and kicked myself in the arse for years after, wanting what I once had and let go for something better that in the end wasn't all that good,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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2013-10-30 00:44:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-10-30 02:37:00 UTC

Selling the current sd for the new one was never an option. .. it has to be an extra bike. I have always had more than one bike while owning the sd and all have come and gone. .. hypermotard, r1200rtp, f800 & mt01 (with only the MT01 being the one that I will be sad to see go. .. Today in fact).

Always loved the bike. .. lusted for it, bought it, modified it, still after four years I get caught by the mrs sneaking to the garage just to admire it).

The 1290 will be the extra bike

fatbob

2013-10-30 03:13:00 UTC

Lets face it, the brand is getting watered down. The same seasoning was done to the Duke line and after being marinated by the Indians when they bought-in, resulted in some cheap looking headlights watered down monster sort-of-a bike. Speaking of the Duke, its got so many versions I can barely taste the difference between bananas and plantains. 1290 is cool however all this BS hype for something that does not measure up to quiet the grand finale i expected leaves me plenty happy with my soon to arrive SDR I purchased from Palmer on this forum. Like most of you I am a twin guy although I have place in my heart for my 990R MV Brutale and I'll probably sometime end up buying a used 1290 and tricking it out.

AGRO!

2013-10-30 05:02:00 UTC

I'm definitely keeping my 08 SDR after buying the 1290..... ive just been trying to decide if I'm keeping the speed triple or selling it to more easily fun the 1290..... I must say it is somewhat calming riding the s3 at times and hot damn is it smooth as shit to wheely

ozarkhomie

2013-10-30 13:56:00 UTC

It will be enjoyable to read all of the reviews from those that are first to venture into the uncharted…sifting through, looking for the "real" versus the "I spent a lot of money and need to justify by giving it a rave" review. New is always fun, but not always for long…this old man is more than happy being full fat with a "full fat!!"

Gentlemen…I do hope you enjoy the 1290's.

Hey Whipper Snapper….how you getting on with that mini-bike?

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2013-10-30 15:38:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-10-30 21:49:00 UTC

the next special should be here with 24hrs, i wonder what it will be.

when do we find out who wins the bike? hopefully someone from here gets one.

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2013-10-30 22:04:00 UTC

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2013-10-30 22:27:00 UTC

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2013-10-30 23:09:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-10-30 23:49:00 UTC

i didn't even apply for the test-ride competition.... I figured they'd see all the crashing I do and immediately DQ me haha

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2013-10-31 02:00:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-10-31 02:30:00 UTC

Regarding my rant yesterday. It's not that I don't like the bike or so I just don't like to be feffed around by some company no matter who they are.
Just saying I don't understand the marketing. All the hoeha but no bikes...???

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2013-10-31 05:01:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-10-31 05:41:00 UTC

The baby ape!![/quote]

What ape do you have? Is this while I was away?

shadowman

2013-10-31 07:03:00 UTC

Hey James My wife bought me a RS125 for my 57th Birthday

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2013-10-31 09:45:00 UTC

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MADDOG53

2013-10-31 10:05:00 UTC

1. When and where will the new KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R be available for sale or order?
At the beginning of December the first models of the KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R can be seen in showrooms of authorized European KTM dealers (in North America at the beginning of 2014). The KTM dealers offer professional advice on the new SUPER DUKE R and will take any orders.

2.What does the new SUPER DUKE R cost?
For your guidance: in Germany the SUPER DUKE R costs EUR 15.495 (including taxes). In other countries the SUPER DUKE R can vary in price due to national tax rates.

3. Is there an alternative to the series registration plate holder?
Yes, there is a short version of the registration plate holder available in the PowerParts product range (see Style Setup or picture above).

4. Is the Akrapovič exhaust of the prototype available as an accessory part?
The exhaust system of the prototype is an individual item that was designed only for show purposes. As a result of the incredibly loud sound and the applicable exhaust emission standards, this exhaust system cannot be applied on the production version. For clarification as to how loud it actually is: Initially the video of the prototype was supposed to be recorded on a race track – but there was no chance, as the volume is comparable to a starting jet fighter. In the end we tried our luck at a place where you can usually meet jet fighters and the airport luckily gave us approval for the video shoot of this Mattighofen made ‘Fighter Jet’.

5. Is there an alternative to the displayed series exhaust system?
The KTM PowerParts product range offers a street-legal Akrapovič slip-on axle back exhaust (see Style Setup or picture above), as well as an Akrapovič titanium exhaust system (only for racing use, see Race Setup). Equipped with these PowerParts peak performance and torque of the SUPER DUKE can be increased whilst reducing the weight at the same time.

6. Are the bicolour rims available in the PowerParts product range?
Yes, the orange rims with the “RACING” logo lettered in white are available as a PowerPart upgrade (street-legal, see Race Setup).

7. Are the setups available as package or individual part respectively?
The displayed setups of the KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R are merely suggestions for individualization. All PowerParts are available as individual parts at your authorized KTM dealer. The dealers adapt the KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R according to the displayed setup alternatives or according to individual customer specifications. At www.ktm.com you can find the entire PowerParts product range.

8. Why the KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R isn´t equipped with a quick shifter?
Former tests with quick shifters revealed that the system is suboptimal for all riding conditions (race track/ country road/ city) and is incompatible with the components available today given the big performance and displacement two-cylinder engine concept. For the future model years KTM is working on a quick shifter that should be available as a PowerPart. We will first offer the quick shifter when it complies with our quality requirements and only when it enhances the overall riding experience.

9. When is the first service required?
The first service becomes due at 1000 km, afterwards every 15000 km or every year. To preserve the voluntary manufacturer´s warranty it´s necessary to have the annual service carried out by an authorized dealer.

10. What´s the top speed oft he KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R?
Homologated top speed: 290 km/h

11. Does the engine fit into a KTM RC8 R?
Basically, the engine would fit into the RC 8 R, however the engine is in no way adapted to components like the airbox, mechanic throttle valve body, exhaust system, etc. The effort of application would be tremendous.

12. Can the KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R keep up with Superbikes?
On the road - yes. Thanks to the riding dynamic and the qualities of chassis, engine and electronic systems. Even on the race track the new 1290 SUPER DUKE R is fast - at test rides we drew level with Superbikes - with advantages on slower sections and a slight disadvantage in faster routes (as the aerodynamic disadvantage of the naked SD compared to any full-faired Superbike increase at high speed). But the riding enjoyment is incredible – no matter which road or track.

13. Is it possible to do a wheelie on the KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R?
Even with activated traction control the front wheel can be lifted in a controlled manner. Depending on the chosen mode the front wheel will catch for safety reasons prior to the achievement of a certain degree of the wheelie. With traction control disabled wheelies are possible at any time – even up to 180 degree.

290kmh!!

SuperHoon

2013-10-31 10:08:00 UTC

Now this just goe's to show the basic mentality of people on this site,,,,you see the "BEAST" video , and suddenly it's you in the saddle smokin the tyre down a deserted road with not a care in the world,,,yeah right,,,,slog on my friend, in rush hour traffic,,,could be you'll be like the many RC8 guy's that get it into third gear and slog around until "track day" where you can finaly use the full potential of your bike and use the thing up top at redline,,,,,,

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2013-10-31 10:24:00 UTC

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2013-10-31 10:27:00 UTC

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2013-10-31 11:12:00 UTC

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2013-10-31 11:35:00 UTC

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2013-10-31 11:39:00 UTC

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MrZ32

2013-10-31 11:45:00 UTC

But I want my bike to be jet fighter loud! !!!!

Rc8 akra kit it is then. .. im sure it can fit.

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2013-10-31 12:15:00 UTC

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2013-10-31 12:16:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-10-31 12:28:00 UTC

if we're looking at a straight EUR - USD conversion, that's almost $22,000usd. fook that lol. better be around 16k at the most

shadowman

2013-10-31 13:33:00 UTC

Pissed in a mates pub car park having a wheelie contest on an automatic step through moped (yes they can wheelie)

Alan my mate (not the pub owner) got it about verticle, somehow swerved to one side and rode into the glass back door. The bike became wedged in the door frame aproximatly where the glass used to be and the rest of us declared him the clear winner.....

Other improbable bikes on which wheelies have featured include an xs1100, guzzy 500 and 400 superdream.

God I'm old!!

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2013-10-31 15:52:00 UTC

Powerparts price list

KTM Item number Description GB Beschreibung DE
Retail Price Û
without VAT
60304937000 SWINGARM BOLT COVER SET SCHWINGARMBOLZEN-ABDECKUNGSSET 29,66
60312964044 HEATED GRIPS HEIZGRIFFSET 165,83
61002055060 CLUTCH RESERVOIR COVER KUPPLUNGSRESERVOIRDECKEL 21,17
61012932000 RADIAL ROADLOK RADIAL ROADLOK 254,15
60313909000 BRAKE FLUID RESERVOIR COVER BREMSFL†SSIGKEITSBEH€LTER-DECKEL 38,17
61302931044 CLUTCH LEVER (ARTICULATED/ADJUSTABLE) KUPPLUNGSHEBEL
(KLAPP- UND VERSTELLBAR) 132,50
60313950044 BRAKE LEVER (ARTICOULATED/ADJUSTABLE) BREMSHEBEL (KLAPP- UND VERSTELLBAR) 132,50
61303937044 ADJUSTABLE FOOTREST SYSTEM FUSSRASTENANLAGE VERSTELLBAR 415,65
61303945044 FRAME CRASH PROTECTOR RAHMENSTURZPAD-SET 150,00
61305979000 AKRAPOVIC SLIP-ON SILENCER AKRAPOVIC SLIP-ON ENDD€MPFER 665,83
61305984044 EXHAUST BRACKET ENDD€MPFERHALTER TBD
61305999000 AKRAPOVIC EVO EXHAUST AKRAPOVIC EVOLUTION KOMPLETTANLAGE 1.915,84
61307908000 RACING FUEL CAP TANKSCHNELLVERSCHLUSS 115,83
61307911000 TANK PAD TANKPAD 29,08
61307940000 ERGO SEAT ERGO SITZBANK 124,17
61307940044 PILLION SEAT COVER SOZIUSSITZABDECKUNG 125,00
61307947000 PILLION ERGO SEAT ERGO SOZIUSSITZBANK 83,33
61307947500 RACE SEAT RACE SEAT TBD
61308915000 LICENSE PLATE HOLDER SHORT KENNZEICHENTR€GER KURZ 125,00
61308908044 TOURING WINDSHIELD TOURING WINDSCHILD 99,92
61309960000 WAVE BRAKE DISC 320 MM BREMSSCHEIBE "WAVE" 320 MM 199,17
61311946044 SIDE STAND REMOVAL KIT SEITENST€NDER-DEMONTAGEKIT 16,91
61312905033 STEERING DAMPER KIT LENKUNGSD€MPFERKIT 296,65
61312925000 SIDE BAGS SEITENTASCHENSET 550,00
61312925044 SIDE BAG CARRIER SEITENTASCHENTR€GER 60,00
60312953000 ABS DONGLE ABS DONGLE 74,17
61312978000 REAR BAG SMALL HECKTASCHE KLEIN 91,58
61312992044 GPS BRACKET GRUNDTR€GER F†R GPS-HALTER 74,17
61313932044 BRAKE LEVER GUARD "RACE STYLE" BREMSHEBELSCHUTZB†GEL "RACE STYLE" 99,17
61313931044 CLUTCH LEVER GUARD "RACE STYLE" KUPPLUNGSHEBELSCHUTZB†GEL "RACE STYLE" 99,17
61329955000 SINGLE ARM STAND HINTERRAD-HEBEVORRICHTUNG EINARMSCHWINGE 140,00
62010965118 CHAIN BLACK SCALE 525 KETTE 525 "BLACK SCALE" 127,42
69013962000 REAR BRAKE RESERVOIR CAP FUSSBREMSZYLINDER-DECKEL 25,42
69130986044 CARBON CLUTCH COVER PROTECTION KARBON-KUPPLUNGSDECKELSCHUTZ 109,65
69330985044 CARBON IGNITION COVER PROTECTION KARBON-GENERATORDECKELSCHUTZ 114,67
6130199904404 TRIPPLE CLAMP "RACE" GABELBR†CKE "RACE" 415,83
6130495000049 CARBON SPLASH PROTECTION AND CHAINGUARD KARBON-SPRITZ- UND KETTENSCHUTZ 332,50
6130591100049 CARBON EXHAUST COVER KARBON-AUSPUFFABDECKUNGSSET 124,16
6130795800049 CARBON IGNITION COVER PROTECTION KARBON-Z†NDSCHLOSSABDECKUNG 165,83
6130891000049 CARBON FENDER FRONT KARBON-KOTFL†GEL VORNE (VORDERTEIL) 220,00
6900811000049 CARBON FRONT FENDER KARBON-KOTFL†GEL VORNE 220,91
6903006000049 CARBON FRONT CHAINGUARD KARBON-KETTENRITZELABDECKUNG 84,92
61308999000 GRAPHICS KIT "RACING" GRAFIKKIT "RACING" 132,50
61309999000 RIM STICKER SET FELGENRINGAUFKLEBER-SET 24,92
60112035000 ALARM SYSTEM ALARMANLAGE 254,15
61312928000 REAR BAG BIG HECKTASCHE GROSS 133,25

Race Bike like ridden in Ascari Circuit Dunlop KR108 Ntec Slicks
192 HORSEPOWER, MINUS SIX KG!

Retail Price Û without VAT
61302931044 CLUTCH LEVER (ARTICULATED/ADJUSTABLE) KUPPLUNGSHEBEL
(KLAPP- UND VERSTELLBAR) 132,50
60313950044 BRAKE LEVER (ARTICOULATED/ADJUSTABLE) BREMSHEBEL (KLAPP- UND VERSTELLBAR) 132,50
61303937044 ADJUSTABLE FOOTREST SYSTEM FUSSRASTENANLAGE VERSTELLBAR 415,65
61312905033 STEERING DAMPER KIT LENKUNGSD€MPFERKIT 296,65
61303945044 FRAME CRASH PROTECTOR RAHMENSTURZPAD-SET 150,00
61305999000 AKRAPOVIC EVO EXHAUST AKRAPOVIC EVOLUTION KOMPLETTANLAGE 1.915,84
61307908000 RACING FUEL CAP TANKSCHNELLVERSCHLUSS 115,83
60312953000 ABS DONGLE ABS DONGLE 74,17
61313932044 BRAKE LEVER GUARD "RACE STYLE" BREMSHEBELSCHUTZB†GEL "RACE STYLE" 99,17
61313931044 CLUTCH LEVER GUARD "RACE STYLE" KUPPLUNGSHEBELSCHUTZB†GEL "RACE STYLE" 99,17
69130986044 CARBON CLUTCH COVER PROTECTION KARBON-KUPPLUNGSDECKELSCHUTZ 109,65
69330985044 CARBON IGNITION COVER PROTECTION KARBON-GENERATORDECKELSCHUTZ 114,67
6130199904404 TRIPPLE CLAMP "RACE" GABELBR†CKE "RACE" 415,83
6130495000049 CARBON SPLASH PROTECTION AND CHAINGUARD KARBON-SPRITZ- UND KETTENSCHUTZ 332,50
6130591100049 CARBON EXHAUST COVER KARBON-AUSPUFFABDECKUNGSSET 124,16
6130891000049 CARBON FENDER FRONT KARBON-KOTFL†GEL VORNE (VORDERTEIL) 220,00
6900811000049 CARBON FRONT FENDER KARBON-KOTFL†GEL VORNE 220,91
6903006000049 CARBON FRONT CHAINGUARD KARBON-KETTENRITZELABDECKUNG 84,92
61308999000 GRAPHICS KIT "RACING" GRAFIKKIT "RACING" 132,50
61309999000 RIM STICKER SET FELGENRINGAUFKLEBER-SET 24,92

WP SUSPENSION (PRICE WITHOUT VAT)
FORK INTERNALS CLOSE CARTRIDGE: 1500 Û
WP RACE SHOCK: 1200 Û

Lowrance

2013-10-31 16:01:00 UTC

I like in the FAQ their answer to 'are the bicolour rims available' they say 'yes the orange wheels with racing stickers are available'. I don't think they understood the question lol.

Ugh, that Akra EVO is gonna be 2500 US.

Gimme the exhaust, race triples, solo tail, and frame/axle sliders and I'm set. Someone else will make a much cheaper fender eliminator.

AGRO!

2013-10-31 18:19:00 UTC

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2013-10-31 20:07:00 UTC

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2013-10-31 20:11:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-10-31 21:03:00 UTC

Just think if they kept those clocks smaller it might have cracked 300!

fewtrees

2013-11-01 00:42:00 UTC

I'd like to be able to dial in the max wheelie angle so I can twist the throttle to 100% and it won't loop itself and I can look like a mad stunta.

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2013-11-01 01:42:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-11-01 02:15:00 UTC

Those Akra cans being offered are fooking ugly! nothing can make them look good period. Hope FMF comes up with something good like they did the 2nd Gen SD. Also hope someone makes an under-subframe plate holder. Thank God they have those sexy wheels on the plate

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2013-11-01 05:55:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-11-01 09:58:00 UTC

Euro no tax, GBP no tax, GBP with tax.

GBP is worth about 1.6 USD just now. www.xe.com for exact rate.

Lowrance

2013-11-01 10:04:00 UTC

In other words, expensive as fook lol

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2013-11-01 12:11:00 UTC

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2013-11-02 06:10:00 UTC

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2013-11-02 08:24:00 UTC

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2013-11-02 08:53:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-11-02 23:18:00 UTC

I wonder if KTM's collaboration with Bosch for the MTC will be restrictive when it comes to updates, mods etc.
The Aprilia APRC was developed entirely "in house" as I understand.

AGRO!

2013-11-02 23:36:00 UTC

Hey Mrz I have been thinking of this idea for a long time wheelie control not just on the new SD.
But as a ad on to any bike but I think the bike would have to be fly by wire or maybe set to the rev limiter.

Jody

2013-11-03 08:54:00 UTC

I tried the v 4 too homo when they first came out, The wheelie control was fooking awful, lift the front a little way and then all of a sudden, cuts out, wheel slams to the floor, nuts slam into the tank

Lowrance

2013-11-03 09:47:00 UTC

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scamb66

2013-11-03 11:10:00 UTC

Got to have a sit on one today the Perth Motorcycle and scooter show, heart was racing and got a little bit of a chubby.
First impressions were good, orange is a nice shade (still ordered a black one but it got me thinking) little shorter than a old skool SD, I can flat foot it with both feet (tip toes on both normally), seat is comfier than an SDR but not as good as a twin seat SD (livable) ergo's suit me well , not a lot of difference to the old model.
Price appears to be A$25 000 on road.
All in all I am really happy with the decision to order one and now cant wait for March. You lucky bastards that get a December delivery.

AGRO!

2013-11-03 11:23:00 UTC

Where are your black and red boots

AGRO!

2013-11-03 11:28:00 UTC

I reckon the insurance companies are going to have a field day with this bike

scamb66

2013-11-03 11:38:00 UTC

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2013-11-03 12:19:00 UTC

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2013-11-03 12:45:00 UTC

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scamb66

2013-11-03 13:25:00 UTC

Actually smaller than it looks. Same size as the current SD really. Build quality looks solid.
Got a little starry eyed and excited and didnt really take in the detail like I should have.
Demos are doing the rounds here in Perth for a week and then going to the next show (Brisbane?)
As for delivery they are saying Feb but think it will be more like March.

Walked past Charlie Borman having a chat with a couple of guys. Fat and happy as you would be.

stalker

2013-11-03 20:09:00 UTC

well done scamb

but i gotta ask . . . .. is it the camera lens making your forehead look that big ?

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2013-11-03 20:32:00 UTC

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2013-11-04 00:59:00 UTC

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2013-11-04 02:31:00 UTC

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2013-11-04 05:39:00 UTC

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2013-11-04 06:45:00 UTC

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scamb66

2013-11-04 08:05:00 UTC

When you think about it its up in the price range of a ducati street fighter.
The price of a Ducati is the reason I will not buy a Ducati.

MrZ32

2013-11-04 08:41:00 UTC

'Made in India' ok for the 125/200/290 commuters not so keen to see it on the 1290.

This gonna start another rift like the pre/post 07 models?

Ruprecht

2013-11-04 09:45:00 UTC

I know I will not buy an indian made bike. .. I will however buy one of the austrian ones. Screw the cost, india's metallurgy is even worse than china's... and that stuff is crap.

fatbob

2013-11-04 10:39:00 UTC

Has KTM officially said anything about moving the production of larger models to India though?

Jody

2013-11-04 11:03:00 UTC

Talking of price. £14k is a bit too high, and in 2010 the price of the 990 went from about £8,500 up to about £10,200, and with a combination of that not so desirable
colour scheme, (white frame and camo paint), not many sold. I cant remember seeing more than one of those since they came out.I think they will sell a few 1290's but think the price will drop down after the first year, and depreciation is a big factor. I cant wait to see it in the flesh at my local dealer though

gringo

2013-11-04 15:09:00 UTC

Talking of residual values , I took my 1190 to my dealers for its 600 mile service , Ive had it 4 weeks and with heated grips and the akra I paid £14005 to the penny.
So that 4 wks and 600 miles.............They offered me around 10K for it!!!!!!!!!!!!! needless to say I am certain the 1290 will loose money like fook considering Ive lost a grand a week so far ( admittedly some of it is VAT but fook me with a shitty stick) , I'm gonna keep the fooker for a while yet , besides I had a right laugh in the pissing rain on a muddy lane this weekend on it , so looks like I am waiting till March next year when I have saved a bit......
Unless the resale value issue doesn't go away of course

prikkie

2013-11-04 19:04:00 UTC

This should be my bike look like

Ruprecht

2013-11-04 19:38:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-11-04 20:02:00 UTC

Can't wait to ride them all!

MrZ32

2013-11-04 21:40:00 UTC

So far the only new real naked bikes are the 1290, monster and z1000... The bmw and tuono are not naked bikes, they are de tuned sports bikes missing some panels... They may be quick but if I wanted a bike like that I would buy one of the full fat sport bikes that has been low sided already

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2013-11-04 22:31:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-11-05 03:02:00 UTC

Yamaha will be releasing a litre class version of their triple....it'sjust a matter of when.

The info on the Monster makes special mention of a metal tank...you'd think the other euro manufacturers would get wise and follow suit.

Crotch, what was your S1000RR's tank made from, steel or plastic?

Lowrance

2013-11-05 03:14:00 UTC

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2013-11-05 04:11:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-11-05 07:03:00 UTC

Just got a call from the dealer asking if I wanted the black or orange.. I went with black. Wish I could of seen them both in the flesh first.

SuperHoon

2013-11-05 07:16:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-11-05 08:43:00 UTC

Sydney and the dealer is ProCycles. This bike can't come quick enough, I just hope the black looks as good in person as the pics.

SuperHoon

2013-11-05 08:51:00 UTC

wonder what the last special is?

when do we find out who wins the bikes?

chip

2013-11-05 09:16:00 UTC

I hope Nerd and Dribble win bikes. Lord knows they need something happy in their lives

fuel

2013-11-05 10:01:00 UTC

new video

Superdan

2013-11-05 10:45:00 UTC

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2013-11-05 11:09:00 UTC

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2013-11-05 11:45:00 UTC

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2013-11-05 12:21:00 UTC

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2013-11-05 12:54:00 UTC

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fuel

2013-11-05 14:20:00 UTC

I'd like to say that the tuono and the BMW look like shed bikes,something that's left from a crashed bike made into a naked!Dont get me wrong I had made a few my self and they were awesome but that's not what I want a factory to offer me.The SD are is the most original naked bike ever built from a factory!

Ruprecht

2013-11-05 14:47:00 UTC

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2013-11-05 16:10:00 UTC

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Crotchrockety

2013-11-05 18:26:00 UTC

Apparently the s1000r has optional semi-active suspension, which I think is unique for the class.
Besides that, detuned to 158hp, 2000rpm lower rev limit and the same peak torque but 7ft lbs more in most of the rev range. Basically the same weight as the S1000RR too.

Lowrance

2013-11-06 03:00:00 UTC

Giving up 35bhp for a mere 7lb/ft of torque does not seem like a fair trade.

Road or rain modes??? There must be an SP version coming along, that's the only logical reason BMW would've, should've neutered this bike so badly (unless they are understating the numbers for insurance purposes).

Sorry....HP version.

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2013-11-06 03:44:00 UTC

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fatbob

2013-11-06 11:40:00 UTC

the naked ZX10R could be a real dark horse i reckon.
Superstock is almost the Kawasaki cup nowadays........really fast bike too.
Think the 1290 could well be the slowest bike at this rate

BassAgent

2013-11-06 12:11:00 UTC

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2013-11-06 12:17:00 UTC

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MrZ32

2013-11-06 12:38:00 UTC

Why is ktm always so crap on the delivery side of things.

Btw... checked out the mt09 today. .. fantastic looking bike but suspension is so crap its not funny

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2013-11-06 12:48:00 UTC

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2013-11-06 13:09:00 UTC

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2013-11-06 14:24:00 UTC

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2013-11-06 15:06:00 UTC

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2013-11-06 20:26:00 UTC

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2013-11-06 20:30:00 UTC

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2013-11-06 21:39:00 UTC

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Superdan

2013-11-06 23:45:00 UTC

!!!!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkX9KnEzQTA[/youtube]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkX9KnEzQTA

SDNerd

2013-11-07 00:19:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-11-07 00:28:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-11-07 06:49:00 UTC

Another first ride report...this time from Cycle News (US). Pretty good read

http://cyclenews.uberflip.com/t/24308

Lowrance

2013-11-07 08:16:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-11-07 09:31:00 UTC

Saw that. I'm here in Aus at the moment and bought the issue. Good read but a little baffeled by the 0-100KPH time of 3.9 seconds. That's slower than my current 990 SD. Must be that damn MTC kicking in.

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2013-11-07 09:38:00 UTC

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MrZ32

2013-11-07 09:41:00 UTC

A 10.9 1/4 mile? Shouldn't it be low 10's or high 9s?

scamb66

2013-11-07 12:07:00 UTC

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2013-11-07 13:56:00 UTC

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2013-11-07 14:17:00 UTC

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2013-11-07 19:42:00 UTC

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2013-11-07 20:03:00 UTC

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2013-11-07 22:54:00 UTC

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2013-11-07 23:42:00 UTC

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2013-11-08 00:04:00 UTC

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2013-11-08 00:21:00 UTC

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2013-11-08 01:23:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-11-08 01:51:00 UTC

Which video are you referring to?

Lowrance

2013-11-08 01:58:00 UTC

Last post on page 70.

Reuperts original post is a few above that. The video link isin the text of the write up.

Ruprecht

2013-11-08 03:50:00 UTC

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2013-11-08 05:53:00 UTC

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Davo-Singapore

2013-11-08 06:01:00 UTC

Clutch PASC™ anti-hopping clutch/ hydraulically operated..... sorry if I've missed this if its been covered here before. What do we know about the slipper? Wonder why they've dropped Suter.. Have I missed something? Hey ho.

ktmguy

2013-11-08 09:01:00 UTC

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2013-11-08 09:19:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-11-08 09:41:00 UTC

Anyhow, I think KTM should get their finger out and get it in the showroom if they want to sell bikes not only to KTM afficionados but to other people too.
So far since the launch there has been the BMW naked, now the monster 1200 and the kwak...
I guess in the ADV market BMW is selling as there are no ADV1190 available in Aus or the states.
The Duke 390, availability to be advised...(no one knows)
Beats me what the marketing strategy is but in my opinion it's a bad one!
Strictly my opinion but I won't buy a bike that I haven't seen and I don't consider being KTM's or the local dealers bank by putting a deposit down for no one knows how many months.

SO KTM GET IT IN THE SHOWROOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fatbob

2013-11-08 09:42:00 UTC

[quoteI like the wholly mechanical slipper though and wonder if the confidence would be there to chug down the gears flying into T1, 4 and 9 at Sepang with my eyeballs popping out of my visor and a brownish stain in my leathers relying on an electronically activated, hydraulically actuated clutch....][/quote]

I take it that the brown stain is from the 98% humidity up there, better you than me.

shadowman

2013-11-08 12:32:00 UTC

Its not a proper slipper , its nothing like , still does the job and doesn't lock the bike up ( well on my ADV anyway and its the same description), dont expect it to be anything like an Suter

Blackduke77

2013-11-08 14:55:00 UTC

For those in the UK Bike magazine in the UK has the 1290 on the front cover...

Twice as much torque as a Speed Tripple, more power than a Fireblade and weighs less than an ER-6N. I'm thinking they are going to like it......

SDNerd

2013-11-08 15:13:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-11-08 17:01:00 UTC

Perhaps a misunderstanding on my part, but I believe I read that the TC has no adjustability - does anyone know if this is accurate?

EDIT: Nevermind, here it is - http://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2014-kt ... -smileage/

"Traction Control is included, however there are no variables available to the rider; the TC is either on or off. I never felt the TC kick in, however on track at Ascari, the rear end would push out slightly on slow corner exits and yet it never got out of control. I assume that was the TC doing its thing, very unobtrusively."

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2013-11-08 19:53:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-11-08 20:03:00 UTC

Quite an impressive price tag, compared to 1290 )

AGRO!

2013-11-08 22:59:00 UTC

If the 1290 has twice the torque as a Speed Triple you might need to set a side at least $4000 just for back tyres every year.

Ruprecht

2013-11-08 23:58:00 UTC

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2013-11-09 05:15:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-11-09 07:33:00 UTC

Just come back from the Milan bike show (and a Ducati factory/museum trip on Thursday) the new super duke was the star of the show, I've been a bit unsure about its' looks in photos but in the flesh it looks luverly, they had several on the stand, a race kitted bike on slicks which looked really aggressive, and one kitted out with all the touring kit.
How long until they drop the price to 10k so I can afford one?

Lowrance

2013-11-09 15:55:00 UTC

Here's what I'd like my bike to look like in it's final form. I'm not happy with the released Akro pipes so pretty sure I'll wait for someone else to make a slashcut / shorty / underslung exhaust before changing the factory exhaust.

MrZ32

2013-11-09 20:41:00 UTC

Jemook,

That's a nice looking bike.The only thing I'd change is the orange mask around the headlight.I think the bike would look better in standard black.
Also,I really like the Akrapovic Evo system KTM are offering and would stick it on your ideal set up.
It's difficult to justify the expense of another set of wheels just to make the bike look good.As far as I know the orange wheels are the same spec as standard.
I'm actually torn between the looks of the bike you show here and the Race Spec orange bikes at the launch in terms of maximum visual,aural and performance appeal.
I'm a little disappointed that the new Superduke has lost the agility of the 990 and wonder if the WP race shock and fork cartridges would get us something more like the instant responses of the 990.Apparently, the race shock raises the rear end like the shock fitted to the previous SDR to increase the immediacy of turn in.I really liked the sharp handling of the 990 SDR.

Ruprecht

2013-11-09 21:24:00 UTC

If you want the bike to turn silly fast, you'll have the option to pull the forks up through the yolks by 5 or 10 mm.

I'd be quite happy to have a bit more stability myself.

Ruprecht

2013-11-10 02:18:00 UTC

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2013-11-10 02:21:00 UTC

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2013-11-10 05:15:00 UTC

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2013-11-10 05:18:00 UTC

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fatbob

2013-11-10 05:40:00 UTC

Peter Stevens Morphet Vale closed down, so Coast next door picked up KTM. I went with Moto Adelaide as I'm sure they will do a better deal than Kessner will while Roger the $$$ Nazi is in charge

Ruprecht

2013-11-10 05:43:00 UTC

A lot of comments that the 1290 is not hardcore enough, maybe KTM should have had a couple of journos killed on the launch, I know that would make me want to buy one.

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2013-11-10 23:19:00 UTC

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2013-11-11 07:56:00 UTC

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gringo

2013-11-11 08:11:00 UTC

Looks more like a dark grey, easily established against the black bodywork. I think it's much nicer than the normal metal grey color.

gringo

2013-11-11 10:22:00 UTC

well all i can say is that the bike is that good i went to the feria in Valencia twice to see it, once saturday then again sunday, very well put together, looks great in the flesh, i think the finishing is top level, nice details everywhere you look, some not so nice also but in general top marks, for me it would be a A-

sat on it also, very good neutral posistion, level of clocks just right, bars nice, balls not too far in the tank. sat on it and the bike just screams take me and give me all you have got!!!! felt like i should grab the key and wheelie out of the feria and off into the mountains for some lust on the bends.

did not think much to the control set up for the modes etc, could have gone for a simple couple of switches or none at all jajajajjajaa.
messing around with them looks like they could stick or not work after a few rides in wet weather or a few washing.

cheap looking sprung to mind regrds the mode buttons but the rest of the bike very good.

if only the price was not set so high, 15,479.00 euros, dealer has lowered to 14,500.00 but if he wont go down to to say 13,900.00 then i shall be getting something else untill the price drops.

my last two purchases have been off the mark, had the 08 sd for two years, then the rc8 for two years then last september a new sm990r which i stupidly changed for a vfr1200 in may and that was a mistake, good bike but not for me, the vfr went las friday at a cheap price and now for the first time in my 25 years of bikieng i have no bike!!!

41KS

2013-11-11 18:07:00 UTC

latest fro the dealer, 14,200.00 euros and i think thats his final price........

likely to be be end of this month or december delivery, not sure what to do.

would get an orange one as it looked very good alhough im sure the black one is also good looking.

the fine details are very well thougt out. i think i may get one and just man up jajajaja

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2013-11-11 21:46:00 UTC

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2013-11-11 21:58:00 UTC

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2013-11-11 22:00:00 UTC

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gringo

2013-11-11 23:02:00 UTC

*Second... Although you might well have got the first order in for black - I only confirmed colour choice a week ago. Sorry!

More than 7 sleeps just depresses me so I try not to count.

Edit - Reading comprehension may have failed me - do you mean you've ordered the third out of the December batch, or one of the first of the March batch?

Ruprecht

2013-11-13 02:19:00 UTC

The 1290r is going to be at http://www.australianmotorcycleexpo.com.au/ this weekend. Looking forward to seeing it in the flesh for the first time!

gringo

2013-11-13 12:58:00 UTC

Some walk arounds of the accessorised 1290 Super Dukes from EICMA.

gringo

2013-11-13 13:43:00 UTC

The more I see it the more I like it

Even the standard exhaust doesn't look too bad to me.

In a few years time I can see a nicely modified version sitting on my drive.....

gringo

2013-11-13 21:18:00 UTC

Just got to the UK today and picked up the new copies of PB, FB and B....all three have write ups on the 1290. PB's take on the bike reads pretty well but still highlighted issues I've mentioned in previous posts (TC/Anti-wheelie control, etc).

Forgot how good these rags are (PB was my favorite back in the day). New journos in PB but the content and photos are still so much better than the shit rags we have in the states.

Can't wait to read the other two. Especially looking forward to FBs opinion. They've got the 2014 Tuono impressions in the same edition.

Ruprecht

2013-11-13 22:09:00 UTC

You forgot to pick up Motorcycle Sport and Leisure .

enigma990

2013-11-14 09:31:00 UTC

well i am down to the superduke and the tuono V4, 2200 euros difference between the two, want to make my mind up this week, not sure which way to go although my heart says ktm.

Lowrance

2013-11-14 09:53:00 UTC

Fast Bikes review puts it very well IMO,

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2013-11-14 19:19:00 UTC

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shadowman

2013-11-14 19:24:00 UTC

There we have it then.

If you find the bike is unable to pull and sustain a 110 MPH wheelie its clearly more to do with you being a tallentless pussy than any deficiency in the machine

He is good isn't he!!

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2013-11-14 19:48:00 UTC

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2013-11-14 22:02:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-11-14 22:17:00 UTC

Still thinking about EVO 4 from a RC8
But what about the ground clearance........
Dimensions of the engine are the same as a RC8.
It could fit!

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2013-11-15 01:00:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-11-15 02:47:00 UTC

yeah once these bikes are out for a little while i reckon there will be plenty of options. loud options.

those wheelies make me smile.

MrZ32

2013-11-15 02:53:00 UTC

God I wish they'd just start selling them already.!!!!!
This thread is so fn boring anymore with all the
speculation and I wishes...

gringo

2013-11-15 03:55:00 UTC

Dealer Launch from Sweden (It's mostly in English. A little quiet though).

Probably the most interesting point for me was at about 9:00 into the second video. They are discussing the power parts and McWilliams mentions that he helped develop a more direct throttle response as part of the map to work with the Akra pipe.

jjlester_74

2013-11-15 06:08:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-11-15 11:27:00 UTC

today is the day i have to decide do i buy or not, last price is €14,200.00

orange would be the color and delivery end of month but i think more likely december?

the only thing holding me back is the price..................

SDNerd

2013-11-15 12:03:00 UTC

I think as best price
Ask to my delaer best price as €14800
Your discount as €1460
Think as ok

Colonel_Klinck

2013-11-15 12:56:00 UTC

Fast Bikes does Ascari...

Motorcycle.com Review

Lowrance

2013-11-15 17:19:00 UTC

While I don't put a lot of stock into the audio quality of these videos, the thing sounds like ninja 650 (parallel twin) to me ...

Ruprecht

2013-11-15 18:50:00 UTC

Jeremy McWilliams riding Ascari with KTM 1290 Super Duke R track bike.

Man that looks insane fun and it wheelies like a mofo

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2013-11-15 18:55:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-11-15 19:36:00 UTC

I feel that I must echo some of the opinions voiced here and confess to being a little disappointed in the initial write-ups which suggest the bike has been made too user friendly-------I have read several reviews now and get a feeling that the testers have been slightly underwhelmed.
I bought my previous super duke, super duke r and rc8r because they were a bit leftfield and offered exactly the involvement I wanted and while they were all bought without a test ride, I don't think that will apply to the new 1290.
I also don't follow the logic of softening the power delivery of what should be an outstanding engine for purposes of usability and then fit as standard a supermoto setting in the abs .
I wonder if ktm's attempt to woo a wider group of riders means that the hooligan element that appealed to the original ktm customer is now a thing of the past.

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2013-11-15 19:43:00 UTC

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2013-11-16 02:43:00 UTC

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Megatron09

2013-11-16 08:01:00 UTC

Just can't wait to get mine! It's gonna be good! No test ride, just get it n go!

shadowman

2013-11-16 09:10:00 UTC

Little surprised by your post Bic.

I also had many of the old bikes you mention and also spent ages in the garage bolting all manner of stuff to them in often ill fated attempts ti overcome their deficiencies. Nostalgia is a funny thing, we easily remember the empowering aspects of simplicity while forgetting its limitations.

What your post doesn't mention is that by modern standards most of those bikes were crap! Don't believe me? Go ride one now. Without exception every 70's / early 80's throw back I have chucked a leg over has surprised me with how bad the ride is. Skinny tyres, poor suspension, awful brakes etc etc. Not one has ever lived up to my rose tinted memories from years gone by.

I'm certainly not arguing that more is always better - it isn't. Less can be more - that also is true. These facts in no way invalidate the bigger point which is that better is better - it just is. Full stop.

I for one am very grateful for the must have consumer impulse fitted to so many. It's their spending that provides the resource to employ for example talented product and industrial designers who help deliver the aesthetic and functional improvements we all get to enjoy. This very impulse (to have the latest thing) will deliver a modded 1290 into my garage for half tbe new sale price in a couple of year's time.

Do I want 67 stage programmable TC - no. Do I want faster, lighter, better stopping, nicer looking bikes - yes please.

The current SD is itself a development of earlier inovation - we are all standing on the shoulders of giants in so many ways.

So I have to disagree with the thrust if your argument. If you want a piece of mechanical plasticine that allows you demonstrate your spanner twirling brilliance as you seek to mitigate its many shortciming then a 70's bike is perfect. If on the other hand you want to jump on and spank it on a ride to see your employment lawyers in Oxford out accelerating, out braking and being generally outrageous with a fair chance of getting there and back then something more recent like you SD is the better choice by far!!!

Now go watch that McWilliams video again and if it doesn't make you smile then perhaps you are truely lost to the brat pack style over substance scene. I hope not as I enjoy your posts here.

chip

2013-11-16 10:13:00 UTC

Just one Orange example. Static display failed to live up to the marketing hype for me.

41KS

2013-11-16 10:22:00 UTC

Fancy KTM building a bike that has butter smooth fuelling and suspension that doesn't want to throw you into a hedge every time you hit a bump, KTM has sold out, shame on you KTM.

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2013-11-16 10:51:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-11-16 11:38:00 UTC

My father-in-law likes to provoke me by saying "there hasn't been a decent bike built after 1955".
To try to put that into perspective I probably take Shadowman's view that this statement means brakes that didn't work, lights that didn't work, seals that didn't work and basically engines that didn't work for half the time. That said, there was plenty of time for tinkering with the bike - indeed whole life-times to be spent learning the black magic art of tuning for performance and attempting to get get points Etc working correctly for extended periods. Shadowman is correct in saying that the old bikes we reminisce about were shite. In contrast, the bikes produced since the Japanese taught us about technology are well designed, ridable, reliable, powerful blah, blah, blah...

To me the great advances that make say the 2005+ SD so good are Electrics (Lights, Starting Etc), Fuel Injection (Power and Tuning), Frame and Suspension (Handling), Brakes and finally materials technology. In this package there was nothing too complex other than Fuel Injection. Personally, I don't find Fuel Injection too daunting because I understand the concept of a computer program looping in circles saying "how fast am I going, do I need to add more fuel, do I need to advance ignition Etc". Simple really but I have always felt a little nervous about the fact that every bike uses a different set of sensors and a different program for each bike. Why oh why? couldn't some standard have evolved so that they'd all be the same (yes I know about Magetti-Marelli Etc).

It seems to me that what Bic is on about is that he has realised that we are at the cross-roads in his life's journey with motor bikes. He has suddenly realised what the future holds. The future is high tech and most of us can't keep up with the technology. As such we move from tinkerers to simple consumers. The future is a place where the average punter has no fooking clue about how the bike works and how to make it better. Some punters will like this and merrily spend their time on bling rather than function.

There is no doubt the bikes will be better. The issue is whether some of us will miss the fact that we could apply a spanner. In the past I've known lots of good mechanics that had pet aversions - some didn't like electrics, some didn't like gearboxes, some didn't like suspension Etc. Ultimately, the world seemed to level out with specialists that would advise on topic such as suspension for example. Until now, that advice seemed understandable (new cartridge in the suspension Etc) and we just paid an expert do it. A major problem with the new world is that most of us don't understand electronic control systems - it scares us and we'd rather keep things simple. In reality all this stuff is pretty simple (ask Bert) it's just more sensors feeding more programs. The only smart bit is getting control systems to integrate (do their stuff properly with respect to other systems). From a riders perspective having the ability to just turn it all off is probably a good thing if it's not doing what one wants. If on the other hand it is "almost" perfect then the tinkering will have to be at a very high level. I doubt that most of the control systems will be accessible via programs like TuneECU. Personally, I'd love to tinker with traction control Etc but I suspect the box will have a label the reads "Caution: Modifying the contents could cause death". Such is life.

I wonder what control systems are used on the KTM race bikes.

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2013-11-16 12:09:00 UTC

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41KS

2013-11-16 13:19:00 UTC

There's nothing to stop Bic making the new superduke matt black all over and riding it slowly.

Again, this bike can do everything.

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2013-11-16 13:44:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-11-16 14:34:00 UTC

This place has got deep. Leave it to bic to pen the profound. Now we will watch the go crowd in defence mode. My tinkering will be limited to a past but never limited. I have to admit I am slowly being brought around to the newer faster better bike. The price tag is at a point that the new playground seem too guilty for my psyche to play in. Anyway this group around this thread all express themselves well and have valid insightful thoughts.
power wheelies in fourth gear sure add to the tempt.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-11-16 15:10:00 UTC

Everyone's got an opinion and is entitled to it. All I know is we can't deny that whoever gets to take one of these home will be smiling ear to ear leaving the dealership. I know I will be.

Lowrance

2013-11-16 15:16:00 UTC

for those of us concerned about what seems to be the electronic neutering of the 1290 motor here is a quote from performance bike magazine's journo who has just completed some laps on a standard s1000rr and marco melandri's wsb - "Thats the wonder of electronics for you - BMW's torque control system makes a 225 bhp WSB engine seem almost a disappointment when compared to a 190 bhp road bike."

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2013-11-16 15:20:00 UTC

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2013-11-16 17:43:00 UTC

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2013-11-16 17:46:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-11-16 17:51:00 UTC

If another manufacturer is/starts using this Keihin system then maybe we'll get a TuneECU for the 1290. If we get that I don't see a downside. Shit moves on, it always has. You're starting to sound like my grandad Bic

DribbleDuke

2013-11-16 18:14:00 UTC

Recon this will be my face the first time I hop on the 1290 and start it !

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2013-11-16 18:15:00 UTC

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2013-11-16 21:12:00 UTC

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2013-11-17 03:05:00 UTC

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DribbleDuke

2013-11-17 03:51:00 UTC

I venture to guess that you need something in place for that something to fail. KTM failed to deliver fueling that did not require "fixes" and BMW failed to deliver fueling that did not need fixing and then could not create the fix themselves. I have not ridden a fuel injected bike that fueled properly. Not one. I am certain that the day is just around the corner that a manufacturer will get it right. I am also sure that it getting it right I will understand less about it than the VERY limited understanding I have now. The thrill of tyre screeching power is hard to depress in my wants of a motorcycle and therefore the big numbers in regards to Newton and Horses are tough to squelch my enthusiasm. There have been a countable number of times that I have exited a turn and applied that perfect amount of throttle that allowed rear wheel turning. It is at this same time that the pucker instinct kicks in and it is a fight between survival instincts and confidence in my environment being stable that I am presented with. This is nirvana. The same can be said for back torque limiting rear wheel traction while there is little gription left at the back wheel in turn entry. Once again setting the rear end on a slightly different course than the front and also setting my comfort level on edge. The same reason I did not install a back torque limiter in the clutch assembly is pretty much the reason that it is hard for me to get excited about the traction control on the acceleration side. After all the slipper is traction control in mechanical wizardry.
I do not deny that the beauty in technology creates better preparedness in beating the environment at hand. My laughs inside my helmet exist from me beating the environment first hand. Loose the rear and tuck the front, its the world of single track, it also gets the heartbeat allfuckedup.

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2013-11-17 04:52:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-11-17 05:48:00 UTC

Took a couple of pics at the motor show.. I was a bit disappointed they didn't have the black one, would have been nice to compare. The 1290r Looks really edgy and futuristic in person, definitely the coolest bike at the show.

fatbob

2013-11-17 06:30:00 UTC

I actually like the orange one. since im keeping my SDR, i dont want two black bikes lol

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2013-11-17 10:10:00 UTC

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2013-11-17 10:42:00 UTC

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2013-11-17 14:48:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-11-17 15:11:00 UTC

Oh dear. Sory for all the trouble I've caused with my post. I was a bit drunk. .

What I was trying to say was that I was pondering whether the new generation of bikes like the 1290 will be sitting in the garages of bike enthusiasts in the future, cherished icons of motorcycling development. Not in two or five years but in 20 years time. Will these bikes with ECU's and ABS and traction control and anti-wheelie and fly-by-wire be capable of surviving and being economically maintained by your average biker in 2030? And, of course, you're right. Electronics and electrics and sealed black boxes have always been out of my comfort zone and therefor I am adverse to them although I appreciate what they offer and to their advantages - when they work. It's just when they stop working that I have a problem because no one seems to be able to fix them. The BMW analogy above is exactly what I'm talking about.

Another example is camera development. I have a lot of friends, some professionals who still rave about the old SLR cameras. They cherish their Pentax and Cannon bodies with their prized collection of lenses and filters. There's something entirely reassuring about the solid mechanisms and construction of these cameras. Even when the digital revolution more or less relegated these cameras to the bin true enthusiasts refused to give up on them, now choosing to retro fit digital backs and stuff onto them and keep them operational. I don't think many of them are as passionate about the new cameras - and they certainly don't revere the first and second generation of digital replacements. When they stopped working they were just binned. Manufacturers are increasingly making cameras that are not designed to last for long, the insides are sealed units and have less and less ability to be viably or economically repaired. I, myself have at least four compact cameras and at least five mobile phones sitting in drawers. All of them have intermittent problems or issues that make them unusable but non of them are repairable and non of them will ever function as a useful tool again.

I was just thinking that it would be sad if this was the way motorcycle evolution was going. I'm not an old stick-in-the-mud luddite. I'm a product designer by trade and an innovator at heart! but I'd like to think that people could be appreciating these bikes in years to come and if the obsession with electronic sophistication to manage ginormous power and make it manageable for the average person to use is what is needed then fine - just make it so that it lasts or can be easily upgraded so that the mechanical parts wont be forced into an early grave.

And of course I also think about the cost. At £14,000 this bike is more than double the price I paid for mine in 2007. Not sure if anything can justify this. If I was interested then I will definitely be one of those waiting for all the first buyers to take the financial hit, do the sensible mods, fit the best bling and then get bored and sell on.

That is all.

Ruprecht

2013-11-18 04:23:00 UTC

I understand where you are heading with that Bic and would normally be inclined to agree but looking back on my 06 SD it is the only bike that I have spent time and money on modifying thanks to the forum.
Like a lot of guys here I am now technical slouch and find fault finding, maintenance and even rebuilds etc none too worry some, even the electrical side is something I generally have a stab at.
Now when it come to re-mapping ECU and assorted black (box) magic it would have been something that I would not really attempted but with the collective minds on this forum it made it easy.
To think when the bike first came out 8 years ago that we would all playing around with it to this extent would not have been thought possible.
So with that in mind in a year or three some smart bugger on the forum here would have a lot of this sussed out and it will all be too easy.
Failing that in 20 years time just loop out the failing sensors, rip the throttle bodies off and fit a good old fashion carby............screw traction control.

AGRO!

2013-11-18 05:13:00 UTC

Good one Bic! After reading your first post I decided to cancel my order on the 1290 and now I read this
Dont worry mate I didn't really order the new SD Im thinking more of old tech bikes as well.

gringo

2013-11-18 07:37:00 UTC

I couldn't say if the 1290 SDR is going to become a cult classic.
I've got a couple of "the one that got away" stories to attest to my lack of prophetic vision in that regard (a pair of RZ500s, one wreck and one just needing an engine rebuild, which I could have taken for $500 in the early 90s is still a sore point).
I do remember people saying similar things about mass production and the "Jap Crap" of the 70s-80s though. You'd be hard pushed to dispute that those Kawasaki 2-stroke triples, RZs, Katanas, turbo bikes and humble SR400s are all classics now.
The electronics issue is a bit different to mass production of course, but a large part of the highly disposable nature of consumer electronics is the dramatic decreases in price and the exponential increases in performance. A matter of degree.
Imagine if bikes doubled in performance every two years (Moore's law)?
I don't think the increased incorporation of electronics will take bikes that far, and it certainly hasn't made them cheaper.
Motorcycle design tends to be very conservative anyway, I don't think the shift to EFI would have happened when it did if not for emissions requirements.
Electronics might be a different skill set, but even there people still find ways to keep old equipment running or to run old software on new hardware. Even to the point of nostalgia and collection.

Not that I think it's all sunshine and roses.
It's true that more complexity means more to go wrong, and that the engineering "black box" scenario (where you see and understand the inputs and outputs, but the exact process is opaque) makes it especially hard to diagnose faults which are intermittent and/or depend on very specific situations.
Some advances are more interesting to me than others as well. ABS and traction control might make things safer and easier, but active suspension offers something new and unrelated to rider skill levels.

Maybe it's because I was one of very few kids of my generation to have always had a computer at home (and no TV!), or because I work in IT, but I don't think electronics spells the end of bike collections or the beginning of disposable motorcycles.
Maybe I'll be more conservative and pessimistic when it comes to actual electric bikes. ("You'll have to take my internal combustion engine from my cold dead hands!" )

Ruprecht

2013-11-18 07:48:00 UTC

I used to own a RG500 I bought it brand new back in 85 for $5000 when I sold it I got $4800.
The dude who bought it said he would have given me what I paid for it as it was in show room condition.
I want it back

gringo

2013-11-18 10:39:00 UTC

first and foremost i understand the comments from Bic and respect the opinion, there is a place for evrything and everyone and at the end of it all we all like bikes. i can remember many weekends with my AR125 kwak in bits and me trying to put it all back in the correct order, these days i left with nothing much more than basic maintenance buit thats fine for me.

anyway back on track, i have now made the jump and dewly left my €1000 deposit for an orange sd! have to say that now i am excited about geting it but also somewhat aprehensive as for me its a lot of money for a naked a bike and also if i turn off the electronics i shall be paying extra for something i do not want and that is also annoying.

would hate to have paid money and then not like it or not be as impressed as i was during my two years with the sd from 2008!

on hindsight i should have also hung on with my rc8 until this day came, but i sold for a smr990 wich i enjoyed then made mistake number two and swapped for a vfr1200! i sold that a couple of weeks ago so i hope my mistakes are well and truly behind me.

even tho the vfr had no fancy electronics up top, it had plenty that controlled all sorts of things and made the bike ride somewaht electric and so i hope and pray that the new sd is nothing like this.

the dealer says it shall be delivered for the end of this month?

so i shall report on all the details the likes and dislikes and shall try to be as objective as possible without hiding things just beacuase i have paid out lots of euros..................

this shall be the first time in my 25 years of biking that i have bought a newly released model, worried and excited!

Ruprecht

2013-11-18 10:57:00 UTC

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gringo

2013-11-18 11:08:00 UTC

yep, two weeks but i expect the reality is more likely december although he has said that KTM have the first lot ready to ship to dealers on the 15th Novemeber and that they were waiting for the end of ECIMA before shipping so could be lucky!

to be honest i am very very nervous about this purchase!!!

ktmguy

2013-11-18 11:55:00 UTC

I am very very jealous! I have a three month wait!

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2013-11-18 11:56:00 UTC

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prikkie

2013-11-18 12:56:00 UTC

the dealer is fine and KTM sorted out my sd very quickly and without fuss when an engine valve went walk about with only 1000km on the clock. they also changed the adjuster on my rc8 for the forks when the bike was out of warranty, they would turn themselves when on track, not very good....... they put on the set from the 2011 rc8s and then no problems. had more faulta son my 09 rce than on the sd, did more track use on her but still was suprised at the faults.

will report back when i collect it and ride it to its new loving home jajajajaja

prikkie

2013-11-19 02:34:00 UTC

After all the press hipe and so on I look forward to someone actually riding the bloody thing.
Did anyone ride ione besides the press? Anyone??
I'm sure it's an amazing bike but I can only take all the press stuff with a grain of salt.
Hope you got your bike soon Gringo and enjoy taking it for a spin, look forward to the report!

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2013-11-20 01:58:00 UTC

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2013-11-20 21:22:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-11-21 09:42:00 UTC

A display(?) bike has been unveiled at a dealer in Finland

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2013-11-22 02:44:00 UTC

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Linga

2013-11-22 04:15:00 UTC

Assuming the 1290 SDR is on the homologated list (and I don't see why it wouldn't be) under 1.40 would be a new nakedbike lap record at Phillip Island.

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2013-11-22 04:30:00 UTC

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2013-11-22 05:31:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-11-22 07:03:00 UTC

formula xtreme don't race at phillip island these days so the naked record isn't really current. road racing over here is fooked up to say the least.

but i think the fastest lap by a RC8R was around a 1:35.4 by Shannon Johnson on the old surface, and the new one has been around the 2sec quicker mark.

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2013-11-22 07:56:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-11-22 10:00:00 UTC

Prolly BEARS F1.

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2013-11-22 10:26:00 UTC

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2013-11-22 10:40:00 UTC

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ferret990

2013-11-22 10:58:00 UTC

Hi, I'm new here. Joined up as I am intending to order a 1290SD.
I assume I am in the right thread, so here goes:
I have been trying to get answers to a couple of questions from KTM/dealers but no luck.
I currently have a 2010 SMT, and due to my work situation I use a KTM 46 litre top box for my helmet and jacket, etc while working.
Also useful when riding to track days for carrying spare fuel, tools etc. Easily removed when you get there, just leaving the base plate on the bike.
Hence I need a similar set up for the 1290. Helmet hanger is OK, but still need something on the large side to secure the other gear.
I notice on the pics of the "touring" 1290 set up there is small top box. I assume this would need to be attached to a base plate, similar to the SMT?
Can't tell from the promo pics if the top box/side bags mount is one unit. Not fussed about side bags, but don't want ugly brackets hanging off the bike when bags off/top box on.
No 1290 parts catalogue available yet, so in the dark a bit. It won't be a deal breaker, just keen to find out the options.
I don't know anyone with a SD; so what have you found in regard to fitting top boxes to the older SD's?
Cheers

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2013-11-22 11:27:00 UTC

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2013-11-22 17:56:00 UTC

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ferret990

2013-11-22 21:57:00 UTC

Thanks for that DMacL, will see how hard it is to modify to fit a large top box, otherwise probably go with the side bags.
No mention of the touring screen in that list, hopefully they realised how fugly it is and are changing it.
Trying to keep add-ons to a minimum - base price in Oz is about $26k ride away - ouch.
I reckon luggage, crash pads and tail tidy will do me. Race dongle?.....mmmmm

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2013-11-22 23:10:00 UTC

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ferret990

2013-11-23 02:00:00 UTC

The WP cartridge and shock along with the tripple clamps will be my first purchases when my bike is delivered....I can only hope they are relatively priced to ohlins

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2013-11-23 02:07:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-11-23 04:34:00 UTC

I am in Mount Gambier. Nearest dealer is Roe M/cycles in Warrnambool, Vic (200km away).
Otherwise Adelaide or Melbourne, but would rather support a smaller country dealer than one of the Peter Stephens outlets.
My SMT originally came from Kessner, I think they are they PS now?
I wish I was more patient so i could buy a low km used one in a year or so. Geez we are gunna take a hit when it comes time to sell.
Where are you Ruprecht?

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2013-11-23 04:59:00 UTC

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bic_bicknell

2013-11-23 15:40:00 UTC

I stopped off at P&M Motorcycles in Crawley this morning to enquire about getting a test ride on the new SD. They say they are expecting their first new SDs to arrive in December but that all the fist eight are already sold so none of them will be available as demo bikes, it seems like this is their policy - while they can sell them untested to people willing to pay deposits on untried bikes then they won't bother running a demo for people like me.

When I asked about the maybe demo bike and whether it would be offered for sale later the guy said really sharpish, "No, that's going to be mine!"

Oh, OK Mr.KTM sales guy, great service I thought.

so it looks like, at least in this area the first opportunity to have a go on the new SD is months and months away at best.

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2013-11-23 17:01:00 UTC

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MADDOG53

2013-11-23 19:18:00 UTC

http://www.1290superduker.com/cms/index.php?id=1

Ducati Pete

2013-11-23 21:33:00 UTC

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2013-11-23 22:09:00 UTC

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2013-11-23 22:26:00 UTC

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2013-11-23 22:53:00 UTC

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prikkie

2013-11-23 23:07:00 UTC

Today I got e really good offer from my dealer. Traded my bike in for a black SDR 1290 with akra system and some power parts.
Also was allowed to take it for a short spin.
AWESOME!
Have to wait till end of march 2014.
this will it look like also with the orange clamps

Ducati Pete

2013-11-23 23:43:00 UTC

The triples* are a different offset, the orange is a bonus.

From KTM : "Racing optic, more stability and feeling in the front end, faster cornering/improved handling, more stability during hard braking, less friction in the clamping range so suspension can't bind and high quality CNC machined orange anodised"

The bike is fast enough so I will wait for an aftermarket exhaust and a cheap dealer remap. Just need to make it turn faster with the suspension hard parts and a set of Carrozzeria wheels.

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2013-11-23 23:55:00 UTC

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2013-11-24 00:12:00 UTC

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2013-11-24 00:16:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-11-24 00:30:00 UTC

I'm a bit confused about all this talk about top triple clamp stuff.

With my ,albeit rudimentary mathematical mind, you cannot replace the top fork clamp with different geometry if you do not also replace the bottom part of the yolk with a matching set of geometry.

There is potential to raise/lower the position of the forks in the clamps to raise/lower the front end and rake of the bike, like the Nichols clamp does, but this does not alter the degree of rake in relationship to the frame.

What is this new part for the SD offer?

And if it's better why is it not standard??

Lowrance

2013-11-24 00:40:00 UTC

You are correct...you cannot change geometry unless you change the set.

scamb66

2013-11-24 02:29:00 UTC

I thought they were just orange and machined billet rather than cast.

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2013-11-24 03:54:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-11-24 04:23:00 UTC

Your missing the point they are ORANGE, so obviously way more expensive and heaps better than the originals.

Ruprecht

2013-11-24 04:30:00 UTC

They are a complete set, not just the top clamps. I am buying them off this premise, if that isn't the case then I wouldn't get them.

On a side note, from reading a fair chunk of this thread there seems to be two stand out types of posters: 1) The positive posters who are either buying one or await a 2nd hand one later on down the track 2) The negative posters who come across a tad toolish with a smidge of jealousy. But hey maybe I'm just looking into things too much Have a great weekend.

SDNerd

2013-11-24 04:58:00 UTC

Billet clamps should be better. Stiffer. No idea how much difference it makes on new bikes though. Can't imagine it's like sticking a fork brace on the old flexy flyers.
I wonder how much adjustment is in those rearsets as well. If they offer both more relaxed and more aggressive positions than stock.

Ruprecht

2013-11-24 05:14:00 UTC

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prikkie

2013-11-24 05:16:00 UTC

Is it possible to have too much corporate identity?

Edit: I don't think Don was referring to being cynical about orange bits.

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2013-11-24 06:19:00 UTC

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prikkie

2013-11-24 09:27:00 UTC

Because it was cold and the roads were a little damp I took it slow. The bike was in street mode and the rev. limiter was set on 7000 rpm.
Then a red light flashes.
The bike felt very stable and was easy to ride. Power everywhere. 6th gear you don't need. Compared to my SDR 990 you are sitting in the bike and not on top as all SD's. Wind deflection is really good.
My SDR 990 felt a little more nimble because of the offset of the forks so I ordered also the triple clamps for the new 1290 SDR.
Suspension felt good but couldn't nail it while cornering because of the new tyres and damp roads. Braking power is fierce.
My first impression is WOW this is awesome !
My dealer gives during november and december a 15% discount on the powerparts so I orderred;
Full Akra system
Triple clamps
ABS dongle
Crash pads
Frame protention
Rear seat cover
Carbon front fender
Tail tidy
Racing sticker set for the rims
Rims will be painted orange
Can't wait till march

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2013-11-24 09:57:00 UTC

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jmann

2013-11-24 10:37:00 UTC

I'm taking the stuff about the triples with a pinch of salt. If they have different offsets that will become apparent with the passage of time.

I've been waiting a long time for this bike to arrive and have had the money set aside for a year or two. While being excited about this bike I'm a bit bemused about the need to be the first kid on the block to have one. I'm certainly not getting one until I've actually ridden one. Eventually, of course, the dealers will be trying to move excess the stock that they have on the floor. Is KTM going to try to create some sort of exclusivity by only producing limited numbers? I think not. Whats the hurry it's been about five years in the making ...

Ruprecht

2013-11-24 11:22:00 UTC

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2013-11-24 12:17:00 UTC

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2013-11-24 16:46:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2013-11-24 17:46:00 UTC

Just seen the bike in the flesh at Bike Live, NEC UK.
It's nice but £14K

Ruprecht

2013-11-24 18:15:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-11-24 18:57:00 UTC

I can see the price dropping in 12 months time just the Tuhomo.

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2013-11-24 19:04:00 UTC

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2013-11-24 21:51:00 UTC

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Blackduke77

2013-11-25 01:43:00 UTC

Has anyone been able to confirm a U.S. price for it yet?

ktmguy

2013-11-25 04:40:00 UTC

I bet it's going to be around the same price as the rc8r. Gotta pay to play orange!

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2013-11-25 08:06:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-11-25 08:21:00 UTC

Jman and Rupercht you both can have a quick spin on mine if there are no demo's available

Superdan

2013-11-25 09:14:00 UTC

prikkie, thanks for the reassurance, first time i have ordered a bike before a test ride, the one they had at the show was quickly whisked off by ktm and so i had no chance to test ride it.

mine if i am lucky should be here for the end of this week so it will be next week when i get my hands on it, also there is a holiday next friday so i get three days to play around to be amazed or regretfull !!!!

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2013-11-25 11:00:00 UTC

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2013-11-25 12:25:00 UTC

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2013-11-25 12:58:00 UTC

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gringo

2013-11-25 13:09:00 UTC

Finally got my chance for a demo ride on the new Adventurer yesterday, had to take a putt and see if I'm old enough for something like this yet (in a word No).

Was impressed by the bike in some areas but a little let down by a couple of things which will be making their way onto the SD.

Will go into detail shortly with edited post...sorry got an important...

bic_bicknell

2013-11-25 13:22:00 UTC

SAME AS I POSted a couple of weeks back after seeing it here, controls looked cheap and like they could stick when used especially with gloves on, did not see the welds tho, may have had my rose tinted glases on tho.

those welds on the pics do like rough tho? like a school project........ especially the one to the right.

aaaarrrrgggghhhhhh i need some reassurance before getting mine, deposit is paid but...........

Ruprecht

2013-11-25 16:01:00 UTC

Only thing that interests me about the BMW is the dynamic suspension control (the price is nice of course).
Electronics which aren't compensating for rider skill.
I wonder whether the quality of suspension is as good as the WP stuff though, and how quality differences stack up against dynamic control in performance. Still, a minor detail in comparison to the heart of the beast.

bic_bicknell

2013-11-25 17:07:00 UTC

Just been reading through the official KTM literature for the 1290.

Whilst I am all for international brands and passionate copy that tries to evoke some emotion above the bland surely we are at the point where there is no excuse for prose that has been somewhat, 'lost in translation'. And if it's not because it was written in Austrian and then badly turned into English then it surely is some of the biggest drivel I've ever read - and remember I work in product design and have to regularly write and describe the aesthetic and functional benefits of something that most people might not appreciate by themselves and need it pointing out in an exciting way. Marketing being what it is.

Here's some examples that, honestly, make me cringe. Or cry. Or just stare in disbelief at the page.

To introduce their bike they say this...
"The BEAST, the animal, the force of nature, the revelation - mystic, wild and ready for battle".

It goes on. I can't do any more.

Anyway I might just send it to "Have I got news for you". They would love it.

Ducati Pete

2013-11-25 17:49:00 UTC

The RSV4 geometry is more relaxed than our superdukes, and it's easy to hustle through a tight section with some positive input at the bars.

I'm not surprised the new superduke has gone that way, and I'm not concerned by it. At the end of the day, if it's an issue for you, you can always pull the forks up through the yolks by 5 or 10mm.

Ruprecht

2013-11-25 18:19:00 UTC

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gringo

2013-11-25 18:20:00 UTC

excited now, dealer just told me my new sd has arrived!!!!!!!!!!! normaly a few days to register so should be good to go for this weekend!

trouble is the other half has a paddle tournament this sunday...............

Ruprecht

2013-11-25 18:23:00 UTC

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gringo

2013-11-25 18:32:00 UTC

"paddle" something that keeps the other half happy and content for a few hours!!!!!

i think in other countries it ,maybe called short tennis?

its tennis for people who dont want to move too far and at the same time look they are doing something.

played on a very small court with walls at the side and either end and betweeen four people.

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2013-11-25 18:39:00 UTC

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2013-11-25 18:45:00 UTC

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No. 47

2013-11-25 19:43:00 UTC

....padder tennis.

Megatron09

2013-11-25 20:02:00 UTC

I thought you meant this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFgR0m-9FmM

Lucky bugger getting your SD so soon!

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2013-11-25 21:05:00 UTC

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2013-11-25 21:14:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-11-25 21:21:00 UTC

Can of worms = OPENED!

prikkie

2013-11-25 21:26:00 UTC

Hah! Wasn't looking to start a debate over break in procedures.
Prikkie mentioned the bike he rode was limited to 7K rpm. I assume that's part of the factory break in drill, wondered if Gringo had been given more details yet (first service etc).

ferret990

2013-11-25 22:46:00 UTC

No, just be careful they said and have fun!
Conditions were not so good so I took it slow.........160 km/h on roads where only 60 is allowed. That look told us everything.
He and his wife both have a triumph speed triple then the salesmanager fired the question "are you selling your speed for the 1290"? Al there was, was silence. Hahahaha. He was completely sold.
That tells you everything about the beast.
Just buy it!
I always tell my friends "carpe diem" Tomorrow it can all be finished thats why I made the decision to buy the Beast.
Now wait until march and than its'my turn when the roads are dry and the temperature is up.

ebags

2013-11-25 23:02:00 UTC

Got an answer from KTM Austria re: luggage:

"- there will be no topcase or carrier system for the 1290 SUPER DUKE R
- there will be a sidebag with 18l volume (available from march 2014) - the carrier for the sidebag is easy to mount (~ 30minutes) and easy to dismantle
- there will be a large rear bag (18 - 36l volume) have to be mounted at the pillion seat
- there won't be a touring windshield - The example shown on the microsite can not be offered due to technical reasons."

No big surprise there; huge gap between the headlight and the screen - would make for some interesting turbulence.
And for "technical reasons" read "too ugly to be allowed out in public"
At least it wasn't orange.....

Ruprecht

2013-11-25 23:39:00 UTC

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ebags

2013-11-26 03:06:00 UTC

Little late to the party but slapped down a deposit on a 1290 two weeks ago. I must say I'm completely peeved off some of you are getting them so soon.. here in Australia its looking like late Feb.

Anyone ticked the box for the Akra Evo? $3999 here!! but still want it lol.

Ruprecht

2013-11-26 03:25:00 UTC

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2013-11-26 04:01:00 UTC

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2013-11-26 04:06:00 UTC

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2013-11-26 04:07:00 UTC

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ebags

2013-11-26 05:00:00 UTC

Note the three pages are "touring" "race" & "style" ... although there are more than a few double ups between the "setups".

ebags

2013-11-26 05:03:00 UTC

I feel everything is very reasonable APART form the bloody 1 thing I really want the full EVO!!!

ebags

2013-11-26 05:04:00 UTC

If anyone wants a copy feel free to PM me your email and I'll forward it to you.

BassAgent

2013-11-26 05:13:00 UTC

Anyone else gonna wait for adam to make some carbon pieces? Lol

Ruprecht

2013-11-26 05:16:00 UTC

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2013-11-26 05:20:00 UTC

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ebags

2013-11-26 05:22:00 UTC

Interesting that it doesn't list a "Race Dongle" like the other price lists, but lists a "Bad Fuel Dongle".
I wonder what is considered "bad" exactly, and if this (and the akrapovic map) will become the key to aftermarket tuning.

Ruprecht

2013-11-26 05:34:00 UTC

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2013-11-26 05:50:00 UTC

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gringo

2013-11-26 09:15:00 UTC

numbers add up pretty quick hey.

$23,500 for the bike
$1,500 approx for on roads
$3,999 for exhaust
$300 for crash protection
$135 for bad fuel dongle (if thats what we think it is)
$199 for number plate hanger
$319 for rear stand

$29,952

start with $30k and you might have enough money left over to put fuel in it to ride back from the dealer and buy a 6 pack of beers for when you get home. gotta pay to play i suppose.

Ruprecht

2013-11-26 09:25:00 UTC

money is counted and ready, off tonight to look at her and hand over the cash, dealer waiting for the documents from KTM then he can register it and it shall be mine! unless i have second thoughts jajajaajajaajaja

my items for the future shall be:

short plate holder
after market exhaust and remap, will not be an akra one as way over what i would want to pay plus i imagine some better looking shorter ones will spring up.
heated grips, does get cold sometimes here.
maybe some rearsets for the track but shall wait first for the first outing on track to see if they needed.

smaller front or larger rear sproket?? could be intresting.........

but first i am just going to ride and ride and ride and ride!!

Ducati Pete

2013-11-26 09:37:00 UTC

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2013-11-26 09:46:00 UTC

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2013-11-26 09:48:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-11-26 10:13:00 UTC

KTM have certainly had a look at how Ducati separate their "special" customers from their cash and warmed to it!

Ducati Pete

2013-11-26 11:01:00 UTC

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2013-11-26 11:34:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-11-26 13:10:00 UTC

So, my Adventure ride. As others have stated good power and adequate handling form such a heavy bike.

Menus are easy to cycle thru to get to what your after. I had it set in Sport with MTC and ABS on and suspension set to the most firm option in less than 2 minutes without ever having seen the menu screen or touched the buttons. Buttons were nice and positive with no sticking whatsoever. Easy peasy. 1290 is uses exact same switch gear.

Peel out of the dealership and noticed imediately that KTM have fooked up one very simple item that they've had working perfectly for years....don't laugh. The turn signal switch is a fooking joke. There is no lever travel on the switch so you do not know if you've activated it unless you look down at the dash. Several times I thought it was blinking only to find out it wasn't....WTF? You just can't get a feel for it through gloves. Unbelievable KTM.

First bike I've ridden with ABS and must say it works (if a little too soon in Sport). I'm sure it'll work a little less intrusively on the SD-R. TC works as I was not able to get the rear to break loose no matter how ham fisted I was with the throttle while leaned over.

And the MSC, it works as well. While leaned over, grabbed a hanful of front brake and no muss or fuss. While not available on the 1290 it was nice to try it out. Was a little tentative at first mind, didn't want to put this shiny new demo on it's side.

Now for the interesting stuff. With MTC on and in Sport mode there is a slight hiccup when whacking throttle open at low revs in 1st gear. Clears quickly and you are off to the races. Little tug on bars and low and behold, front end rises controllably click second, third, fourth....nice power wheelie right past said dealership. Turn around, decelerate aggesively and am able to get back end in air for obligatory nose wheelie before electrics kick in and spoil party. Again, in fornt of dealership. Salesmen and mechanics impressed as they didn't think either was possible with electronic nannys on. Bodes well for 1290s electrics.

Build quality? Mirrors hit winshield at full lock...WTF? Can probably be adjusted but obviously not an issue on 1290. 12vdc power port will not stay closed while riding (again, no issue on 1290). Gearbox? Sweet. Makes the unit on our SDs feel like a farm implement by comparison.

All in all worth riding and a little of this info will transfer directly to 1290. Rode it to see if I am old enough to own one of these things and have to say I'm please to find out that I am not..at least not yet. Got another 5-7 years before I'll be ready for something like this.

Cheers.

fatbob

2013-11-26 13:19:00 UTC

Nice little report. Thank-You.

fatbob

2013-11-26 13:37:00 UTC

I was wondering, if a comparison write up could be made between the two SDR's when new owners start taking delivery of theirs. I am hoping there will be a few guys on here who might still have their current SDR's when the 1290 arrives in their garages.

For those of us who are still on the fence for one reason or the other, i was hoping a few of these points could be noted:
1. Build quality
2. Finishing
3. Ride height and position
4. And how standard is the bike compared to their cheaper and smaller bikes. For instance how many parts are shared.
5. How hooligan is the ride compared the the FF 08 SDR
A ride review from an unbiased stand point would go a long way

All these make a difference, because i would not buy an R8 simply because the interior looks like an A3. Whats the point, I'd rather buy a GTR (cannot afford either BTW). I ask these because i have seen a pattern emerging with KTM lately and I am afraid sooner or later we could easily draw a line through it. Minus the motor, I am interested in what other measure KTM have taken to set the 1290 SDR apart for the herd.
thanks

Ducati Pete

2013-11-26 14:31:00 UTC

I realise he's a company man now, and maybe we should take his comments with a pinch of salt; but Belfast said when he turned off the ABS on the 1290 he couldn't "Beat" the braking performance with it on.

Given that man has beat Rossi and Capirossi head to head (on a customer bike) I think we all will be OK with the ABS!

Ruprecht

2013-11-26 14:46:00 UTC

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2013-11-26 15:11:00 UTC

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2013-11-26 18:05:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-11-26 18:50:00 UTC

Saw a neat slippon exhaust for the 1290 at the NEC show.
A few pics here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41597685@N07/

Their website is austinracing.com

They should have the finished version out in Jan for around £800. Hand rolled and welded Titanium, all looked like good kit to me. The Duc full system was a work of art, so may be worth a group asking them if they could make some.

Ducati Pete

2013-11-26 18:54:00 UTC

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2013-11-26 19:01:00 UTC

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2013-11-26 20:07:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-11-26 21:01:00 UTC

Austin racing make THE best looking pipes, here is the one I picked up (not my bike but same can)

Fook me its loud, amazing sound, but as Crotchrockety says too loud, can insert loads of baffles but I think it will restrict any BHP gains and give a flat spot.

ebags

2013-11-26 21:07:00 UTC

Man that sounds sweet! Shame it would get laughed out of any uk trackday.

ktmguy

2013-11-26 22:07:00 UTC

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2013-11-26 22:56:00 UTC

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jmann

2013-11-26 23:52:00 UTC

+1 On the Austin can! awsome!

Prices don't look good in NZ neither, have a look at the link below.
Prices indicative only but still.
I recon they end up the same way as before. In 2009 the SD still had the 24k price tag in NZ, no dealer could shift any.
In 2010 they had to drop them below 19k to shift new 08 models out of the showroom. The akra pipe was $2500 then... oooch!
I love the bike but I still think KTM turns in to the apple of motorbikes.

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2013-11-27 00:09:00 UTC

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2013-11-27 10:31:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-11-27 11:27:00 UTC

Ruprecht you can get the Akro map uploaded by a dealer even if you don't have the Akro Evo, I have already called to confirm. This should be the case with most dealers if they are good.

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2013-11-27 11:36:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2013-11-27 14:39:00 UTC

New bike is generating a lot of interest. Nice to have some new blood on the forum.

Would ask that you newbs update your profiles to include location as most of our discussions not only revolve around the bike but location as well.

Cheers

And Rup, do you ever get any sleep? Believe it's o'dark thirty there isn't it?

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2013-11-27 15:22:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-11-27 15:28:00 UTC

Latest from Austin Racing

"We will have the de cat system and full system available in January/February. We get our test bike in 2 weeks"

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2013-11-27 15:45:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-11-27 15:59:00 UTC

Uk
Had a few of their systems
Bit loud but nice stuff

Ducati Pete

2013-11-27 20:16:00 UTC

Looking into the end of the can and talking with the guy on the stand the silencing is done in the large diameter
piece of pipe feeding the can. The can on the end is actually hollow.
The seemed willing to look into making cans fit to an Akra Y piece for a 990, so I am sure they could be flexible for the new bike (at a cost).
They haven't fitted it the bike yet as they don't have one, so now would be a good time to give them input.

From what I can remember you either have to make the gases change direction or let them expand into a larger volume for a silencer to work. Always be tricky with this kind of design though unless the piping is long.

The Akra can on the 1290 looked pretty big to me, so maybe if you want smaller and track quiet, you may need two cans stacked up as per the streetfighter. They made it with a single sided swing arm to get the can into the wheel for the ground clearance. I think the standard can looks quite good against the competition
it could be worse( Z1000 cans are really bad).

ebags

2013-11-27 20:50:00 UTC

LOL

Newbie - can you tell me about this and that.

SD.net - fooked if we know, we've not seen one yet!

bic_bicknell

2013-11-27 21:23:00 UTC

I for one, want to know how we as a forum, deal with the 1290.

"It's a Superduke Jim, but not as we know it"

It makes me realise that the original SD and the post '07 bikes were more or less identical. We are all brothers in our ownership. But this new beast is a different beast.

When the ownership posts start happening it will be chaos.

Someone posted about how many parts are interchangeable with the old. I tell you.......I guess virtually none. It's a different bike.

Everything will be different, the problems, the 'fixes', the quirks, the huge amount of info and accumulating knowledge. But none of it will be transferable or interchangable.

We need to think about how to manage the two different threads. We are all the same DNA but we should make sure that we pre-plan what is about to happen.

Moderators...... is there a way to create a specific place for the 1290.

And yet keep us all together in a family. I am not suggesting in the slightest to create a spiritual division here.

BassAgent

2013-11-27 21:25:00 UTC

We could just stick 1290 in the thread title.

jmann

2013-11-27 21:25:00 UTC

I do hope the 1290 has a BGC!

Lowrance

2013-11-27 22:41:00 UTC

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fatbob

2013-11-27 22:46:00 UTC

There will always be an equivalent BGC equivalent issue!

Ebags. In my opinion, running in is almost a thing of the past. You have to appreciate what it all meant at the beginning of the automotive time line. In the old days the engineering and manufacture the tolerances were pretty bad and all the mechanical components had to 'bed down' and sort of wear into each other. When you started a new engine it had to 'run in' because nothing really fitted very well. It was a rider's skill and needed a sort of mechanical empathy to do it well. There were definitely better ways and worse ways to run in a new engine.

Nowadays the engineering and manufacturing tolerances are so much better. Engines come off the production line so much better made than they were. They almost run perfect straight off the production line. You don't even hear about people 'warming up ' an engine anymore before riding.

Running in is not a mechanical necessity anymore.

What is important is to understand mechanical sympathy. If you have a new engine then it's common sense to not rev it to it's maximum so keep the revs low. But the main thing is not to labour the engine. Keep the engine spinning, don't use the torque, don't shift up, give the engine an easy time. Revs is not your enemy, torque is. come on.... you can feel it!!! How would you like to be if you were an engine?

I've rebuilt and remade so many engines in my life. A new bike shouldn't be intimidating - however much it cost. Just go out and enjoy it and be gentle and feel it's engineering.

But I am of the school that says give it a hard time. Thrash it when it feels like being thrashed. Don't molly coddle it. Fooking ride it.

SDRSteveH

2013-11-27 23:30:00 UTC

Without starting a debate, I think the basic principles still apply to any bike or 4stroke vehicle in fact. The 1290 still has piston rings, they are fresh from the factory and they need to be seated. I would think break in applies even in 2014.

Superdan

2013-11-28 20:44:00 UTC

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prikkie

2013-11-28 21:18:00 UTC

Spotted in Germany

paul81

2013-11-28 21:20:00 UTC

the only parts that will need a change if any at all would be the tech and how to section, having a 1290 sub section in these would sort that. better still, like DP says, just put 990 or 1290 in the thead title and then we can all cossie up together

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2013-11-28 21:26:00 UTC

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ebags

2013-11-28 22:39:00 UTC

Whats with the orange wheels?? I haven't herd anything about there being an option in Oz... just though they were all coming in black. I was planning to have mine powder coated to orange (ordering orange bike) when I change the first set of tyres... hmmm interesting, might have to call the dealer again.

Lowrance

2013-11-28 22:48:00 UTC

This is obviously a customer (or shop owners) personal bike. The orange wheels and front fender are not standard.

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2013-11-28 22:53:00 UTC

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gringo

2013-11-29 08:44:00 UTC

ebags, in the flesh its a lot better, i have an orange one and i am just waiting for it to be registered then i can collect, went to see her the other day, orange is good. i did like the black but my last few bikes some have been black...........

i just want to get her and ride the wheels off the thing!

Oompaloompa

2013-11-29 08:53:00 UTC

Put down a deposit today for one. Hong Kong delivery slated for March. Now need to choose a colour and decide whether or not to keep my black 08

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BassAgent

2013-11-30 00:03:00 UTC

Wow surprised at the orange vs black sales, eye of the beholder it is!

Lowrance

2013-11-30 11:55:00 UTC

I like oprange ahahahaha alreadu have back lolol oh wow

scamb66

2013-11-30 15:47:00 UTC

A black and white one was leaked a while ago on the MCN site, and I kinda liked it cos my current steed is white and it always seems to gather a crowd where ever I park it

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ktm08

2013-12-01 10:36:00 UTC

Tbh the SD is still the bike for me,,,,,sometime, but I feel KTM have not thought out the way their bikes are perceived. In the UK there still seen as a bit left field, admired but not seen as reliable as Jap or as desirable as Ducati. The RC would be the sports bike I would have if I was into them, love the looks but to most guys there's no bells and whistles, no racing pedigree and not in the league of BMW, Aprilia and many of the Japs. Still think the RC should've been seen as the top bike and given the electronics package to at least bring it upto the competition. If the SD had been 12k the RC 13.5k room for the SDRR to be 14K the structure would've made more sense. In the hyper naked shootouts still reckon it'll be right up there even top of the pile BUT every report will still say is it worth upto 4k better than the competition and I reckon the answer will be a big no. Course the bike will sell (3 or 4 already been scooped at my local dealers) and if I had the readies I'd be there too but I'm a KT, V2 , orange fan but those on the fence well may decide that the others give better value and possibly more exciting ride for the money. And I think BMW just may come out on top in the sales league, almost wish I was a inline fan

Ruprecht

2013-12-01 13:15:00 UTC

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2013-12-01 14:28:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-12-01 14:39:00 UTC

just looked over the manual quickly and noted that oil changes are a bit easier, looks like the bike still has to be upright to check the level.
looks like its all accessed from the same side of the machine. love thye battery location, finally!
again looked quick but didnt see any details on changing coolant (front wheel off ground?), or if the tank still hinges to access air filter...

Colonel_Klinck

2013-12-01 14:43:00 UTC

well I just got back from the NEC Birmingham bike show today, same shit just as expensive and not many deals or much going on. but I only went their to see the duke in the flesh.
after fighting to get a look and to sit on it I must admit its a lot more comfortable than I first realised, even the standard set-up on the foot pegs is even comforting. so when fitting the rear-sets im sure getting ya knee down should be with ease without worrying about hitting the pegs first.
I did speak with the ktm manager about a lot of things that's been on peoples mined. the ktm for the uk is due for shipment on the 4th dec and will take a week to get here, so from the 10th dec should be ready and in the shops!
the exhaust has been carefully thought out to look the way it is. due to engine size and tough emission laws they couldn't make it like the rc8 type but ktm are looking at other options.
the power parts will be out in January some time.
after speaking to a couple of other exhaust company's, think ill just save n wait for them to bring out their types of exhaust system for the sd be a lot cheaper!
spoke to austinracing and they are considering doing the under slung or rc8 type can. but do think ktm are a joke on the can, full system for over £1500 plus set up all for just an extra 15bhp..sod that! speaking to ackra you cant even order through them it has to be through ktm..
I have ordered my sd in orange and should be getting mine very soon but after looking at the sd in black with all the bling must admit dose look better. but im sure after making it my way it will look just fine plus once I get riding I wont care about the looks etc, just have a massive grin instead..lol

paul81

2013-12-01 15:15:00 UTC

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2013-12-01 15:34:00 UTC

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blb

2013-12-01 18:11:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-12-01 18:54:00 UTC

I'm pretty sure hat would come down to each individual countries laws.

BassAgent

2013-12-01 21:12:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-12-01 21:47:00 UTC

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blb

2013-12-02 09:09:00 UTC

Of course, some of you guys in the countries with little in the way of KTM dealers won't worry so much I suppose.

I must admit that I did have a great relationship with my dealer who helped out with many warranty items, even just gave me the parts to fit myself and didn't want the old bits back!

KTM themselves however were terrible with help..

scamb66

2013-12-02 10:41:00 UTC

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gringo

2013-12-02 11:07:00 UTC

odd that they mention about the handlebars should be moved forward for the track but no lap timer function?

for me it has a lot of info i will never read, instant fuel consumption per litre, the date but why??, battery Voltage, avergae speed, whether my missus is with the milkman,etc........

honestly i think they could have done without the screen on the left.

still when im on her i guess i wont be looking anyway at all that info, never had before........

Superdan

2013-12-02 11:09:00 UTC

I have a lap timer on my bike, never remember to press the button when I go over the line though

Ruprecht

2013-12-02 11:18:00 UTC

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gringo

2013-12-02 11:39:00 UTC

not yet, waiting for KTM Spain to send the documentation to the dealer to be able to register.

lets see if i am lucky and everything hapens this week.

Lowrance

2013-12-02 13:37:00 UTC

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2013-12-02 13:39:00 UTC

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2013-12-02 13:40:00 UTC

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gringo

2013-12-02 17:55:00 UTC

ok, but not once i have been on any bike and thougt what day is it?

you would think that they could have different options that could be added by the dealer and then use one of the many many buttons for the lap timer, just thinking..........

my god i just want that documentation to arrive then i can have my fun on her!!!!!

i am towing with the idea of heated grips, 198 euros fitted and they can be controlled by the big screen until the computer says no...........

tried some paddock stands that are for single sided on my bike at the dealers but they just dont fit and the bike is left at a funny angle, aftermarket will have a field day with ktm prices, 140 euros for a paddock stand...... was orange tho so must be good jajajajajaaa

Ruprecht

2013-12-02 21:00:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-12-02 22:36:00 UTC

I am sold on the black.. That looks amazing. And the stand is amazing too.

Ruprecht

2013-12-03 01:18:00 UTC

Couple things I noticed in that video:

1. Someone has already got their 1290 Superduke!
2. Already scratched up the airbox?
3. When he taps the tank at the end of the video it sounded strangely like metal. Will find out this weekend as they will (better) be on diplay at the LBMC.

Come on Friday!

ktmguy

2013-12-03 01:50:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-12-03 06:10:00 UTC

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jmann

2013-12-03 06:57:00 UTC

We should try to get this lot to make one. $215 sounds reasonable.

scamb66

2013-12-03 07:52:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-12-03 08:23:00 UTC

There is a group is Aus that do one too but just need to make the pin.

http://www.4enduro.com/accessories/spid ... etail.html

Ruprecht

2013-12-04 01:51:00 UTC

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ebags

2013-12-04 02:26:00 UTC

Agreed, looking forward to that 1000PS naked shootout!

Ruprecht

2013-12-04 09:09:00 UTC

S1000R faster than SD 1290... please MCN

fatbob

2013-12-04 09:30:00 UTC

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2013-12-04 10:28:00 UTC

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2013-12-04 10:34:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-12-04 10:46:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-12-04 11:01:00 UTC

just off the phone to the dealer, still no documentacion from KTM Spain, so tempted to collect the bike and at least i can sit on her and start the engine, could even take it to the track, but wouldnt be insured so best to leave it.

may have the docs next week.............

Ruprecht

2013-12-04 11:08:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2013-12-04 11:36:00 UTC

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2013-12-04 13:47:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-12-04 15:50:00 UTC

These are all great bikes so it boils down to preference. I like v-twins so the 1290 is for me. Will be selling my 990 Supermoto R to make room. At one point I had a GSXR-1000 and found it easier to ride on the track compared to my RC51-one thing that surprised me was that the higher redline made it easier to get through some corners because I could rev it more and not have to shift. But I sold the GSXR and kept the RC51 because, for me, there is nothing like a booming v-twin, and this 1290 is going to be one helluva big boomer! Waiting now to see when the bike will hit the States and how much. Glad the S1000r is not so expensive-maybe that will keep the price a little lower for the 1290.

Ruprecht

2013-12-04 16:23:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-12-04 16:54:00 UTC

How much more is the insurance gonna be for the 1290 against a 990SD ?

ktmguy

2013-12-04 20:29:00 UTC

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Oompaloompa

2013-12-04 20:32:00 UTC

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Oompaloompa

2013-12-04 20:43:00 UTC

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ebags

2013-12-05 06:11:00 UTC

I know this will mean nothing as circumstance, age etc will all play a part but I got an insurance quote a few days ago and was pleasantly surprised!

$900 for the year for full comprehensive. I'm 28 and live about 15km from Melbourne CBD, my driving record is as clean as a baby's bum (not sure how, but it is lol), and I don't have a garage either.

Happy chappy 'ere.

BassAgent

2013-12-05 11:47:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-12-05 11:57:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-12-05 12:07:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-12-05 22:55:00 UTC

Any flag waving American patriots that can never get enough jingoism?

of that patriot special...

Ducati Pete

2013-12-05 23:17:00 UTC

I'd ride that, if my name was Ben Bostrum.

DribbleDuke

2013-12-06 00:37:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-12-06 01:01:00 UTC

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2013-12-06 01:54:00 UTC

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2013-12-06 02:49:00 UTC

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DribbleDuke

2013-12-06 18:34:00 UTC

tyre pressure is an option on adv
You don't have to stop to change maps either , you just have to close the throttle , similar to the Beemer
On the adv anyway

Ruprecht

2013-12-06 18:51:00 UTC

Stumbled onto this, looking for something else (and thought it interesting): http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2014 ... -111325887

I'm sure that the $24,995 (USD) asking price is just plain greed, but I do wonder where that pricing is coming from ... May have to give them a call ...

SDNerd

2013-12-06 19:15:00 UTC

Chicago, Illinois

prikkie

2013-12-06 19:48:00 UTC

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ebags

2013-12-06 21:24:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-12-06 21:39:00 UTC

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prikkie

2013-12-06 21:50:00 UTC

Spotted in Germany. My bike will look the same only I ordred the full Akra en the orange triple clamps and orange protectors. Racing decalls on the rims too and a carbon front fender.

prikkie

2013-12-06 22:17:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-12-06 22:18:00 UTC

I realise I have asked before, but what is the difference with the orange triples?

You must know if you've been bent over for them.

ebags

2013-12-06 22:21:00 UTC

Colonel_Klinck

2013-12-06 22:23:00 UTC

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ebags

2013-12-06 22:28:00 UTC

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Crotchrockety

2013-12-07 00:40:00 UTC

I'm at the Long Beach show. The US price for a 2014 SDR is ...

$16999

BassAgent

2013-12-07 00:52:00 UTC

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StuartJ

2013-12-07 01:35:00 UTC

I'm heading to the Long Beach show tomorrow, can't wait to see it in the flesh. It's going to be a bloody long few months waiting if the US doesn't get them till the spring.

BassAgent

2013-12-07 01:49:00 UTC

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Blackduke77

2013-12-07 02:00:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-12-07 02:51:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-12-07 02:57:00 UTC

I hope that's true all around. Call it marketing, but 16,999 is a lot better sounding than 18k. That's 1k more towards an exhaust haha

DribbleDuke

2013-12-07 03:01:00 UTC

At least here in the USA, paying in cash does not mean much for getting a lower price anymore because the dealers get their money pretty quick no matter how the bike is paid for. All due to the computer age. Money moves quick!

MrZ32

2013-12-07 03:11:00 UTC

Only 1K more in Canada I found out today. I'm not putting money down until I see it in the flesh though.

Crotchrockety

2013-12-07 04:43:00 UTC

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scamb66

2013-12-07 05:12:00 UTC

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fatbob

2013-12-07 05:47:00 UTC

That price almost sounds reasonable,$17000. I would not be surprised if bikes left the showroom floor for seventeen grand. I have seen and purchased a couple of new bikes for MSRP and the dealer prep and tax and license is waved. Still giving the Dealership enough money to keep their doors open. If you were a regular customer and purchased your SD through the same dealership, you will probably be looking at 17 OTD.

Crotchrockety

2013-12-07 07:58:00 UTC

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enigma990

2013-12-07 08:43:00 UTC

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bic_bicknell

2013-12-07 09:38:00 UTC

What you think about the clutch slavecylinder this time? Should it be replaced to a oberon or hope they fixed the design flaw?

bic_bicknell

2013-12-07 12:48:00 UTC

My initial impressions of the bike. It is an attention getter. Lots of folks flocked to it. Personally, I liked the orange better than the black version (and I generally like black bikes ). The black was a matte black and it just didn't show off the bike's lines as well as the orange livery. YMMV. I didn't take any pictures of the bikes because all I had was my shitty i-phone and you've all seen pictures of it anyway. I think it looks better in person than in pics though. The front end was held in a vertical stall such that the forks would not compress when you sit on it. So, its difficult to say whether it had the same seat height as the old bike, but sitting on it as it was resulted in a longer stretch to the ground than the old bike. Once in the saddle, I found the riding position more upright, however, I think the pegs may be up and back slightly from their position on the 990 SD.

No BMW S1000R at the show. The guy I spoke to said "it wasn't ready yet," whatever the fook that means. I suspect its more like the idiots in NJ either don't plan on bringing the bike into the states this year, or they just decided not to bring one to the show. These are the same brain trusts that didn't bring an S1000RR to the show during its introductory year, so, I guess I shouldn't have expected them to bring an S1000R. Silly me.

Other new models included: Ducati Monster 1200S; Norton Commando; Yamaha FZ-09; KTM Adventure 1190 (I forgot to look for the smaller displacement street bikes); the new Indian line; Suzuki's new V-Strom; and that new hipster naked Beemer R nineT.

jjlester_74

2013-12-07 14:28:00 UTC

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Crotchrockety

2013-12-07 16:34:00 UTC

Ktm 1290 adv?

Colonel_Klinck

2013-12-07 21:12:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-12-07 22:58:00 UTC

Just got back from lbmc. The bike looks good....feels good to sit on. I could flat foot both feet at same time. Current bike only lets me get toes down and im not short. They've retained the leg room ive come to appreciate with the current bike.

All around pretty satisfied with fit and finish....with the exception of that stupid turn signal switch. The we high beam switch seems a bit too long as well as my index finger was hitting it while we engaging and disengaging the clutch. Nothing a little trimming with a dremel tool wont fix.

Crotchrockety

2013-12-07 23:54:00 UTC

Which one did you like better John, the black one or the orange one?

Lowrance

2013-12-08 00:06:00 UTC

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2013-12-08 00:34:00 UTC

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2013-12-08 07:51:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-12-08 19:10:00 UTC

I've gone back and forth on what color I'd want. But that black one with the orange painted wheels...man, that just may be the ticket.

Still convinced on holding out one year for a lower price/an RR model/more exhaust options. But I've already purchased a full suspension upgrade for the moment it arrives haha.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-12-08 19:52:00 UTC

Quite clearly, orange with nice green wheels would be best.

Ducati Pete

2013-12-08 20:12:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2013-12-08 20:17:00 UTC

Nearly!

SuperHoon

2013-12-08 20:58:00 UTC

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shadowman

2013-12-09 07:05:00 UTC

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shadowman

2013-12-09 14:24:00 UTC

From Motorcycle Weekly.com or something like that.

The rider is a racer with a good turn of speed...

Quote

The first ride was 200 miles by road with hundreds of curves. I dialed in ABS braking for the front, but turned it off for the rear, while selecting full power in Sport mode and traction control off. In the first two miles, it seemed like the front wheel was in the air for at least one mile. Wow!

The big KTM sounds powerful . . . even violent. You learn quickly not to open the throttle aggressively in first, second . . . and even third gear. No naked ever kicked so hard. Acceleration is almost brutal from idle, but when you arrive at 7,000 rpm, it is “@@*!+?!!!”. From there, it continues to stretch your arms towards redline.

Which is not to say the SuperDuke R is difficult to ride, or intimidating. You always can dictate the experience with your right wrist. The bike is actually easy to use, and traction proved excellent with the purpose-built Dunlop Sportsmart tyres fitted to the extremely light, low pressure, die-cast wheels. I immediately felt comfortable cornering, as the bike falls in easily and steers accurately through the turns.

gringo

2013-12-09 14:30:00 UTC

Would have been easier to just post a link I know;

The KTM representative leading the ride began to up the pace considerably on the dry roads. Aside from the excellent, controllable brakes, and the confidence while leaned over, the thrust and elasticity of the engine was the highlight! How do you combine the explosion of a nuclear bomb with extraordinary modulation? We passed through a stretch of undulating roads that I will never forget, full of elevation changes, as well as flowing corners. The lead group stopped half-way through the ride, and all we could do is look at each other and laugh when we removed our helmets.

Heading to Ascari, the scene of our track ride the following day, we encountered broken asphalt and very poor traction conditions, for which I turned on the traction control. When the roads improved, I turned TC off, once again. I was glad I had ABS for the slippery part, and I felt it engage several times, undoubtedly saving me from more frightful experiences.

At first the suspension seemed rather soft, particularly under heavy braking, but adding two clicks of compression immediately brought better balance.

I was particularly nervous as we arrived at the Ascari Circuit on Day 2, as it can be a dangerous place on a bike. Fortunately, Jeremy McWilliams was on hand to talk to us about the track and then lead us on a few leisurely laps to learn the best line. The morning was sunny and warm, and I reduced the tyre pressures we had run on the street. Jeremy and I know each other from past track encounters, and I did my best to hang on his wheel during one session. He was aboard one of the bikes fitted with all the KTM “power parts” (exhaust, suspension, tuning, slicks, etc.), and even with my stiff suspension settings, my standard bike started to feel too soft after a few turns at our relatively crazy pace. I pulled over to stiffen things up further, and the bike felt much better. I latched back on to Jeremy, and at his pace I had to scrape the foot pegs on both sides as well as the exhaust canister. After the fifth lap, the tyres started to lose grip, and I had to back off.

I eventually got my chance to sample the “power parts” model that features even more horsepower (192 hp), as well as the stiffer suspension tuning and slick tyres. I had much more confidence both braking and accelerating on this bike, and it felt much more stable at race pace. Unfortunately, it started to rain during this session, and after ABS kicked in a couple of times I had to back off the pace.

After lunch at the track, I offered to accompany Jeremy on the road back to the hotel. By this point, the road was wet in sections, but McWilliams was hauling ass nonetheless. I thought to myself that Northerners know how to ride in this shit, and although I held the pace, I was not so comfortable. That was definitely 30 km (19 miles) to remember!

So KTM has, once again, taken the naked bike category to a new level. When a superbike motor is not enough, you go bigger . . . and you end up with the KTM 1290 SuperDuke R. The performance is unreal, and the whole bike works superbly as a package. Not much more to say, really.

Here is the link http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2013/11/ ... irst-ride/

scamb66

2013-12-09 15:14:00 UTC

word is this week she wil be registered well the dealer said call wednesday so thats me bieng positive...............

probably will be ready as this week as i have to travel for work so sods law is that it will be ready and i will be out of the country and funny enough im actually off to Austria!!!!

back for the weekend though and unusaully so it has forecast rain in a normally sunny valencia so all the signs point to the bike bieng registered...........

enigma990

2013-12-10 10:05:00 UTC

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2013-12-10 12:29:00 UTC

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ebags

2013-12-10 14:09:00 UTC

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Jim H

2013-12-10 14:39:00 UTC

Not sure if sold but if anyone is near Tewkesbury and hasn't had chance to see one up close

Tho 15K?

ktmguy

2013-12-10 14:42:00 UTC

Redline in the UK, just had 3 delivered. Don't know if sold

Jim H

2013-12-10 20:50:00 UTC

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DribbleDuke

2013-12-11 03:50:00 UTC

I'd like to show you my genius mug
http://www.menkind.co.uk/mensa-heat-sensitive-mug

Notice it say menkind, not kindmen. Lets reverse the flow around here.

Lowrance

2013-12-11 05:37:00 UTC

What the fook did I miss?

BassAgent

2013-12-11 05:52:00 UTC

kindly stfu if not talking awesome sauce about the New Super Duke R 1290.

Ruprecht

2013-12-11 06:10:00 UTC

Wasn't me

ebags

2013-12-11 06:11:00 UTC

At the Aussie KTM dealer meeting last night my dealer was told to expect delivery as early as early February. Also said that there were fewer units being delivered than pre-orders made.

ktmguy

2013-12-11 06:18:00 UTC

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gringo

2013-12-11 06:42:00 UTC

If someone wants an orange one just came up... I swapped my order for black today. Other than that no more orange.

81forest

2013-12-11 08:52:00 UTC

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enigma990

2013-12-11 17:37:00 UTC

not a happy camper, called dealer and he said no docs from KTM Spainso no registration, i thought this is strange that KTM would release a bike that people can buy but then cant register, maybe a week delay but its now been two weeks, i called KTM Spain and they did not seem very happy when i explained the situation and asked me to send them an email which i did and they replied in one hour saying they would be contacting me soon, i let my dealer know that i had spoke with KTM Spain but he has not replied, i then called another KTM dealer in Spain who has sold one and also REGISTERED it, i hope there is an explination........

13 years i have been buying bikes and lots of them brand new and three new ktms from this dealer, i hope he has not played my money...............

i have receipts for the payments and he has said i can take my bike but i have a feeling he has not paid KTM Spain as of yet and that is why he has not got the docs from them, i just wish he was honest or has a good explination.

if something has happened and hes delayed me from getting my bike then it shall be the last one i buy from him.

ktm08

2013-12-11 18:49:00 UTC

Sorry guys to pee you off but I just a call from my ktm dealer, said my 1290 sdr is here and should be ready for pick up this weekend.... Merry Xmass to meeee!

scamb66

2013-12-11 18:54:00 UTC

Gonna be the longest two days of your life, good luck trying to get any sleep!

ktmguy

2013-12-11 20:11:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-12-11 20:22:00 UTC

Ya hope so think its sunny but cold for Saturday!
It will be the longest two days of my life.. Lol

scamb66

2013-12-11 20:33:00 UTC

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bic_bicknell

2013-12-11 22:20:00 UTC

Younger brother arrived tooday!Yuuuuupiiiiiii!

ktm08

2013-12-12 02:03:00 UTC

Nice matching pair, congrats seem to be the first one.

Got the accessory price list for Oz today. Slated for Feb delivery.

scamb66

2013-12-12 02:08:00 UTC

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gringo

2013-12-12 11:56:00 UTC

RESULT, i shall have the bike ready and registered for next week! about time and do not like what the dealer has done to me so will have a lot of grovelling to do!

KTM Sapin are not happy either as i gave them a bit of stick but in all fairness its not thier fault the dealer has played me for a few weeks, could have had the bike registered on the 1st of december!

have ordered the paddock stand and the short number plate holder.

also holidays from the 23 rd so plenty of time for runing in then thrashing!!

Ruprecht

2013-12-12 12:51:00 UTC

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shadowman

2013-12-12 13:01:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-12-12 14:35:00 UTC

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2013-12-12 14:40:00 UTC

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2013-12-12 15:09:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-12-12 18:44:00 UTC

I hope sometime soon we get an official word on the clamps. I plan to use mine for 90% track and it was near the top of my 'things to buy' list.

I won't buy it for bling though.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-12-12 20:54:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2013-12-12 21:01:00 UTC

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Viking

2013-12-12 21:16:00 UTC

I'd shag Motoronin to have one as my track slag. I thinks it's going to fooking amazing on track.

ktmguy

2013-12-12 21:24:00 UTC

god im soo angry! was going to pick my bike up this weekend and was looking forward to it, but yet ktm has really screwed up this time. they haven't sent the info out needed to the insurance company's so I can get my bike registered and insured.so technically the bike doesn't existed in this country yet!
so how long before they get their ass in gear and send it? was hoping to have it this side of xmass...who knows!
ktm dealer told me its the same everywhere around the uk for all ktm dealers, have bikes in the show room but none can be moved or sold yet to their costumers..
so ya this is going to be the longest two days of my life waiting......again!

Ruprecht

2013-12-12 22:59:00 UTC

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gringo

2013-12-13 00:23:00 UTC

Redline KTM have a demo in and they've threw a whack of akrapovic options on it.

prikkie

2013-12-13 00:48:00 UTC

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2013-12-13 02:40:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-12-13 11:09:00 UTC

KTM Spain said in the email that there was no delay with the "ficha tecnica", a document that the DOT has to issue before you can have the bike registered although i am not so sure because this monday i went to my insurance place and the bike was not yet in their data base so i do not know who is getting a longer nose, the dealer or KTM??

one thin is for sure, its a pain in the ass having the bike for three weeks now and not be able to ride it on the road.

in Spain the dealer has to pay the full amount to KTM before they will release the documents so i imagine it is the same elsewhere. bikes arrive first then after payment the documents.

Ducati Pete

2013-12-14 08:51:00 UTC

I don't know if I should do this..........

blb

2013-12-14 08:57:00 UTC

Hi
Just a quick hello from the guys at austinracing uk.
As I could not find an obvious place to start an exhaust thread I will post here for now.

A heads up that we are now working on our all new GP1 exhaust. First ride on the bike in stock trim really impressed, a really great bike with great power and smoothness, needs some serious noise though to complement the looks!

Please feel free to ask questions about the options we have coming.

We will have the high level de cat system available mid February.

http://www.austinracing.com

NEO

2013-12-14 09:04:00 UTC

Visited the local stealer today as I needed some brembo part for the husky and KTM had them in stock.
Anyway had a talk to the dodgy sales person and his information says: No new SD till march, if even. (his words not mine). ADV same, he has pre sold several since I test rode one several months ago (July), so by the time they arrive it will be 6 months plus. All Duke 390 sold out in Oz and similar story. He's not a very happy chappy!

All up very poor performance from KTM Australia in my opinion...then again nothing new...

Bunter

2013-12-14 10:07:00 UTC

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ktm08

2013-12-14 19:24:00 UTC

Akrapovič slip on:

NEO

2013-12-14 19:26:00 UTC

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scamb66

2013-12-14 20:38:00 UTC

paper work signed, insurance sorted. just waiting for the bike to be pdi then its all mine so hopefully Tuesday ill be picking it up.so cant wait!!!!the bike is so much sorted and more comfortable than my ducati 848, it is a big bike and a bit big, im 5,10 and did struggle to touch the ground with both feet...... but who cares so cant wait going to be the longest two days of my life.
their isn't any insurance company's that have the info yet. but after much talking I did find only one company that has abit of common sence and will insure you on this bike. they know its out but like many they too don't have the info off ktm.

lexham insurance
speak with lewis pacy
0845 600 1664

Luxamor

2013-12-14 20:40:00 UTC

Not had her on the dyno as yet to check bhp.

What I can tell you is after talking to the testers for the 3 largest uk magazine publications it should make good power.
I see a few members doubt the bikes potential in looks and power.
The 3 testers we talked to give us honest opinions not doctored for the magazine.
Don't doubt this bikes ability and potential. looks stunning in the flesh, it is the most exciting new bike for some time!

Expect good things from it.

ktmguy

2013-12-14 23:06:00 UTC

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2013-12-15 00:38:00 UTC

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NEO

2013-12-15 03:52:00 UTC

NEO - any high res pics of the exhaust(s) you guys are putting out for the 1290r? Ideally would like to see it on the bike from the side.

Cheers,
J

BassAgent

2013-12-15 05:05:00 UTC

Just found this unboxing series from Norway on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDZewnfQK-E

NEO

2013-12-15 05:48:00 UTC

Can I suggest to make a new thread for aftermarket 1290 parts or so and move the Austinracing posts there?
I'm afraid all this will get lost in this long thread otherwise or people have to "labour" trough it to find this info in the future?

Klinckenmeister, mods?

jambox

2013-12-15 06:38:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-12-15 06:45:00 UTC

I'll make new forum sections when I get home

CEREC1

2013-12-15 10:27:00 UTC

Good idea, cool

NEO

2013-12-15 12:02:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2013-12-15 12:08:00 UTC

Okay so the new sub-forums are made for the 1290. Go ahead and post 1290 related mods in the appropriate section now

and my good deeds are done for the year

Ducati Pete

2013-12-15 13:21:00 UTC

Can't seem to find the place to post a new thread, can you point me please

Thanks.

Ruprecht

2013-12-15 13:35:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-12-16 13:46:00 UTC

[quote="CEREC1"
Surely with the power this bike has most of the appeal of an exhaust has to be about looks and weight reduction.
Just a thought [/quote]

^^^^^^^This^^^^^^

Lowrance

2013-12-16 13:57:00 UTC

That Akra slip on sounds just about right for where I ride and will avoid pissing off the neighbors too much. Get a straight pipe section to remove the cat and Id be good. Power should not be an issue.

Loud vtwins do sound fantastic but unfortunately public and more importantly police perception in this state are very biased against motorcycles...no need to add fuel to the fire.

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2013-12-16 14:04:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-12-16 19:59:00 UTC

god I ant gona sleep tonight as I pick up my bike tomo. so cant wait and the weathers going to be nice for me..
I will give a little insight on the bike but only abit as it be cold, traffic and will be breaking it in. will try my best thou!
may even put up a picture for you.... best xmass ever..

Stratkat

2013-12-17 06:32:00 UTC

Did you get it mxpower?

I'm sitting at work praying for the chopper which was delayed yesterday to appear today so I can pick mine up tomorrow...

Colonel_Klinck

2013-12-17 17:37:00 UTC

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2013-12-17 18:17:00 UTC

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2013-12-17 18:36:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-12-17 18:43:00 UTC

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SDNerd

2013-12-17 19:10:00 UTC

so its official, mxpower918 is the first owner on the site to take delivery, seems like he should get an award of sorts.
congrats!!

NEO

2013-12-17 19:52:00 UTC

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2013-12-17 20:13:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2013-12-17 20:27:00 UTC

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ebags

2013-12-17 20:30:00 UTC

It won't wheelie in Sport mode? Reviews seemed to imply it would.

NEO

2013-12-17 21:43:00 UTC

Not many pictures of the slip on as we really did literally stick it on before stripping the bike, not developed in any way so very rough picture.

Here is 1 other:

Yes we are doing systems like the prototype high level, please see here: viewtopic.php?f=29&t=22556&p=276581&e=276581

Tail tidy is a small L shape bracket we used.

NEO

2013-12-17 21:43:00 UTC

sorry dude my bad! but the power parts ant out yet or am I missing something?

Stratkat

2013-12-17 21:47:00 UTC

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2013-12-17 21:53:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2013-12-17 21:58:00 UTC

Like you say, the GP1 is what its all about for us.

That slip on will possibly be fine tuned and offered, as you said, for those that want a simple cost affective option to give more noise, keep the rear pegs and look tidy.

Perhaps i should pull those pics otherwise everyone will think its the finished job! lol...

ktmguy

2013-12-17 22:00:00 UTC

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2013-12-18 04:45:00 UTC

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ktm08

2013-12-18 04:47:00 UTC

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NEO

2013-12-18 04:55:00 UTC

I definitely have fun taking off on 1st gear all the time /shrug

Colonel_Klinck

2013-12-18 04:59:00 UTC

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gringo

2013-12-18 05:12:00 UTC

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2013-12-18 11:06:00 UTC

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NEO

2013-12-18 11:29:00 UTC

Yep that is the 1 bad point!

gringo

2013-12-18 11:44:00 UTC

Hopefully some maps will appear that will fix this issue.

Stratkat

2013-12-18 11:44:00 UTC

and the winner is............... me, thursday the bike is registered and ready for collection, at last, it has been a long long three weeks, and the weather for this weekend is 15 degrees and sun, and i have two weeks off work!!

so excited.

NEO

2013-12-18 14:01:00 UTC

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jambox

2013-12-18 14:19:00 UTC

But I picked mine up over a week ago or don't I count

Luxamor

2013-12-18 14:39:00 UTC

and quickly relegated off the podium!

so excited, should have it run in by next week, first trip will be saturday off towards the mountains then the local run on sunday

prikkie

2013-12-18 15:12:00 UTC

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scamb66

2013-12-18 15:21:00 UTC

Detailed report is:

It's wicked

I want a quick shifter from Santa. ... Please

ktm08

2013-12-19 08:08:00 UTC

I got my SDR on December 11.Till now I rode 300km and that is all for this winter,i will continue in April.

fatbob

2013-12-19 15:40:00 UTC

157bhp at the wheel.
205kg with half a tank of fuel on board.

Dyno guy only had time for a quick run. Didn't do AFR or put an RPM pickup on so no torque figure till I find out what ratio 5th gear is and work back to it. 4th gear was just spinning up on the dyno...

If anyone with an RC8 is reading - where do you take an rpm reading from normally? The head/coil pack locations look similar. I'm not familiar with coil-on-plug, used to just clipping a probe on an HT lead.

shadowman

2013-12-19 15:52:00 UTC

[quote="DMacL"]157bhp at the wheel.
205kg with half a tank of fuel on board.

I suppose KTM always quote crank then , referencing the 180 claims.
Just hope they don't take the alleged 105ftlb of torque reading from fanny craddocks cook book

gringo

2013-12-19 16:51:00 UTC

Going by how it rides I'm confident the torque figure is accurate. It's not slow...

As I'm feeling lazy, and doing a hundred other things at once, has anyone seen a gear ratio chart anywhere? 5th gear is all I want.

Lowrance

2013-12-19 17:09:00 UTC

A 10% drivetrain loss would give 162 RWHP so that looks to be in the right ballpark.

Looking forward to some owner ride reports once they get out into the wild and people have time and conditions allowing playtime to begin

Colonel_Klinck

2013-12-19 17:26:00 UTC

oh yes, bike is registered and insurance is done, peeing it down in valencia at the mo so i shall pick her up tomorrow

sun for the weekend tho!!!!!!!!!!!

so excited.

Lowrance

2013-12-19 18:04:00 UTC

HP and torque at the crank will be ~ 10-12% less at the wheel due to drive train loss...this always has been and always will be the case for IE engines. Every manufacturer quotes crank HP and torque figures as these numbers are accurate for the engine design (with the possible exception of Ducati...195HP for the Panigali was a bit optimistic).

"Just hope they don't take the alleged 105ftlb of torque reading from fanny craddocks cook book"

It's not possible for you to get a HP reading that's 10% less at the wheel on a dyno and still get crank rated torque. It will be the same percentage less at the wheel vs the crank. We're looking at 90lb/ft odd ish at the wheel. Anyone thinking they are going to see 180HP/106lb/ft on a dyno is in for a dissapointment.

Looks like once someone gets time to uncork this thing we will realistically be looking at 165-170HP and 95lb/ftish at the rear wheel. Not too shabby but don't really see a point until we get the damn overly restrictive electronics sorted.

Stratkat

2013-12-19 22:57:00 UTC

Also remember all dynos are slightly different. DIN compensation should minimise differences but doesn't always. My intentions with the power run today was to get a baseline for later comparisons when I change things on the bike. I'll be going to a different dyno for any mapping needs - the one today is local and handy but the operator is more of a mechanic than a tuner and is a bit out of his depth with electronics and PCs.

Based on the printed graph from the dyno which plots bhp (5bhp divisions) against mph (1 mph divisions), plus a ruler and my eagle eyes, along with a gearing calculator I found on the internet and input drivetrain figures to to figure out rpm from mph, and a wee bit of excel jiggery pokery... Peak torque is as expected. I'm not going to share numbers or graphs as they are innaccurate enough to be misleading.

What I will say is that the torque curve comes out pretty much flat, and the power curve is lovely and linear all the way.

I think to properly represent the engine performance of the bike it'd be necessary to plot actual throttle position along with torque/power, as we don't know what strategies the ECU may use on the butterflies. Away to look at tuneECU cables and software, I'll need a wee project for the week after Xmas

I didn't find the electronics restrictive at all today, it was quite nice to know I didn't have to worry about wheelspin while riding on shitty damp roads. Rain mode was dull and lasted all of about 2 minutes before going to street. Street was interesting - wind on hard the front wheel juuust lifts off the deck then the bike fooks off along the road harder than I could believe. Sport allowed the front to come up a bit more - power wheelies in 4th at 100+ mph are addictive. Didn't much fancy turning MTC off altogether, I'll save that for better conditions another day.

For me street mode will be ideal for making progress through traffic; sport for making progress in the twisties; and MTC off for being a hooligan. Hopefully it will be possible to re-assign rain mode to something interesting!!

I also found the wind blast pretty comfy - there's no appreciable turbulence, just a nice smooth pressure. Ergonomics are good, brakes are awesome. Suspension is wonderful, plush ride yet swift to turn and eager to tip in, it's set the the recommended "comfort" settings just now. I can definitely feel the difference in quality to the CB's budget suspension.

Only niggle so far is the indicator switch - it's only got a small throw and is more of a push than a click across. It's difficult to be sure that you've put the indicator on or cancelled it just by touch. Although I did have winter gloves on and frozen hands.

100 miles in and I'm in love.

gringo

2013-12-19 23:08:00 UTC

Awesome to hear! Seems like 170 rwhp 95 ftlb and under 200kg fueled is not going to be overly difficult

Will almost make you want to keep the electronics on haha

DribbleDuke

2013-12-19 23:29:00 UTC

I hope CPR are getting their hands on a 1290 soon. Want to see what a can and airbox do to that engine.

Lowrance

2013-12-20 00:07:00 UTC

DMacL....

Like you I want to be able to have traction control on but I'd still like to be able to wheelie unhindered by the electronics. KTM have tied the anti wheelie settings into the three riding modes with no ability to adjust them independently. You can turn wheelie control off but you accomplish this by turning TC off altogether. Basically I want my cake and eat it too...so to speak. No doubt the bike is fast in sport mode.

And...hats off to you for heading out in December British weather to provide us some real world insight.

Cheers!

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2013-12-20 02:14:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2013-12-20 13:44:00 UTC

just got back after picking her up, only 7km and mostly dual carrige way but very nimble, impressive wind protection for a naked, smoooth motor but you still know you are on a twin, effortless acceleration, only opened her up a little in 5th and upto 6000rpm but it went very well, so far so good, saturday will be a proper run on my favourite roads so will report back.

have the short plate holder on and it changes a lot how she looks, got the paddock stand also.

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2013-12-20 15:13:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-12-20 17:30:00 UTC

First off, congratulations to the first few owners of the 1290 SDR. It has been great to read your reviews and looking forward to reading more of them as you guys get more seat time. Here in the US we have to wait until Feb/March when the SDR is due to arrive. KTM did have the 1290 at the Long Beach motorcycle show so I was able to see it in person and sit on it. The ergonomics felt very comfortable, fit and finish looked excellent (except for the missing LED blinkers which KTM replaced with bulbs on the US model). It's going to be a long winter waiting for mine.

ktm08

2013-12-21 21:36:00 UTC

Just finished to wrap front fender:

Lowrance

2013-12-22 01:53:00 UTC

Don't know who these chumps are riding these race versions of the 1290 but they need to quit their day jobs and find another line of work. Let someone else worthy go for a rip...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz1kiHZetyw

BassAgent

2013-12-22 05:07:00 UTC

wow that's impressively slow

Ruprecht

2013-12-22 05:13:00 UTC

Malaysian Journo. Doesn't seem to have much big bike experience.
http://www.skillpages.com/motorcycle-jo ... vin.menon#

NEO

2013-12-22 05:31:00 UTC

Here's a recent video of a 1290 SDR tearing up the countryside. All other vehicles beware! And no, it's definitely not me.
http://youtu.be/zumoTgB-2K0

Colonel_Klinck

2013-12-22 10:40:00 UTC

35 minutes long and not a Weelie in sight, oh boy!

NEO

2013-12-22 13:24:00 UTC

I'm shit at wheelies but in sport surely you just crack the throttle and it's never going to get out of control so no excuses.

Lowrance

2013-12-22 13:47:00 UTC

Through 2nd & 3rd gear it's great as long as the tc is off.
A quick shifter is a must buy add on.

scamb66

2013-12-22 14:25:00 UTC

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NEO

2013-12-22 15:28:00 UTC

Feck me,he wasnt even the slowest out there.

Lowrance

2013-12-22 20:07:00 UTC

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jambox

2013-12-22 20:15:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-12-22 23:55:00 UTC

Notice that it has white side panels and not the usual black. Quite like it, not black though.

BassAgent

2013-12-23 01:37:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-12-23 16:37:00 UTC

really guys if you take this the wrong way or not I don't care! I'm disgusted in some of you bloody moaning all the time either on this topic or others, this forum is suppose to be a friendly banter about the topic in hand or to help other guys with problems etc.
NOT take the piss out of other guys on how he drives or he didn't do any wheelies, maybe his experience is not that much or the laws maybe different or maybe he just bloody didn't wont to because he can. this thing about my dick is bigger than yours or my dad is better than your dad bullshit needs to stop theirs always someone better faster and smoother than you but choose not to show off but instead use there skills when needed.

Colonel_Klinck

2013-12-23 16:49:00 UTC

Light hearted banter nothing malicious meant to any rider, its just i enjoy rear wheel action!

Merry Christmas

Ruprecht

2013-12-24 02:08:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2013-12-24 12:32:00 UTC

Tricks are for kids!

Luxamor

2013-12-24 18:32:00 UTC

FYI http://forum.tarantino.info/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=853

prikkie

2013-12-25 10:02:00 UTC

Did a little paint

prikkie

2013-12-26 14:15:00 UTC

That is awesome, thanks for doing. Helps to see different ideas. Can you do black bike, with rear wheel orange, front wheel black, with an orange front fender?

scamb66

2013-12-26 14:26:00 UTC

I dont'like it.

prikkie

2013-12-26 15:39:00 UTC

No, your right. I do not like it either. How about same thing, but black fender and the orange around the headlight like u had previously in the other picture. Last one, promise!

prikkie

2013-12-26 15:49:00 UTC

I do like the orange fender on the front...looks sweet. Makes the front end pop! Ok,ok, last one request. Black bike, black rims, orange front fender, and the 1290 under the tail in orange. If I am getting annoying, just tell me. Do not have your talent, unfortunately.

prikkie

2013-12-26 22:04:00 UTC

How bout either of the two pics with white side panels?

prikkie

2013-12-26 22:13:00 UTC

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2013-12-26 22:17:00 UTC

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2013-12-26 22:18:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2013-12-26 22:22:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2013-12-26 22:28:00 UTC

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Luxamor

2013-12-26 22:32:00 UTC

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ebags

2013-12-26 22:41:00 UTC

Here's one I did earlier in the thread albeit with stock pipes

ktm08

2013-12-26 23:51:00 UTC

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NEO

2013-12-27 00:12:00 UTC

Thank you for your effort! Any other color combos u find or create, please post!

ktm08

2013-12-27 20:57:00 UTC

any plan to get rid of the mirrors?

ktm08

2013-12-27 21:14:00 UTC

First decent video - had to get an external mic for the camera to try and capture the thump of the exhaust. More to come soon.

ktm08 - did you keep a pattern for the tank pad? Or did you just do it by hand?

AGRO!

2013-12-27 22:08:00 UTC

I do it by hand.

ebags

2013-12-27 22:22:00 UTC

DMacL , can you post the picture of the bike lift from the video, maybe give us some measure of it?

ktm08

2013-12-27 23:56:00 UTC

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2013-12-28 01:44:00 UTC

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2013-12-28 07:05:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2013-12-28 07:19:00 UTC

Yes I want build one by myself!

scamb66

2013-12-28 14:31:00 UTC

I'm feeling lazy so I found this for you: http://www.therevcounter.co.uk/uk-motor ... post606733

If you need any other sizes let me know which ones.

Doon

2013-12-28 17:18:00 UTC

Thank you!Today I just made a prototype:

Luxamor

2014-01-02 21:19:00 UTC

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2014-01-02 21:47:00 UTC

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2014-01-02 22:33:00 UTC

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2014-01-03 00:19:00 UTC

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2014-01-03 10:57:00 UTC

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Crotchrockety

2014-01-03 13:11:00 UTC

Working on it. The GM at the KTM dealership referred me to another insurer.

enigma990

2014-01-03 16:46:00 UTC

Just looking at the pics above and it looks like the full Akra system still comes with a cat.

Colonel_Klinck

2014-01-03 17:13:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2014-01-03 18:02:00 UTC

what colour SDR are you getting maximus...orange or black

scamb66

2014-01-03 20:53:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2014-01-03 21:01:00 UTC

Ive only asked for a few things for the SD from the parts list

My dealer sent me all those pics as thats all they have off the parts list at the mo

Lowrance

2014-01-03 21:17:00 UTC

Black for me as well.

Colonel_Klinck

2014-01-04 00:33:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-01-07 16:29:00 UTC

For us UK guy's MCN got a test between 1290, v4r and Speed Triple in it Weds 8th, yes I know it's MCN but it's a start

More looking forward to having the S1r in the mix when it's out than the Speedy

Colonel_Klinck

2014-01-07 18:21:00 UTC

I'll buy/download it tomorrow and post up some screen grabs tomorrow.

Colonel_Klinck

2014-01-07 19:06:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-01-07 20:59:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2014-01-08 14:01:00 UTC

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2014-01-08 15:21:00 UTC

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2014-01-08 15:33:00 UTC

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NEO

2014-01-08 16:13:00 UTC

I think this is the new YouTube version of the comparo just posted:

Ducati Pete

2014-01-08 17:37:00 UTC

I am in the fortunate position to ride both bikes as we are RSV4/Tuono specialists.

My opinion for what its worth is they are both fantastic bikes and neither will disappoint.

V4 Aprilia has a sound to die for ( but so will the ktm after we have finished with it

Colonel_Klinck

2014-01-08 17:52:00 UTC

It has only just dawned on me; I really like the 1290 stock 'zorst.

Lowrance

2014-01-08 18:26:00 UTC

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smackman

2014-01-08 20:09:00 UTC

Thanks for posting that up Klink!

Looks like a good honest article and about what I was expecting although I expected the 1290 to pip the TV4R in the final standings so maybe a little surprised.

A previous poster stated no problem, just get the dongle to retain settings and it's sorted. Um, well no. You've still got the issue of the TC, and Anti wheelie/nose wheelie control linked and cannot be adjusted seperately. They're either both on or off. As mentioned in the article the bike spins it's ass off through third gear with TC off so it'd be nice to have some traction control to handle the copious amounts of torque the bike puts out (read...keep you from ending up on your head from a high side and keep tyre wear in check) and still be able to wheelie if that's your wish (which is my wish). I'm surprised KTM got this so wrong. Again, hopefully a sofware update will fix this glaring oversight. I am imressed they had the presense of mind to offer the SM ABS mode as I do like to slide the rear end about for a bit of fun now and then.

Another issue is the level of standard equipment on the competition (quick shifters, lap timers, tailorable electronics, heated grips, dynamic suspension...the list goes on) and the not insignificant price difference. I just don't understand how KTM can justify the asking price while offering so much less. The additional material it takes to make the 300cc larger pistons and cylinders does not jsutify the difference (this is in jest). The KTM should be less expensive if anything. Guess we are paying for all of the developement time spent on that boat anchor of a swing arm which, in all honesty, I prefer the offerings from Aprilia and BMW. They just look the buisness end of a proper race bike.

Sounds like I'm talking myself out of a new SD-R purchase but as I've stated several times before I will reserve final judgement until I can throw a leg over all three...preferably on the same day.

Wish they'd had the S1R in this shootout. Would've been more relevant IMHO.

Thanks again Klink!

NEO

2014-01-08 20:16:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2014-01-08 20:49:00 UTC

Abs model tested on and off. The KTM brakes are superior.

AGRO!

2014-01-08 22:02:00 UTC

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2014-01-08 22:10:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2014-01-09 01:22:00 UTC

A lot of reviews are just crap!
You are better off making your own judgment when ridding the bike for yourself.
I used to own a brand new speed triple 08 model now everything I read about this bike was its fantastic and handled great but for me it was bad I just didn't trust it in the twisties it would jump out off gear sometimes and the black paint was flaking off.
I also tried every setting to fix it but couldn't find a good compromise I even went to the trouble to find a solution on the net but everyone said it handled great.
It wasn't untill the latest model came out that the real truth of the old model was revealed and yes the handling was not great on the old model.
MCN is biased with the reviews where Triumph are concerned so I never take any notice.

Lowrance

2014-01-09 01:46:00 UTC

Umm I agree with Agro. It seems to me that I can dimly remember the days when bike journalist used to call a spade a spade.
Those days are long since over because if one does then one doesn't get to go on the junkets in Spain, Italy or wherever.

I'd imagine that an early revision of the Instruments will be to make it remember the settings. Unfortunately, this must be a major
oversight because it clearly hasn't got any non-volatile ram. Given the small number of bikes actually shipped it would almost be possible
for KTM or VDO (if that's whose supplying the speedo) to fix the problem now. Allowing changes on the go would be a whole lot harder.

In terms of reviews I despair... how can so many words be written without actually saying anything real.

Edit Self Correction: Well actually it does have NVR because it can remember milage Etc however the software wasn't written to save the settings - a simple change I would have thought.

Lowrance

2014-01-09 02:18:00 UTC

Jman see my post on the previous page, the offroad dongle allows the system to remember the settings for those who use the bike frequently on loose surfaces.

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2014-01-09 02:20:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2014-01-09 03:55:00 UTC

IDK, for me it all comes down to front end feel and that wasn't even mentioned. What I took away from the article is that they are all great bikes. Having ridden 2 of the 3, I'd have to agree.

The Ape is not perfect, but it's pretty good. Why Aprilia chose a 16 tooth front sprocket vs a 15 T is a mystery. That one tooth changes everything.

The STR handles great, but the engine seems a bit weak. Nevertheless I nearly bought it over the Ape.

I'm kinda relieved that the SD is not that much better or more powerful than the Ape. I won't have to explain to the wife why I need another new bike.

The one thing I'm surprised at is KTMs decision to follow BWMs route re TC rather than going the Duc, MV, Ape route with many levels. If you want to do sky high, mile long, wheelies with TC on, the Ape is the bike for you.

AGRO!

2014-01-09 05:57:00 UTC

Just returned from the dealers and looks like the bike is about 4 weeks away. They have just received a new shipment of 1190 ADV's and they came with that.
63 black versions for all of Oz in the initial delivery all sold (apparently). Not sure on orange.

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2014-01-09 10:29:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2014-01-09 11:01:00 UTC

Lol! Next bike will be Japanese. Sorry Mr KTM, Mr BMW, Mr Guzzy, Mr Aprilia, Mr Triumph

gringo

2014-01-09 11:32:00 UTC

well i collected mine and rode it home all of 7kms on friday 20th, then had two weeks holiday and everyday was sun sun sun so i was on her nearly every day, impresiones, comfy, sounds good, light to move around, didnt use the brakes much but they seem fine, today she still has 7km!!

saturday 21st, doing some very bad karate move showing my son how its done and broke the knuckle on my small finger on the right hand...........................................

been in plaster since then, two week xray fine but next one is 4th feb and hope thats the end of the plaster.

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2014-01-09 15:32:00 UTC

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smackman

2014-01-09 16:51:00 UTC

After Reading the whole test . Ktm has an massive Engine with lots of middle Power and wheelies like an crazy with aids off.

Aprilia Tv4 has better brakes "fact"

Somthing must been wrong cos from 0-80mph Triumph and Ktm was almost draw and tv4 was a pretty far behind that seems wierd or it just be gearing .

Anyway it was an nice Review . they even compaired new vs old Sd ! Download it .

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2014-01-09 17:20:00 UTC

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Superdan

2014-01-09 18:32:00 UTC

So you have to spent 30 seconds switching everything off on the KTM to get it go properly, what a PITA pretty sure the KTM TC unit is BOSCH who also do Aprilia's version so dont know why they did not sort it properly, seems like a big oversight which I think will be rectified at some point.

Reading the 0-60 times seems a little odd, thought the KTM might beat the TV4 but certainly not the Trumpet, but the TV4 did show 170mph on the clocks, I guess the TV4 is all about power up top.

Either way think I will be sticking my TV4 for a bit yet.

Megatron09

2014-01-09 18:42:00 UTC

Woo! Hopefully should have mine late jan early February can't wait!
Though, the rsv4 and dorso have been giving me the sad look lol

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2014-01-09 21:39:00 UTC

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Luxamor

2014-01-09 21:59:00 UTC

I agree, a lot of indecision and second guessing over the bike for people. Electronics? I been riding 25 years and currently ride a BMW S1000rr. All of a sudden it seems we can not ride motorcycles with out all these rider aides! How did we survive before the ABS/TC era? I hope people do move on to other bikes because that will make my KTM even cooler when I ride by. each to the own and you must love what you have to ride, so do not fault anyone for buying a bike they THINK is the best. I am not looking for the best bike for the money or the best bike based on some noobs say is the best bike for me. You like it......buy it and quit whining! Money is money. If you do not over pay for the KTM, if that is your belief, you will waste that money some other way in your life. So, buy what your soul tells you and live life.

Remember, no one cares if you are the richest guy in the cemetery! Your last check should be to the undertaker and it should bounce!

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2014-01-09 22:13:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2014-01-09 22:15:00 UTC

Aides are for Gays

Ducati Pete

2014-01-09 22:18:00 UTC

Obviously there's a lot that spec sheets, performance figures and dyno graphs can't tell you, but those roll on times and that torque graph are very suggestive of the sort of ride that appeals to me.

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2014-01-09 22:37:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2014-01-10 00:08:00 UTC

Having owned a 7 grand GSXR750 that could pretty much hang with anything, the bar, as far as value and quality is set pretty high!

The Japanese have been doing it so good for so long I think we start to forget just how spoilt we really are. The European manufacturer's can't make a great bike for the lower price of a Japanese sports bike and if they do it always seems to have problems.

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2014-01-10 00:26:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2014-01-10 01:51:00 UTC

Erganomics and comfort are also a big thing. Even if I wanted the ape or the bmw I know my legs would hate me, stupid long inseam.

Question for dmac and the other current SD owners, how tall are you and what is your inseam measurement?

AGRO!

2014-01-10 02:05:00 UTC

Can't speak to the BMW yet but the 1290 has substantially more leg room than the Tuono.

Lowrance

2014-01-10 11:25:00 UTC

1290 will wheelie like crazy with traction control on. It'll also spin the rear wheel if you provoke it hard enough.

It'll also do 160mph indicated without trying very hard.

I'm definitely happy with my purchase and I have to wonder if MCN has an agenda or perhaps doesn't quite "get" naked bikes.

I'm confident I'll keep up with the fast guys I ride with on their sportsbikes on the 1290, all while having more fun on the back wheel and being far more comfortable. Is that not the point of a naked bike?

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2014-01-10 13:05:00 UTC

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2014-01-10 14:52:00 UTC

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Superdan

2014-01-10 15:17:00 UTC

Is it possible to transition into the "highchair" wheelie position in these modes?

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2014-01-10 18:40:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2014-01-10 18:47:00 UTC

Part 2:

Lowrance

2014-01-10 19:12:00 UTC

If you provoke it hard enough it'll wheelie a foot or two in street mode. I almost had a moment accelerating out of a steep uphill turn the front came up more than I expected.

Haven't tried shifting gear while front is in the air yet, won't until there's more grip out.

Traction control sets it down quite gently if it lifts a lot, feels just like you'd rolled off the throttle a wee bit. If it just lifts and no more it'll skim along nicely in street.
TC fighting for grip is like it's not giving you as much gas as you're asking for. Both of these characteristics make sense as I think TC is only provided by throttle control.

I've also experienced wheel spin into a wheelie when changing into second after pulling away, my throttle control definitely isn't good enough to do that so I blame the TC.

I'm still learning the bike so not attempting to prolong wheelies yet.

Superdan

2014-01-10 19:14:00 UTC

That was really good to watch thanks. 4mph difference is not to worry about just trying to hold on at that speed will be hard enough. Lol
Dont think ill ever reach that around linconshires roads, All that from a standard bike, imagine what it be like once tuned. God I cant wait for summer!
just getting my wheels painted like the prototype then once done I can then get back out and finish breaking it in.

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2014-01-10 19:35:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2014-01-10 19:54:00 UTC

160rwhp is a little less than I was expecting (was thinking 165ish from 180 at the crank) but HOLY FFUCK.....99lb/ft of torque at the wheel is bloody massive...way more than I thought we'd be seeing on a dyno, any dyno! The motor is just going to get stronger over the first few thousand miles as well due to KTM's penchant for using fully synthetic oil, including during break-in.

"Yes, yes, yes" (Kimi Raikkonen) I know...dynos vary and all that.

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Lowrance

2014-01-11 02:34:00 UTC

Except, unlike the HD, it's not as if the 1290 is lacking in outright power either (unless you were expecting it to be going head to head with the S1000RR?).
It's all about the real world performance characteristics. Same as the upright riding position and wide bars of the nakeds.
The 1000 V4 (and probably the S1000R's IL4) might make comparable peak power, but the feeling of riding a relatively low and wide bike (the sensation of speed, not just the lack of leg room), dancing on the gear shift to keep it high in the rev range, isn't what I'm after.
The deceptive speed of a big torquey twin (more torque from just under 4K rpm than the Tuono makes at peak), grunting out of corners in whichever gear you happen to be in, not to mention the sound and feel of the power pulses. Totally different.
Of course I haven't actually ridden the 1290 SDR yet, but the comparison of a 4.79s 3rd gear 30-100mph, to the Tuono's 7.3s, certainly suggests that the ride difference is what I'd expect in that regard.
The price and lack of adjustment in the electronics is a fair knock against the KTM, but the differences aren't big enough, and those just aren't important enough factors, to overcome that engine.
I was more concerned about the herky jerky throttle, or going the other way into vague and disconnected, but apparently they've gotten that nailed.
I find it strange that MCN hammered the lack of a save feature for the settings, but didn't mention the dongle (they mentioned it in their previous ride review from Ascari).
Also, from that last video, it looks like the KTM's speedo is about 30kmh off!

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2014-01-11 02:44:00 UTC

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2014_SDR

2014-01-11 05:36:00 UTC

Just want to make sure I'm getting this right? The Super Duke is more comfortable than the Tuono (subjective I know) but no question it has more leg room and it feels significantly lighter. I believe MCN said the SD feels like a 750 while the Tuono feels like a litre bike by comparison. The SD has more power across the entire rev range than the Tuono and develops nearly 100 lb/ft of torque. It out accelerates the Tuono in every measurable way except for 160 - 164MPH acceleration. Yet in spite of all of that the Tuono is the better bike because it has more flexible traction control programming? I know what bike sounds like more fun to ride to me.

I do admit I thought the SD would be at least $1,000 USD cheaper than where they decided to price it and I guess it would be nice to have more options from the traction control but based on what I'm seeing described in the MCN shootout I can't imagine opting for the Tuono over the SD based on the electronics package alone? Is changing traction control settings on the fly really that much of a benefit? For street use I always imagined traction control as more of a set it and forget it type of thing. I can't imagine fiddling with settings while riding. As Lowrance pointed out it would be nice to have traction control on at the same time wheelie control is turned off but that's certainly not a deal breaker for me. I don't really find myself riding 12 o'clock wheelies around all day like Jason Britton or something. For one it slows me down in the corners and two, it really draws law enforcements attention. Lofting the front wheel a foot or so off the street while exiting a corner is the most fun I have with wheelies. If you want to do a full blown Hollywood Stuntz routine just turn the TC off altogether. Needless to say, these are just my opinions. All 3 of the bikes in the shootout look great, especially the KTM and the Tuono but for the type of riding I enjoy the KTM still sounds like the clear choice. I can't wait to do some test riding this Spring/Summer to figure out once and for all which one I like best.

Stratkat

2014-01-11 09:36:00 UTC

So, my three and half year old Suzuki B-king makes more Power 172hp (160) and has more Torque 105 ft-lbs (99) than the SDR.

Unlike some I’ve got 1290, parked next to my B-King the KTM looks like a skinny supermodel and the Suzuki looks like a steroid fuelled bodybuilder but am I bothered by any of this? (No) I have brought both because I like what they are (naked with large cc) and how they are styled. I would never have brought a Tuono I don’t like it’s styling, surely you’ve got to like the look of a bike that you spend your hard earned money on.

I see the TC off debate as a pointless gripe, if you want the TC permanently off you buy the dongle. Or do people want to be changing it on/off during a single ride?

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2014-01-11 10:06:00 UTC

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2014-01-11 15:06:00 UTC

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2014_SDR

2014-01-11 16:18:00 UTC

^^^THIS^^^

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2014-01-11 17:19:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-01-11 18:18:00 UTC

My other bike has 200hp and no TC. Admittedly it's higher geared and a bit heavier but I haven't had any issues as the wrist can be used for TC when it's not busy with other functions.

I have never had a bike with TC but I have driven many powerful cars with no end of modes. In my experience with cars everybody fiddles like mad to start with and eventually finds one they like (usually comfort or auto) and then never touches it again. My guess is that most here would leave abs on and TC off and just get on with it.

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2014-01-11 20:49:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-01-11 20:53:00 UTC

Ya know I'd settle for something really simple - perhaps like four buttons across the handlebar block: Press the first button and everything is off. Press the next and User1 Mode is on - something like rain but retaining the settings I stored last time. Press the next button and User2 mode is on which I've set up with race settings Etc. Obviously the name User1 also needs to be programmable and the whole thing happens on the fly. Ya know EVEN my car radio does it.

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2014_SDR

2014-01-11 22:55:00 UTC

^^^What Luxamor said^^^

Is this bike too much for me? Probably. Will I get anywhere near it's potential? Probably not.
I don't give fook if I have to press a couple of buttons to turn TC on/off every time I ride the bike, probably stay on anyways, if it becomes annoying I will buy the dongle.
Hardly going to make or break my decision to buy the bike. Would rather have it than not.
I am passed middle age, kids are just about out of the house, I worked hard all my life, went without a bike for years while mortgage and kids came first (you get the drift).
This is my first chance to ever own a new bike so WTF if I want to spoil myself, I think I deserve it. Who give a toss if it's to feeds my ego.
Yep it's an expensive bike but still cheaper than your average HD and there are plenty of those tooling about.
Just hope the forum doesn't go down the road of the have's/have not's, unless of course the 1290 turns out to be dogs breakfast.

But like Luxamor the main reason I am getting one is because it's ok with my wife. Bless her.

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2014-01-12 04:57:00 UTC

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fatbob

2014-01-12 06:15:00 UTC

Looking at the MCN write up a little more closely, the Tuono they test has a large screen on it whereas the Speed and the 1290 don't. I say take that off and try the top speed run again or put screens on all three. Some may say don't be a sore toss about it, it's only 5mph! But I would wager it pull 5mph less without that screen.

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2014-01-12 23:33:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2014-01-13 00:54:00 UTC

Given the T/C vs. Wheelie control debate going on, I thought it might be enlightening to see KTM says about the issue.

The March 2014 issue of Sportrider magazine has an abbreviated interview with Peter Gorbach, KTM's Engine Manager. The piece discusses the lengths KTM undertook to make sure the bike's fueling was spot on. The last paragraph of the interview talks about wheelie control:

"Why doesn't the traction control allow wheelies? The tough thing is to develop a system so that when you're wheeling, it [the front wheel] comes down smoothly. We are testing but it's still not yet at the level that we want to introduce it."

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Lowrance

2014-01-13 21:03:00 UTC

God I love that bike! Around the 4 minute mark the front end starts to lift when he accelerates....is that with the TC on or off you think? Granted not long wheelies, but the front end comes up like three times. At the 520 mark a black cat crosses in front of him and narrowly escapes being eatin alive by the BEAST!

Ruprecht

2014-01-14 00:05:00 UTC

You do love this bike! Double post

TLS_Russ

2014-01-14 02:38:00 UTC

I think the TC was still "on" although I didnt see the TC light up on the dashboard but he was also not thrashing it everywhere becuase its still being run in and of course there is the dreaded traffic to spoil the fun. Notice the shift light coming on early in the rev range. Rev limited for the first 1000 K's I thought.
Nice video "iannowi" and thanks for posting - very enjoyable and the bike looks great. Looks very easy to go fast on as well
I could watch this stuff for hours and cant wait to get mine and do the same things........

fatbob

2014-01-14 03:17:00 UTC

And our bretheren from Malaysia chime in....

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Ruprecht

2014-01-14 05:46:00 UTC

Must have thought he was on the 390. Well, there's one that will not be making to the US for the dealer demos. Silly jurno...don't need the clutch on a 99lb/ft torque monster.

gringo

2014-01-14 05:54:00 UTC

I hope this is hte binned bike and not a sign of KTM's lack of quality....

Check out the LH side rad shroud flopping in the breeze.

Sure am glad I wasn't out on track with those knuckleheads...

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Lowrance

2014-01-15 01:47:00 UTC

I started to watch that vid - but then the guy started to weave out of the gate ... No reason to watch further. Clueless.

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Lowrance

2014-01-16 03:46:00 UTC

Quick change of subject.
Does anyone know what oil comes in the 1290 when delivered - is it mineral or synthetic?
Does anyone know what material the bores are in the 1290 - Cast or steel or Nikasil etc? I know they use Nikasil in some of their highly strung dirt bikes!
And finally - whats with the first start and idle for 15 minutes once the software is unlocked from transport mode. I cant think of a worse way to bed a new engine in
Thanks

fatbob

2014-01-16 04:07:00 UTC

If it's s the sAme as the 990, it's so the ECU can find itself

Lowrance

2014-01-16 04:42:00 UTC

Like all KTMs....fully synthetic. I don't necessarily agree with this as it takes longer for the piston rings to seat against the cylinder bores. Eveidence is the excessive oil consumption for the first 5K miles or so on the original SDs.

Not sure about the cylinder wall material but would assume nikasil.

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2014_SDR

2014-01-16 13:29:00 UTC

Mine used oil (not excessive mind compared to some on this forum) for about 3K miles. I'm in the "breakem in hard camp". I run them to redline, vary RPM and row through the gear box. Only thing you don't do is sit at an RPM, any RPM, for extended periods.

I've broken in several new machines over the years and this is the only one that's used oil after 500 miles. Only real diff is the fully synthetic oil.

Lots of opinions on this subject and certainly don't want to get into a debate as it's been hammered to death throughout the history of the IC engine.

2014_SDR

2014-01-18 18:04:00 UTC

And the warranty claim is?

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bic_bicknell

2014-01-18 18:37:00 UTC

Interesting to read discussion, re: the price point of the SDR, so I thought I'd just go out and gather some prices of other 2014 bikes to compare.
These are all U.S. dollars base MSRP.

* KTM 1290 Super Duke R $16,999

* KTM 1190 Adventure R $16,799

* KTM 1190 RC8 R $16,499

* Diavel Dark $17,700

* Multistrada S Touring $19,995

* Monster 1200 S $15,995

* BMW S 1000 R $15,500 (estimated since price not announced yet)

* BMW R 1200 GS $16,100

* BMW K 1300 S $15,750

* Tuono V4 R ABS $14,500

* Honda VFR1200F (2013) $15,999

* Kawasaki Z1000 ABS $11,999

* Moto Guzzi Griso 8V SE $12,990

* H-D V-Rod Muscle $15,849

* H-D Fat Bob ABS $16,494

Luxamor

2014-01-18 20:12:00 UTC

Looks quite reasonable when you look at in like that.

The Kawasaki is the clear winner on value I guess from that list but what is the point on spending anything on something that isnt what you want.

If you want it and can afford it then dive in and have fun

Stupid Luke

2014-01-18 21:47:00 UTC

I guess I'm still in la la land when it comes to bike prices I am willing to pay.

I still think on circa £8000+ as a very high price to pay for a bike. I think I bought my brand new '07 Superduke in 2007 for £7K and that was the most I ever have paid for a bike - ever. And I got a free Akra exhaust and lost of axtras with that deal. Anything over £10K and it's just out of acceptable reach for me, it's in Bimota or high-end Ducati territiory. It's not that I can't afford it - I could buy a new 1290 now with cash now - it's just that I'm not willing to spend that much on the initial outlay for a motorbike. Maybe I just haven't moved with the times and inflation

Because, realistically I will also want to spend a load more to make it the bike I want to own. Exhaust mods, free breathing mods, cosmetic improvements etc. I can't even begin to add up what I've spent on my SD over the last 6 years to get where I am now. It will certainly add up to more than 6K on top of the original purchase price but that cost is spread over those years so it's been acceptable.

I think that KTM have seriously overpriced the 1290 and will have to review this against the competition. Gad knows what they are later going to say to the first customers who have paid this amount for the first batch. Or they will stick to their guns and have a model that is not a big sales success.

scamb66

2014-01-18 22:42:00 UTC

I might be in the minority, but I don't think the price on the SDR is that high by comparison, especially when one considers standard equipment. Most of the bikes I listed rarely go out the door even close to those prices with the different variations and add-ons many buyers apply.
For instance, the BMW K 1300 S in the Special Edition here in the US with all the add-ons and special paint lists for about $18,700. I'm guessing a well appointed S 1000 R with options will probably go for about $17,000. The Monster 1200 S with a bunch of whiz bang accessories will easily hit $18,000. And the Harleys? Mod prices for those go up starting with the paint.
The Multistrada is well equipped as stock and measures up to the SDR, but the price is killer. The Diavel is pricey too, without much in the way of performance upgrades except TuneBoy maybe, but mostly carbon farkles. A mid-year model with a new dual spark might help.
Anyway....they all have their own personality and offer plenty of choices. I have to agree with shadowman though. I think it's more about "if you want it."

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Blackduke77

2014-01-18 22:54:00 UTC

Guys down in australia please confirm this about the exhaust, found this on..( 1290superduker site ) Dealer advice: Australian delivery now firming up to "mid February". I was also was told the prototype exhaust can be ordered, despite the Q!

scamb66

2014-01-18 22:59:00 UTC

Just a quick comparo in Ozzie $$$, SDR is pretty well placed in the market, only really 1-2k off the mark.
Most pricing seems to be what the market can bear when you look at the delta between the Multistrada ($11,195) and the VFR ($991).
People wont pay premium for Japanese bikes whilst European bikes are still held in (marketed) higher regard.
HD are totally differnet market, people usually only buy into the idea of an image and most are not true motorcyclists, so inevitably will pay whatever to achieve 'the dream'.

* KTM 1290 Super Duke R $16,999 AUD$24,990

* KTM 1190 Adventure R $16,799, AUD$24,500

* KTM 1190 RC8 R $16,499, AUD$27,390

* Diavel Dark $17,700, AUD$26,190

* Multistrada S Touring $19,995, AUD$31,190

* Monster 1200 S $15,995 NA

* BMW S 1000 R $15,500 (estimated since price not announced yet) AUD$ no price yet

* BMW R 1200 GS $16,100, AUD$26,964

* BMW K 1300 S $15,750, AUD$24,080

* Tuono V4 R ABS $14,500, $24,790

* Honda VFR1200F (2013) $15,999, AUD$16,990

* Kawasaki Z1000 ABS $11,999, AUD$17,999

* Moto Guzzi Griso 8V SE $12,990, AUD$23,990

* H-D V-Rod Muscle $15,849, AUD$26,750

* H-D Fat Bob ABS $16,494, AUD$25,495

MrK

2014-01-18 23:18:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2014-01-18 23:23:00 UTC

Guess I'll just have to wait but don't want to waste money in buying the ackra then the prototype comes out.!,

Lowrance

2014-01-18 23:29:00 UTC

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Paulzilla

2014-01-19 00:11:00 UTC

Aussie Price for the S 1000 R is $18,990 for the base model which is actually the european sports model + $1,150 for the Dynamic package which includes the DDC, heated grips and chin spoiler. All prices confirmed. So all up including on roads you will be in the $22,000 area for one.

soarsore

2014-01-19 16:25:00 UTC

Just wait until this time next year, I bet there will be a whack of them that have been hardly broken in by people who bought them and then figured it was too much for them to ride. Nearly half price. Lol

Luxamor

2014-01-19 22:20:00 UTC

Facebook link for the Malaysian journo who binned the 1290

Stratkat

2014-01-21 18:28:00 UTC

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MrK

2014-01-21 19:15:00 UTC

I don't know why, but I don't like te look of S1000R. Is... ugly, whatever the price is.

Lowrance

2014-01-21 20:07:00 UTC

"Form follows functinon" and "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and all that....

The only thing that doesn't impress me with the BMW is the IL4 (I would prefer the sound/width of a V4 or V2) but, by all accounts coming out of Spain, the motor is brilliant. I think this bike will impress come shootout time. Especially when you take into account all of the bennies this bike has and the lower price point. I've always been a bang for the buck kind of guy.

aluminium fuel tank as well.

Come-on shootouts! And of course, test rides. Going to be a long 3 months.

Stratkat

2014-01-21 20:32:00 UTC

I must admit I'm struggling to come to grips with the headlamp they put on the S1000R. Certainly, the toughest part of a naked bike to make look good as many manufacturers have tried and few have succeeded IMHO. Maybe it's just that I'm used to it now but I actually prefer the look of the front fairing on the Tuono to the S1000R and people give the Tuono holy hell over how ugly the mask is. I so badly want to like the BMW though because it does appear to be a superb all around motorcycle at an extraordinarily reasonable price given all of the techno goodies it comes with. The question I'm still asking myself is how much of that stuff will I actually use? The highly adjustable TC functions and quick shifter are fantastic but would I derive more enjoyment out of fiddling with electronic rider aids more than the feeling of 100 lb/ft of torque that the SD provides with every twist of the wrist? I truly wish the SD's price were more in line with its competitors but in the end I won't let a couple thousand dollars change my mind if I ride the new SD and decide that I prefer it to the Tuono an S1000R. Once you've committed to spend at least $15K on a new motorcycle another $2K shouldn't deter you from getting the bike you like the most. Of course, that implies that the new SD will be that much more fun to ride than either the S1000R or the Tuono and that is yet to be determined for me personally.

Lowrance,
You mentioned the tank on the BMW is metal which is a huge plus for me after having to get my polyamide SD tank replaced a couple of years ago and then having the replacement tank professionally coated in an effort to prevent further ethanol induced deformation. I believe the Tuono still uses a polyamide tank as well but do we know what the SD tank is? It appears to be a polyethylene tank under a painted plastic cover which would be very resistant to ethanol damage but has that been confirmed? God, I hope KTM didn't put another polyamide tank on the new bike after all the problems some of us went through with the first one. A polyethylene tank may actually be a better solution than even a metal tank as they can corrode, etc.

Lowrance

2014-01-21 20:57:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2014-01-21 21:18:00 UTC

The tank on the BMW is aluminium...unfortunately this forum will not let me spell it correctly.... No corrosion issues. Don't know what KTM have done with their tank and yes, apparently Aprilia have not learned their lesson with the erlier Tuono's, RSV4s, etc.

Bang for the buck has nothing to do with bargain....and yes, if I prefer the new SD-R I will be purchasing it. It all comes down to the subjective reviews and my personal rinding impressions of the contenders. Nothing else. I will not be swayed by pre-delivery hype or forum opinions. But I typically refuse to pay more for one manufacturer's inferior product over another's superior product....all things considered.

Ruprecht

2014-01-22 01:20:00 UTC

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2014-01-22 02:02:00 UTC

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Stratkat

2014-01-22 02:33:00 UTC

Have to agree with Rup on this one....these bikes couldn't be much more different from one another. Strat's probably right in that the performance will be very close between the three but they'll all achieve this level of perfomance in different ways.

My ideal biike would be he 1290 motor and brakes (riding position and leg room), the Aprilias work of art swing arm and rising rate linkage (and the mechanical symphony that is the exhaust note), the BMWs electronic/semi active suspension and other electronic goodies (quick shifter, heated grips, cruise control, lap timer, push of a button damping changes, etc, etc, etc) all at the BMWs price point. This bike does not exist so I will have to compromise. But judging by the reports I've read so far there is not much of a compromise no matter which one I choose.

Just got a pricing and projected delivery info from LB BMW. I'll post it under the S1R thread I started.

scamb66

2014-01-22 05:15:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2014-01-22 06:51:00 UTC

Just got off the phone from the dealer and I have been offered the first SDR in West Oz but it's orange. Another 3 week wait for a black one.DILEMMA

**EDIT fook it, orange it is.

soarsore

2014-01-22 07:06:00 UTC

Found this to be pretty cool (even changed my avatar haha) Thought I'd share!

scamb66

2014-01-22 07:29:00 UTC

As someone who named their motorbike from an Anime, that's quite AWESOME!

Ruprecht

2014-01-22 09:34:00 UTC

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enigma990

2014-01-22 12:56:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2014-01-22 13:42:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2014-01-22 13:45:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2014-01-22 15:33:00 UTC

Just seen DMacL's SDR at our local (ish) KTM dealers. It's absolutely beautiful in the flesh. I can't wait to get mine now but delivery has been put back to the end of March . Demand does seem to be outstripping supply at the moment for whatever reason. Pretty frustrating for the dealers as I do believe they have plenty of people keen to buy but a very limited allocation.

Ruprecht

2014-01-22 19:04:00 UTC

Sorry if this has been posted before, 1290 track day.....watch out race reps

Colonel_Klinck

2014-01-22 22:30:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2014-01-22 22:36:00 UTC

Ok so now I have a better idea. Lights on the TC and ABS are off. Lights off means they are on. Lights off and flashing means they are intervening.

Ruprecht

2014-01-23 08:02:00 UTC

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gringo

2014-01-23 08:09:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-01-23 08:31:00 UTC

Yup. I'm hoping it will harden as it ages; but after only 570 miles there is considerable light marring to the top surface of the paint, which has only been touched by my Scott leathers with no exposed zips, and clean wash cloths. Dealer mentioned that black RC8s had a similar issue.

Colonel_Klinck

2014-01-23 10:09:00 UTC

i remember sitting on one at the show and thinking that the whole switchgear on the bars was cheap and nasty plastic and would give problems, mind you didnt stopme buying one......

still waiting for the 4th feb to get the cast off then will be like a rat up a drainpipe and straight onto the bike and finally get to run it in.

Lowrance

2014-01-23 10:10:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-01-23 11:01:00 UTC

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2014-01-23 11:15:00 UTC

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enigma990

2014-01-23 14:34:00 UTC

Finally here it is. Picked it up this morning.

Managed a 200km shake down weather was a bit warm for it (Sorry DMacL)

Left over ADR bits from the rear guard
What is the black sticker on the right hand side for???

First impressions??
Didnt go too hard today, just getting to know each other.
Well its an SD no doubt about it. Feels like one rides like one, instantly at home.
Ergos are good, pegs seem maybe a little higher. First one I sat on at the show was a bit lower as I could flat foot with both feet, this is about the same, tiptoes with both.
Seat is not as shaped as an SD and not as square as an SDR, no real complaints though.
The extra 10kg over my 06 SD is hardly noticeable and still feels like the sub 200kg bike it is.
Brakes are as good as you would expect from Brembo.
Not sure where the suspension settings were at but the ride was nowhere near as harsh as the SD with its settings sitting midway. For road 1290 felt a lot comfier, how it handles the track will have to see.
Pillion accommodation is improved with a bigger seat the does not angle the passenger toward the rider. Bride gives it a thumbs up.
Steering did not feel as agile as the old girl which has a nice skittishness about it under hard acceleration that I enjoy. Felt a little slower in general. The SD is sans damper so that might make a bit of difference.
Fueling is absolutely spot on. As you can see by the middle pic not exactly the coolest of conditions (was actually only about 40C ), hot days and traffic are my 06 worst possible riding conditions, it hates it, fueling is shit, coughs, snatchy, no fun at all. Made no difference at all with the 1290, big plus was that it creates no more heat than a SD and without the fairing direction searing temps to your lower legs of the RC8 it was pretty normal.
Played around a little with the settings but with the 7k rpm restriction it s hardly a noticeable change below that. The couple of times I pushed it a little it was beyond eager.
TBH all the bitching about the settings is in reality only a minor annoyance that a dongle will sort. Takes fook all anyway. Hardly enough to base you decision on whether to purchase it or not.
THis engine is going to be great fun when finally unleashed.
It make fairly good low down power from as little a 3K but likes it better above 4.5k.
At 120kmh the engine is only doing 4k RPM and feels lazy. Gearbox is slick and ratios seem good.
Pipe has a good low note but is nowhere near loud enough, hurry up will you Neo!!!
Summing up, so far I am happy with my purchase even though t really doesnt feel a lot different from my 06 SD, the fun will start once the 7k rev limit has ceased...only 800km to go.

ktm08

2014-01-23 14:44:00 UTC

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shadowman

2014-01-23 14:55:00 UTC

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ktm08

2014-01-23 15:05:00 UTC

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shadowman

2014-01-23 15:08:00 UTC

the only black sticker i had with mine was for the swingarm

Colonel_Klinck

2014-01-23 15:15:00 UTC

Nice one Scram, tho ditto with the Colonel there and hope the tyres melt in that heat you got there at the mo

ktm08

2014-01-23 15:18:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2014-01-23 15:27:00 UTC

Looks great.

When it cools down a bit you are going to have a lot of fun

Looking forward to your report once you have broken it in and eliminated the chicken strips!!

scamb66

2014-01-23 17:04:00 UTC

Till now I rode only 3 wet days!None of the removal of chicken strips for now,it will be in a garage until April when I will come back from Australia and then I start on the favorite coast road:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGhEdGpFXgc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0AGxltQJjs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57a6OXWToJ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvUu_JlR5U0

Ducati Pete

2014-01-24 00:00:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2014-01-24 11:44:00 UTC

Cold wet roads? Great fun! Just watch out for the mud and leaves at random points.

Camera mount is still a bit shit, excuse the vibration.

shadowman

2014-01-24 17:03:00 UTC

And another.

Luxamor

2014-01-24 17:12:00 UTC

Hah! The way the vibrations distort the image when you hit the gas gives it a very surreal effect.
Like the 1290 is bending space and time.

Colonel_Klinck

2014-01-24 17:25:00 UTC

If SD.net had a like button I would have pressed it.

Lousy conditions but great vids - thanks

Lowrance

2014-01-24 17:45:00 UTC

Thanks for posting the vids DMacL.

scamb66

2014-01-24 18:30:00 UTC

Fair play dude you were giving it some beans in those conditions. Bigger balls than me. I do like th effect when you get on the gas. It's almost like warp drive How is compared to the standard SD power wise??

Colonel_Klinck

2014-01-24 18:41:00 UTC

BassAgent

2014-01-24 19:39:00 UTC

Wodner what the wind-chill factor is at 130mph....

2014_SDR

2014-01-24 20:00:00 UTC

I have thick Scott leathers and Sidi Goretex boots, underneath is thermal long johns & socks and thermal top, t-shirt and fleece on top half. Then a fleece/windproof neck muff and a cotton balaclava under my lid. Add winter spec gloves and it's not as cold as you'd think!

(Bit of a pain when you have the squits and need to get out your gear in a hurry though )

scamb66

2014-01-24 22:59:00 UTC

Fun definitely seem to start post 7000rpm. looks like it would be a great ride in the dry.

& why dont we have a like button??

shadowman

2014-01-25 00:17:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2014-01-25 02:37:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2014-01-25 02:44:00 UTC

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CEREC1

2014-01-25 22:10:00 UTC

I'm not worried. Just know of a guy who got pulled on the strength of video footage on IOM. Spent a night in jail then sent home. Ruined his holiday.

Colonel_Klinck

2014-01-25 22:22:00 UTC

DMacL I'm sure comments were only meant to protect who ever that rider is from possible strife with the law if they weren't aware that some people have got in trouble from posting to YouTube. Who ever the rider is, I for one am grateful to see that bike performing.

scamb66

2014-01-26 02:16:00 UTC

Dmacl does you bike come with Data Dot?

Both the 1290 and the wifes 390 have KTM ID (Data Dot) supplied by KTM Australia, it's a great initiative and would be nice to see that KTM are doing it worldwide.

Lowrance

2014-01-26 02:23:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-01-26 05:40:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2014-01-26 07:13:00 UTC

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Ruprecht

2014-01-26 07:33:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-01-26 08:16:00 UTC

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kevxtx

2014-01-26 08:41:00 UTC

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enigma990

2014-01-26 08:47:00 UTC

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Megatron09

2014-01-26 09:32:00 UTC

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kevxtx

2014-01-26 10:53:00 UTC

3 X 1290's in Springwood show room here in Brisbane.

ktm08

2014-01-26 13:45:00 UTC

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kevxtx

2014-01-26 20:00:00 UTC

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2014_SDR

2014-01-27 08:29:00 UTC

Where's mine! if they have started to show up in Oz, then I want to know why I haven't had a call, I have an order in.

That's it, first thing in the morning I am on the phone to dealer

gringo

2014-01-27 09:47:00 UTC

He he! One is mine but came in when I had to go away for work

2014_SDR

2014-01-28 00:22:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2014-01-28 09:08:00 UTC

I just finished with this modification for on-off ABS and TC:
viewtopic.php?f=29&t=22648&p=279238#p279238

ebags

2014-01-28 11:44:00 UTC

Yes saw it but does not work on the 1190, when the signal goes open circuit on the 1190 from the rear sensor the electronic adjustable suspension is also is affected, so you need to change the input hall affect signal to the ABS ECU & create a new signal so you don't get all the lights on the dash & only the yellow ABS light will come on with no warnings.

MrK

2014-01-28 13:53:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-01-28 23:29:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-01-29 01:09:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-01-29 01:22:00 UTC

Can I ask all our Australian owners how much there insurance costs are and who are they are insured with - I have a feeling the insurance costs are going to hurt when I get mine

SuperHoon

2014-01-29 03:40:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-01-29 03:52:00 UTC

Umm ... both of mine are with QBE because they were prepared to extend my original "cheap" price to both. I think it is also about $450 each. Shannons on the other hand wanted about $900 each because they are in the "high risk" category based on the number of previous write-offs. At the time there was something like 41 in Oz of which they'd had claims on 23!!! We have a rider here in SA who is single handedly trying to triple the insurance premiums.

scamb66

2014-01-29 04:39:00 UTC

$450! Is that for comprehensive insurance on the 1290!
I was quoted $1250 by QBE for an RC8 so how come the 1290 is only $450 for you guys - I'm confused
I guess I will have to give them another call - yippee I love insurance companies.............

kevxtx

2014-01-29 05:08:00 UTC

$434 with QBE but I'm old, good driving record and no accidents. This is about the same as the 990.

Lowrance

2014-01-29 05:38:00 UTC

[quote="Ruprecht"][quote="speedfiend41"]Ha! Fair call Rup. Beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder. It's in the South Rd dealer - the one that used to sell Ducati.[/quote]

Ah right. I just rode past Kessner, and it looked like they might have one as well, but barely visible through the glass.[/quote]

Yeah, they've got one.

kevxtx

2014-01-29 06:47:00 UTC

anyone want to swap a rc8r for a 1290? haha fook i'm jealous.

when do we find out who wins the 1290's from KTM?

fatbob

2014-01-29 09:01:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-01-29 09:42:00 UTC

My mistake. I didn't realise that we were talking exclusively 1290's. If it makes a difference just say it's a Superduke.

ebags

2014-01-29 10:23:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2014-01-29 10:45:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-01-29 14:44:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2014-01-31 16:15:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-01-31 17:12:00 UTC

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2014-01-31 21:44:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-02-01 07:51:00 UTC

Almost forgot!!

I think I also get the prize for the first warranty replacement.

My dealer noticed this before it left their shop, took some pictures amd have a new one on the way (although im sure ill be waiting a while.. ah well).

Go check your Dukes boys! Front of seat, little tears.

ebags

2014-02-01 08:58:00 UTC

Umm looks like a sharp edge under there... Hope it's not part of the moulding.

Good luck.

ktm08

2014-02-01 09:22:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2014-02-01 11:56:00 UTC

Interesting:
http://blog.ktm.com/hsr-hot-socks-for-racing/

ebags

2014-02-01 12:09:00 UTC

Nice article, is that Tead's old man?

“I think, in general, the standard bike is off the roof. It can be improved with the race chassis, that means changed suspension struts or fork, that KTM is offering for EUR 3,200. The question is, if I could really take advantage of these adaptations. Even the really fast riders wait and see how they get along and if you really need the upgrade. Another possibility is to have the standard parts reworked, that would maybe amount to EUR 600 or EUR 800.”

Sensible bloke too.

sexparty

2014-02-01 22:04:00 UTC

Went for a wee run without the end can on the exhaust today. Sounds good at idle and when revving it, but a bit too droney when riding.

I'd imagine this will be similar.

scamb66

2014-02-02 00:46:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2014-02-02 06:01:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2014-02-02 10:21:00 UTC

sat on a customers that came in the other day and my mind was made up! my order is in and my bike is coming march 3rd.

cant wait to get it to phillip island and rip around on it. still cant believe how light and balanced the bike felt. was really expecting it to feel a lot bigger and heavier from the stance and presence it has.

scamb66

2014-02-02 14:21:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-02-03 03:12:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-02-03 10:55:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2014-02-03 11:17:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-02-03 11:22:00 UTC

I was told $25k ride-away.

ebags

2014-02-03 11:30:00 UTC

I paid $24890 ride away with free 1k service. Already done a full oil service kit at 200km now just waiting for 1k.

Stratkat

2014-02-03 12:06:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2014-02-03 14:27:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2014-02-03 17:23:00 UTC

As the weather is dry I rang KTM Centre today looking to take The Beast out tomorrow, All good but she's still not run in yet and they are getting an Akra for it next week so think I'm going to wait until then.

ebags

2014-02-03 20:43:00 UTC

Didn't they fit the press bikes with KR series slicks?
They are slightly different sizes than the Dunlop road tyres I think.

scamb66

2014-02-03 22:48:00 UTC

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2014-02-04 06:30:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2014-02-04 07:26:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2014-02-04 10:15:00 UTC

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shadowman

2014-02-04 12:09:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-02-04 13:30:00 UTC

An engine is an engine....aluminium is aluminu and steel is steel. Using dead dinos in lieu of man made will have no adverse affect on your engine...will have the opposite affect actually.

sexparty

2014-02-04 13:33:00 UTC

This topic is like poking a religious nut with a scolding brand of an opposing belief. All I can tell you is I have run all my bikes in using non synthetic oil and have never had a problem with oil consumption.

Your dealer may be anal about switching out the oil and not starting the bike at all during pre-delivery. It's a good sign when they are flexible here as they are already working for you before they have even given you the keys and not for the manufacturer.

jmann

2014-02-04 13:52:00 UTC

Okey dokey, lets mix this up.

When I bought my Husaberg new, the clear instructions from the dealer was to run in the engine on mineral, only once run in do you swop the oil for synthetic. The idea being the synthetic is too good to enable the engine to fully bed in, I seem to recall he mentioned something about the bores would not bed in, they would be too smooth with synthetic and the bike would end up using more oil once the engine had bedded in.

I followed the instructions, the Husaberg was good.

I am not saying I would do that on a Superduke.

ktmguy

2014-02-05 01:03:00 UTC

There is another factor to take in to consideration in the mineral/synthetic oil run in debate. Namely carbon... yes carbon. It is not the grinding of metal on metal that beds the rings in!
An engine need an amount of carbon in the oil to act like a honing media. So even changing the oil too early after the first change will prolonge running in period.
Theoretically the type of oil you use doesn't matter as the oil keeps metal moving bits appart, yes synthetic does a better job, so true faster bed in on mineral oil. Then again with the good quality of mineral oil you probably put in, that might make not much of a difference. Unless you want to trow in rubbish oil which will ruin other bits like your gearbox or so.
The carbon in the oil is a product from the burnt petrol hence LPG engines are almost impossible to bed in on LPG alone. On dual fuel the recommendation is to do at least 2500km on petrol or it will never bed in. I have seen dedicated LPG engines with 75000 km and the bores/rings are not seated.
Also why the fuss about nikasil suddenly, it has been arround for decades. The normal engineering point of view is if you use hard cyl bore material you make the rings softer or the other way round, like chrome rings in normal cast bores.
Honestly don't know what you guys worry about, is this a more special engine than other bikes?
Go out and ride it if you have a new one. If it is anything like a 990 the oil consumption will stop after a good trash.
If I get one I stick to good synthetic oil to safeguard the rest of the engine, the bore/rings will bed in eventually.
Tip from a guy who designed engines (not me). After a ride during the running in period stop the engine and after that push the starter button without restarting it. Why you asked?
Engines stop always at the same point, to avoid marking the bores at that point, push the starter button to make it random.
As mentioned got this from a German engine designer, he was on to something as the cars he owned alway lasted for ever and didn't burn oil.

ebags

2014-02-05 03:44:00 UTC

Lost my license for 6 months

Stratkat

2014-02-05 03:47:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-02-05 03:53:00 UTC

ok fellas, answer this for me then.
if mineral oil is what some of you are recommending for seating rings etc, why - oh why, would KTM not recommend doing this?
why would they fill the 1290 from the factory with synthetic????

we bought a new Scion TC and it had synthetic right off the floor, the first oil change, and subsequent changes thereafter, specified in the manual is 10,000 miles.
why?

ktmguy

2014-02-05 04:11:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2014-02-05 04:33:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2014-02-05 05:26:00 UTC

If ktmguy doesn't support it, I don't support it.

ktmguy

2014-02-05 06:07:00 UTC

Obviously you all know more than the thousands of high performance engine builders throughout the country...and the world for that matter.

Or, Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, BMW?, Ducati?, etc, etc, etc.

BassAgent

2014-02-05 06:13:00 UTC

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2014-02-05 06:18:00 UTC

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2014-02-05 06:20:00 UTC

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2014-02-05 10:32:00 UTC

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SDNerd

2014-02-05 11:10:00 UTC

Lots of old wives tales in here I think.

Mine's beenonun in hard on whatever oil is in it, and It's not needed a top up yet, with a thousand miles on the clock.

The best way to run an engine in is the way you're happy doing it. Arguing on the internet about it just wastes electrons!

scamb66

2014-02-05 11:20:00 UTC

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2014-02-05 13:39:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-02-05 22:16:00 UTC

Seems there's at least one in the USA already

cdlabate

2014-02-06 01:17:00 UTC

LOL - Greg ... He was at STAR as an instructor this last December (@CVR) - we tortured him with stupid-ass questions whenever he threw up a video for analysis. Dude loved to hear himself talk.

I digress ... There are certainly more than one SD 1290 in the US already ... Just none yet in stealer's hands; looks like that one was straight out of KTM's N.A. HQ in Murrieta, CA. Those are roads in the vicinity of KTM, mostly a bit further south, around Temecula, etc. Tract housing hell along that 15 corridor.

scamb66

2014-02-06 05:34:00 UTC

Arrived home after 8 days away to find a little puddle of oil underneath the bike, not quite sure where it coming from at the moment. On start up had the service screen flashing at me so off to the dealers for a reset.

Luxamor

2014-02-06 23:16:00 UTC

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2014-02-06 23:51:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-02-07 02:40:00 UTC

Just back from a 100km ride this morning couple of small things of note. The ride by wire is actually harder on my wrist than the old SD with throttle bodies is and at 180km/h I can still sit nice and upright. The gauge acts as a pretty good screen and deflects the wind nicely. THe engine is so lazy that anyone not contemplating going over 200kmh here is plenty of scope to go up a tooth or two at the back. There doesn't appear to be much use for 6th gear at legal(ish) hwy speeds.

jmann

2014-02-07 03:01:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-02-07 04:40:00 UTC

I've just done an initial 150 Kms.

First thing is: If you've ridden an older SD then this is just another SD with more balls. You get on and the seat is a little lower and a bit more embracing but you feel right at home. It has no learning curve for previous SD owners.

I rode mine in Sports mode and while things are still a little tight you can feel it's going to have a shit load of power when it's run-in and not limited to 6kRPM. As stated by everyone else it's got bags of Torque but thats normal for a SD (we are after all not all newly converted IL4 evangelists

Overall, a very pleasant bike to ride. Good ergonomics, plenty of grunt and a new can and re-map will eventually fix the persona problem.

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2014-02-07 04:41:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2014-02-07 08:48:00 UTC

I've found that 6th is quite happy at 2500-3000rpm just cruising along at 70mph, or 5000rpm at 100mph. Handy if you go on long runs I suppose, and there's such a big difference from 5th I think it's always going to feel like you bog the engine even with different sprockets

TLS_Russ

2014-02-07 17:21:00 UTC

Picked mine up today, couple of things, hate the side stand it is all too close, nearly knocked it in gear trying to put the stand down and for some reason the high beam switch is too easy to select and I keep turning the high beam on. Probably when braking, WTF is that front brake all about, nearly threw me over the bars when I was a bit hard on it.

Already have small number plate holder, not that impressed, had to drill both holes out where indicators fit as they were too small and it is made for those big arse European number plates, so had to take the hacksaw to it and cut it down for Oz plates and this is straight from KTM.

Rest of my parts, seats, frame crash pads and carbon goodies are not going to be here for a couple of months, what's the go with that, we are in Oz not on the moon

What's the pressure setting and damping on that dash, mine has the setting but doesn't appear to display anything, oh and anyone know how to turn clock onto 12hr, can't stand 24hr

Other than that bike is awesome, brutal midrange, but that was too be expected

Oh and anyone seen any quality tank protectors for one yet, doesn't look like KTM are going to release one

ebags

2014-02-07 17:43:00 UTC

www.drysdalemotorcycles.co.uk/.../ktm-t ... on-sticker
they do make them for the 1290...

sexparty

2014-02-07 17:47:00 UTC

[url][/url]www.drysdalemotorcycles.co.uk/.../ktm-tank-protection-sticker

MrZ32

2014-02-07 17:51:00 UTC

www.drysdalemotorcycles.co.uk/.../ktm-t ... on-sticker

kevxtx

2014-02-07 20:24:00 UTC

Colonel_Klinck

2014-02-07 21:04:00 UTC

well I wanted to show everyone my painted wheels but apparently im not allowed to set up my own album... don't know why?

kevxtx

2014-02-07 21:18:00 UTC

https://www.dropbox.com/sc/gyvslr25v1tu0nq/WBTj6kFdlx ok try this hope it works and if you do get to see sorry that the pictures ant so great.

jmann

2014-02-07 21:20:00 UTC

You need a minimum 500 posts, OR, 50 000 winks.

Ask Russ for some of his winks, although be warned, he'll bum you.

MrK

2014-02-08 12:01:00 UTC

I decided to wait a year or so. I like new Duke, but want to hear some feedback from users first. There wiull be some glitches, very minor hopefully, what may be sorted by KTM later on. I know I will buy one, but I still enjoy so much my SDR, so I can wait a bit

kevxtx

2014-02-08 12:10:00 UTC

Not sure it anyone has posted the Parts manuals for the 1290, if someone has let me know & I will delete this post.

http://www.4shared.com/download/OADxhEk ... 0SDBLK.pdf

http://www.4shared.com/download/MfU1-bY ... 0SDORG.pdf

Colonel_Klinck

2014-02-08 12:26:00 UTC

I've just added those to the Must Read thread Kev.

kevxtx

2014-02-08 12:44:00 UTC

No worries.

MrZ32

2014-02-08 13:08:00 UTC

Thanks for the input guys. .. been very caught up lately in racing in the dh and gravity enduro series but as I'm out for a while due to injuries and thought it was about to catch up on this as is still in the back of my mind

But damn it looks great and another friends of mine tried one. .. weird thing is she felt her pannigale had more torque

scamb66

2014-02-08 14:43:00 UTC

Got a surprise call from I90 Motorsports in Issaquah, Washington which is close to Seattle. Dealer told me they are getting two bikes in mid February! Much sooner than I was expecting. I called and put down a deposit many months ago. At that time I was 2nd on the list and judging by how the dealer was talking to me I am now first. I am getting the orange one. Will update once I get the bike! Price before taxes, etc is 16,999.

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2014-02-08 15:00:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2014-02-08 15:13:00 UTC

Ok whilst I am bagging out the 1290.................
In some guys minds this will obviously be a win buuuut..............over the last two days I have had the MTC and ABS fail bout 5 times , cant miss it as the screen will constantly flash to remind you/

So
Fail 1...service reset itself and called for a service due (which the dealer screwed up and reset it for an additional 1000 km on top of the 400 km already completed).
Fail 2...mysterious oil puddle underneath. (maybe that is keeping with SD tradition to allow a mild oil leak on the lower left hand side).
Fail 3...continuous MTC/ABS fail
all that and the fact my mate set the language to Deutsch..mein gott!!!

Lowrance

2014-02-08 16:31:00 UTC

I get where you're coming from but won't a better comparison come when she's run in and has a can on it? Part of the joy about the 990 is the noise. It all adds to the overall feeling of what the bike is. With the standard cans on its just not the same bike at all.

All those gremlins must be bloody annoying though Guess this is what can happen with a brand new model though.

SDNerd

2014-02-08 17:18:00 UTC

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2014-02-08 20:09:00 UTC

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Luxamor

2014-02-08 20:22:00 UTC

The fact that you openly believe that character only means failures speaks volumes about yourself. Good thing your opinion is just that.

scamb66

2014-02-08 22:58:00 UTC

I see truth in what both SDNerd and BassAgent express. These are engineers and companies making a device. Remarkable devices at that.
Human beings have faults too, whether genetic or making poor judgement, but I don't give up on them either. There are too many variables involved in this type of luxury investment and it is still my decision whether I roll with enthusiasm and dedication or someone just looking to cash my check. When it comes to BMW and Hondas, for example, I have plenty of experience. Humans...lots of input there too.
Now I make a personal choice to jump in and trust in a work ethic and history or learn to be patient with failings after I have made my choice.
This is true in love, politics, consumerism and chance in general. Life is an adventure and I'm still researching this brief interlude. I'll be cool with it either way. There are too many other important things to be more concerned about than which motorcycle gives me the right level of therapy to help cope with the rest of my life.
Yes...this purchase won't be about utility or practicality for me... this will be about escape and fun (and as little regret as possible).

DribbleDuke

2014-02-08 23:46:00 UTC

In the last 10 years of riding I progressed from a CBR 250 RR to a 2005 Yamaha R1 to a Ducati 1098s and now the 1290r. I decided last night after a spirited ride that the 1290r is everything I've been looking for in a road bike. It's powerful, feels light and flickable and getting off after a long ride doesn't feel like you've been wrestling a bull. To me this bike is the holy grail of street riding - the perfect balance of power delivery, comfort and style.

I feel like I could never go back to a typical sportsbike after the 1290r, it's just too much fun and so precise and smooth. I'm going to look after this bike for a long time, I can't imagine wanting anything better and I can't ask for more from this bike. For me, it's perfect.

Anyway falling in love with it more and more each ride, I highly recommend this bike to anyone looking a street weapon.

Cheers,
Jeremy

jmann

2014-02-08 23:51:00 UTC

Can anyone point me in the direction of websites offering aftermarket parts for the 1290r? I'm struggling to find anything online. Need a fender eliminator first and foremost..

Cheers,
Jeremy

scamb66

2014-02-09 00:45:00 UTC

Just got a call from my dealer stating bike will arrive in mid march and price is 16,999.00. I am first on the list, but having second thoughts. I have always said never by first year of a new bike, but the 1290 is the first bike that has made me to break that rule. However, some of the issues new owners are posting are making me nervous and rethinking that sticky to my golden rule might be wide. Although minor issues, but honestly should not be occurring.

Decisions, decisions, decisions!

2014_SDR

2014-02-09 01:30:00 UTC

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SDNerd

2014-02-09 02:52:00 UTC

Not that this means a whole lot when it comes to street riding but today I was watching the 1000PS YouTube acceleration tests between the S1000R and the Super Duke 1290. The S1000R was faster to 100KPH at just under 3.5 seconds vs. the Super Duke's 4.0 seconds but the Super Duke was faster to 200KPH at 8.0 seconds vs. the S1000R at approx. 8.4+. I guess the KTM is a little harder to launch than the BMW but the higher horsepower KTM reels in the BMW fairly quickly after that. The KTM also posted slightly faster acceleration times with the traction control on.

Luxamor

2014-02-09 18:51:00 UTC

I'm not sure if this has been posted before, but I just noticed the PowerParts are up for the USA SDR on KTM's site.
Find it here:
http://shop.ktm.com/com_en/powerparts.h ... R%C2%A0USA

scamb66

2014-02-10 01:50:00 UTC

Anyone found a way to view tyre pressure on the information screen? Or does it just alert you when it's low?

ktmguy

2014-02-10 07:32:00 UTC

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sexparty

2014-02-10 09:41:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-02-10 10:35:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-02-10 10:48:00 UTC

It is really only a remnant insofar as the settings screen has an entry for Tyre Pressure Bar or PSI.

More of an issue when you can't change out of Sports mode or indicator switch only selects intermittently so that you always have to check that its on and if it isn't then fanny around (eyes off the road) trying to get it to switch on. It's great going into a corner or a roundabout trying to let other people know what you are going to do. VERY DANGEROUS...

sexparty

2014-02-10 11:12:00 UTC

plus you are making me very nervous as i have put a deposit down and have to wait until august lol

jmann

2014-02-10 11:58:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-02-10 12:46:00 UTC

yup could have got orange in 2 months or yeah black in august

sexparty

2014-02-10 12:50:00 UTC

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sexparty

2014-02-10 12:53:00 UTC

black ? put a sizable deposit down

scamb66

2014-02-10 14:46:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-02-10 19:20:00 UTC

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2014-02-10 19:57:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-02-10 22:02:00 UTC

Well of course there is no flasher unit - it's all CanBus however I'm not going mad and have been able to replicate the problem:
I think I know the cause but will test later as I should probably turn up at work.
I must make the observation that the message is really useful

ebags

2014-02-10 22:34:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2014-02-10 22:36:00 UTC

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Grendel

2014-02-11 03:34:00 UTC

Motorcycle-USA REVIEW.

scamb66

2014-02-11 03:47:00 UTC

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2014-02-11 04:09:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-02-11 04:20:00 UTC

Ok to add a little balance. The positives are that this bike is going to be a giant killer in the longer term. Even while taking it easy for the run-in it just falls into corners and literally blasts out the other side. Once run-in it'll be making the IL4's looking like they are on Zimmer Frames. It's got so much grunt that even choosing the wrong gear for the reduced revs proves no problem - it just blasts out the other side. If you want to slow down those brakes just slow down without any sign of fade.
It looks the money. Even the female literary pretenders at the coffee shops get a hungry look in their eyes when you ride by (I kid you not).
It WILL be a giant killer its just not there yet. KTM spent all of their time focussing on the image rather than the reality so just like the other Dukes it'll be up to the True Believers to make it happen.

PS pass that CanBus manual will you

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2014-02-11 04:33:00 UTC

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2014-02-11 06:58:00 UTC

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2014-02-11 09:31:00 UTC

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Crotchrockety

2014-02-11 11:02:00 UTC

Glad it's not just me with the high beam switch!!!

Leaking oil around the sump plug too, apparently they forgot the washer on some of the 1190adventures, and I suspect the same here.

Can forgive all for the rest of the bike, it's like the best of my RC8 and 990sd all rolled into one fooking glorious package. The real only problem I see is when will the others get ridden now??

I have a full system on order due in march/April at $4400 (ouch) but the RC8 exhaust cost $5800 (more ouchy) , can't wait to see what that magnificent top end is like then !!

P.S even the Dunlops fitted standard seem ok, ha

jmann

2014-02-11 11:08:00 UTC

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2014-02-11 11:23:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-02-11 16:11:00 UTC

Hello all! i've had two 640's, two 950's, a 990 smr that just sold and now my SD will be here in a month or so they tell me (british columbia). as i have a partially paralyzed left hand from my pro motocross days i love a rekluse clutch. will the one from my 990smr go into the 1290? thanks and what great info in this forum! here's a few photo's of what i get up to in the mtn's of beautiful BC.

ebags

2014-02-11 21:23:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-02-11 21:34:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-02-11 21:54:00 UTC

Actually, Just need to point out that the minor irritations are all part of the fun for me. A chance to fiddle and fix. So long as they are only minor irritations and don't turn into major issues. Hey I've still got legs which is better than the poor bloke down the road that came off his R1 last year ...

jmann

2014-02-11 22:04:00 UTC

First quiter, read reason for selling.
Up your way Jmann, pay him a visit.

ktmguy

2014-02-11 22:16:00 UTC

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2014-02-12 07:16:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2014-02-12 07:18:00 UTC

Talking about the clutch, what is the slip like on the 1290? Can you stomp it down a couple of gears and not have to worry about the rear getting out of shape?

jmann

2014-02-12 07:50:00 UTC

Yup. That's what I meant about it being brilliant.

Colonel_Klinck

2014-02-12 09:05:00 UTC

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2014-02-12 09:30:00 UTC

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2014-02-12 16:18:00 UTC

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2014-02-12 18:54:00 UTC

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2014-02-12 19:32:00 UTC

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2014-02-12 21:19:00 UTC

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2014-02-12 21:35:00 UTC

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2014-02-12 21:43:00 UTC

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OZsuperduker

2014-02-12 22:33:00 UTC

Hi all

I am new to the world of KTM ownership and wanted to get some thoughts from you biased bunch.
I am hoping some responses will carry some maturity and experience with them also (might be too much to ask from a public forum)

I am an aussie like many here based out of Melbourne.
Been riding a bike for the past 6 years
Started on a little VTR250 before LAMS came in and currently riding a VMAX juggernaut.
Love my Vmax despite what many think of the bike here, I read some opinions which are completely unfounded and based on vapourware.
But I don't expect any more from a public forum. Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one. I digress

The reason I am here is to pick the brains of you lot about the SD.
In short I want one. I love the look and its at the top of my list for my next bike
Now bare in mind I am not one of those guys who wants to own multiple bikes. Been there done that and for some reason my ass can't be on two bikes at the same time no matter how hard I try.
So I choose not to pay double of everything (rego, insurance, etc …) So I need a bike that will do it all when I have time to ride

My VMAX puts out 203SAE HP & 182nm of torque at the rear wheel
Its heavily modified from stock and is an absolute monster. Spent 5 wonderful years with her and she's never put me down or left me by the side of the road
having said that all good things have to come to an end and the sun has set on my time with the VMAX

The VMAX wasn't without flaws:

- Crap range (15L tank) good for 165kms - had to carry a bladder or an auxiliary tank
- simply could not cope in the real tight stuff (was never made to)
- she is a lot of bike to pull up when you are going 280kms down a straight even with the upgraded brembos I had on there

What I am looking to fix going to a SD

- not have to worry about fuel stops any more. This was the pain of VMAX's existence. Will I get at least 250kms of of the bike on longer trips?
- I wanted an upright bike. I don't want to be slouched over hour after hour. I am not buying a bike for a track
- after a vmax I want something light, nimble. I don't want to have another BMW GS or touring bikes that weight in at around 250kgs
- I want a bike that has a presence. That's a tick right there I think
- a bike that will not make me left disappointed after coming from a VMAX. When I go on a ride I want to be excited, to let down as my time is limited. I am hoping that 100kg less weight will make an equal power field
- I am big on torque and the IL4's just don't do it. I am hoping from everything read that the SD ticks that box
- I Don't want my hands vibrating off from this V-twin. This is probably going to be the biggest pet peeve of mine coming from a smooth like butter V4. For those of you that have the 1290 already can you please give me your honest opinion?
- because I only own one bike that has to do it all will I be able to stretch the SD to do: Touring days 600kms, city riding, occasional track day,
- what is the KTM service like in this country? Are parts readily available? I have a friend with a 1190 adv R and he had all sort of problems with his bike on quality control. I hope the SD is better

I am sorry if this is a long post, but Its better having it all in a single post than over 50 posts asking million questions is my thinking

By the way I have one on order and it will be here early march. So I am getting cold feet. I'd rather lose the deposit than be stuck with a bike I will not enjoy
So your feedback is very much appreciated on the matter

Cheers beers
Kris

PS: Picture of my vmax

scamb66

2014-02-12 23:15:00 UTC

Hi Kris
Hope this answers a few of your questions, as we are all individuals nad have different tastes I am not going to tell you to buy a 1290, that is entirely up to you so I have tried to be subjective in my answers and just give you the facts.
BTW helps to put your location in your profile, just so we know if we need to type faster or slower so you can keep up. Parts are easy to come by service depends on the dealer (same as any bike) . Quality over all is good beside the occasionial niggles, read through this (long) thread and you should get an idea.
I am sorry if this is a long post, but Its better having it all in a single post than over 50 posts asking million questions is my thinking

By the way I have one on order and it will be here early march. So I am getting cold feet. I'd rather lose the deposit than be stuck with a bike I will not enjoy
So your feedback is very much appreciated on the matter

jmann

2014-02-13 00:06:00 UTC

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2014-02-13 00:51:00 UTC

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2014-02-13 01:33:00 UTC

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2014-02-13 01:44:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-02-13 03:04:00 UTC

I can be a bit on the cautious side from time to time (eg switchgear and dash issues) but that vibration excuse is bullsh|t!!!
I haven't tested one yet but I did rode the 1190 ADV and the engine is MUCH smoother than the 990! No vibrations at all for a V-twin.
That chap is full of cr...!

OZsuperduker

2014-02-13 03:17:00 UTC

He is coming from an inline four and those things are like turbines. V-twin sport bikes are for real men

scamb66

2014-02-13 11:56:00 UTC

Stick a camera on the bike and watch how often the traction control light flickers - it's more than you realise! Well, maybe not for you people currently enjoying summer, but on cold shitty roads over here it's definitely needed.

I'm looking forward to dry warm roads to try the bike with everything switched off. I expect it'll like to go sideways...

Lowrance

2014-02-13 12:05:00 UTC

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2014-02-13 14:30:00 UTC

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2014-02-13 17:24:00 UTC

ebags

2014-02-13 19:45:00 UTC

Ha ha...... Dongle......

Lowrance

2014-02-13 21:34:00 UTC

To clear up the dongle debate.

The bike remembers the mode setting without any dongle.

The dongle remembers the ABS and TC settings.

Lowrance

2014-02-13 21:43:00 UTC

So maybe I misunderstand how the electronics work. I thought the traction control level was a direct result of your mode setting.

Rain - intrusive
Street - Less intrusive
Sport - Even less TC intervention
TC Off - No intervention

The reports coming out of Spain stated that when TC was turned off, if the engine was shut off and restarted the mode resorted back to Street (including ABS being turned back on if it was off). Is this not the case?

The reports also stated that when the dongle is used, if TC is off and you resart the moter the TC stays off, or Sport if in Sport, ABS in SM mode will remain on etc.

Ducati Pete

2014-02-13 22:12:00 UTC

Not quite.

The bike's mode is Rain/Street/Sport, which affects TC intervention level and fly-by-wire throttle slope.

It's also possible to turn TC on and off, in any of the three modes. It's just occurred to me that I should test whether, for example, Rain mode and TC off still keeps the rain mode throttle slope or if it goes to sport.

Then the ABS is independently selectable between on, supermoto (front wheel only) and off.

Video I made, not quite to the point of this discussion but might give you more of an idea.

ebags

2014-02-13 23:10:00 UTC

Got it. I stand corrected.

aracheon

2014-02-13 23:21:00 UTC

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aracheon

2014-02-13 23:44:00 UTC

Can't be very comfy using the computer standing? I prefer to sit corrected.

2014_SDR

2014-02-14 16:22:00 UTC

Yep, sport mode, mtc switched off, abs on motard (that can be annoying as abs light flashes all the time). the traction control being off is bad enough as that light is on all the time, I can live with that, the flashing is starting to bug me though

CEREC1

2014-02-14 21:23:00 UTC

With the traction control set to ON, which light flickers when the TC is activated?

I've not yet hooked up the GoPro to see that.

aracheon

2014-02-14 23:25:00 UTC

The right hand one I think, in this vid a few times. Which is the TC light.

CEREC1

2014-02-15 22:08:00 UTC

I was so sure I would be buying this 1290 as soon as it was available. It's just too expensive considering the spec and what you would want to spend to make it special.
Roll on 2015. Cheaper price from KTM and I'm likely to reconsider.

jmann

2014-02-16 08:20:00 UTC

Waited for the rain to stop then got out for a 250Km ride in the sun (still only 500Kms) on the clock.

Starting to love this bike. It really is just a more gutsy version of the bike we've all come to love (and hate). I'm sure the same will apply to the 1290R.

Didn't exceed the country speed limit

Got home and took one of the 990SD's out for a little ride as an AB comparison. Result: the 990SD is still a great bike and feels wonderful but it hasn't got quite the same punch as a 1290R. Also nearly tripped over a traffic light line as the front brake seemed to have much less stopping power than the 1290R. Horses for courses. Both great bikes.

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2014-02-16 11:15:00 UTC

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2014-02-16 12:22:00 UTC

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kirves

2014-02-16 18:01:00 UTC

Certainly not disrespecting anybodies riding skills but when i used to race once i learnt to relax on the bike and not be so tense its amazing how much better the bike handled,its amazing how much the bike will sort out itself if your not fighting it.

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2014-02-16 18:12:00 UTC

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2014-02-17 01:45:00 UTC

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OZsuperduker

2014-02-17 02:06:00 UTC

There is a black 1290 for sale sitting in Pro Motorcycles, Kunda Park, Sunshine Coast, Queensland if anyone is looking for one.
They have a black demo bike as well if you want to take it for a spin first.

ebags

2014-02-17 04:54:00 UTC

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Megatron09

2014-02-17 18:14:00 UTC

My VMAX puts out 203SAE HP & 182nm of torque at the rear wheel
Its heavily modified from stock and is an absolute monster. Spent 5 wonderful years with her and she's never put me down or left me by the side of the road
having said that all good things have to come to an end and the sun has set on my time with the VMAX

PS: Picture of my vmax

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Really nice looking bike there. What have you done to get so much hp and torgue out of it?

Luxamor

2014-02-17 18:27:00 UTC

Finally picked mine up as i was out on shift for 3 weeks, Now........3klms on the clock, better run it in eh

ktmguy

2014-02-18 01:27:00 UTC

Hi guys, I feel very comfortable on my 1290r but after coming from sportsbikes I'd like to learn more about the difference in body positioning through a corner etc on this style of bike.

Any tips or articles to share?

OZsuperduker

2014-02-18 01:48:00 UTC

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2014-02-18 01:58:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-02-22 00:46:00 UTC

Had a computer hooked up to the bike to try and reset the ABS/MTC fail. Lasted 2 km before it came up again.
Still havent found the source of the oil leak. Not massive but still annoying.

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2014-02-22 01:23:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2014-02-22 04:08:00 UTC

Got the chance to see and sit on the 1290 at the Toronto Motorcycle Show.

While I'm still not super-impressed with the dash placement, everything else is beautiful! Colour me impressed and as far as I'm concerned, it was the star of the show. If I stand true to form, I'll have one in 3 years.

jmann

2014-02-22 07:06:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2014-02-22 15:29:00 UTC

Hello.
This is not my.....I want share becouse it loooks sooo tasty

scamb66

2014-02-22 20:12:00 UTC

Scamb66 - Just a thought: There's a connector for the traction control sensor that is cable-tied to the frame on the right-hand side up near the can for the swingarm shock. Is it possible that you've grabbed the frame and dislodged it slightly (or damaged the cable) while fitting the GP3 can? It's straight above the catalytic converter up near the rear shocker can.

Good luck.

scamb66

2014-02-22 21:36:00 UTC

Definitely need the orange/white wheels to go with the orange/white bike. makes a huge positive difference aesthetically

BassAgent

2014-02-23 03:34:00 UTC

Have now seen both the orange and black in the flesh the black is definately the way to go imo

Stratkat

2014-02-23 05:10:00 UTC

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2014-02-23 08:23:00 UTC

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2014-02-23 09:38:00 UTC

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aracheon

2014-02-23 12:53:00 UTC

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sexparty

2014-02-23 21:20:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-02-23 21:48:00 UTC

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sexparty

2014-02-23 22:19:00 UTC

G'day boys.......Just wanted to inform anybody out there who has oil leaking.
My first ride and I saw the sump was full of oil, seemed to me leaking from the drain plug.
Took it back to the dealer who drained the oil and changed the Oring, rode the bike home and it was leaking more than ever.
Went to a different dealer who found that the stator gasket was allowing oil to seep, they changed the gasket and the bike is dry.
Very disappointing that the quality control in Austria is lacking, seems that there are a few bike out there with leaking oil problems.
Other than that, this bike is a blast.

ebags

2014-02-23 23:29:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-02-25 13:56:00 UTC

Here is some nother youtube video if Beast
2014 KTM 1290 Super Duke R Review - MotoUSA

soarsore

2014-02-27 20:22:00 UTC

Hopefully picking mine up this weekend !

Colonel_Klinck

2014-02-28 11:22:00 UTC

Lets but some pic in here also...
Here is some Bike-magazine in sweden, they do some mod at Beast

And here is some cafe racers

cheeheese

2014-02-28 11:36:00 UTC

i theorise that this exhaust would fit or a variant ??

BassAgent

2014-02-28 16:08:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2014-02-28 16:52:00 UTC

Grab from Birth of the 1290 on youtube

ebags

2014-02-28 16:58:00 UTC

Looks like the lucky winners have been chosen, anyone here? I guess I never had a chance since I am not 30-35 and I live in the U.S. Congrats to these lucky guys!
More on the story at the special #8 tab http://www.1290superduker.com/cms/

ebags

2014-02-28 17:04:00 UTC

Baron Von Grumble is a very clever choice. His YouTube Chanel is very funny and gets a lot of viewers. I'll invite him to join the forum.

ebags

2014-02-28 17:21:00 UTC

Baron has his elbow down as good as a 21 year old spanish kid and they give him the touring set up.

Challenge accepted.

Lowrance

2014-02-28 18:29:00 UTC

I do enjoy his youtube vlogs. Good marketing right there

scamb66

2014-02-28 18:46:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-03-01 01:13:00 UTC

Just got off the phone with Mary at GCC. They are making every effort to get a mould made up for the 1290. If you're after a high quality carbon fiber tank pad look no further! I had one on my R1 and the quality is top notch.

Check out the current offering for the RC8R with a similar tank.

sexparty

2014-03-01 01:31:00 UTC

interesting doesn't say anything about remembering TC settings? Anyone have one yet?

scamb66

2014-03-01 01:41:00 UTC

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2014-03-05 07:37:00 UTC

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fatbob

2014-03-05 15:30:00 UTC

has anyone left their ignition on for 5 minutes without the engine running yet?
I did on my 1190 and the traction control and all the other shite killed it dead , I couldnt fooking start it , it wouldnt bump with 2 fat blokes and a big hill either , ended up jumping it off a car when all else failed....
be warned do not leave it on

Megatron09

2014-03-05 18:22:00 UTC

Hi guys, BC, Canada checking In (long time lurker, first time posting)... Can anyone chime in on weather or not the North American models have led turn indicators? The bikes I saw at the Vancouver bike show had conventional bulbs, and several American reviews I've seen have pictures of the bike wearing the same ugly gear. Legality reasons?
...deposit down on a black 1290, can't wait for spring.

Megatron09

2014-03-05 18:24:00 UTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu2fMkoj ... detailpage

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2014-03-06 01:20:00 UTC

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2014-03-06 02:28:00 UTC

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2014-03-06 05:51:00 UTC

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SDSmurf

2014-03-06 18:46:00 UTC

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Katoom1290

2014-03-07 21:37:00 UTC

aprillia's tuano v4r is about as much a naked as i am a teapot

scamb66

2014-03-07 22:31:00 UTC

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2014-03-07 23:27:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2014-03-08 05:56:00 UTC

Well today I finally thought I would have a look at a 1290 SD.
I went to the moto shop with my son and we were really undecided on what we thought of it to me it looks more like something from transformers and my son who is 30 just didn't like it. When we got home my son said the old model looks better. They did offer me a ride but I just couldn't be bothered also It looks like something the Chinese would built if that makes sense. I did like the Guzzi v7 stone they had on the floor though:D

jmann

2014-03-09 00:44:00 UTC

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2014-03-09 01:03:00 UTC

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2014-03-09 03:46:00 UTC

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2014-03-09 05:48:00 UTC

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Katoom1290

2014-03-09 05:55:00 UTC

I heard that the oil leaks are due to the 1290s being built in the old Triumph factory

kevxtx

2014-03-09 08:11:00 UTC

Hey Kev,

Ye have had this one on order since the prototype came out. They were released in SA on the Wednesday and by the Saturday mine was on it's way to me. Even got the bike 4 days before the local dealer got his stock in.

Fortunately so far no issues with it (frantically crossing fingers here so as not to jinx), local dealer got his demo bike on Thursday, immediately took it to an engineering shop and gutted the pipe and dropped in a link piece to remove the cat. Dang, now that thing sounds incredible......Looks stock but rips your heart out when they pop the throttle. He is going to dyno it this week to check what effect it had on the fueling and will let me know. I have an Akra on order but just the slip on, not the whole system so might need to consider this mod as well.......

Battling to get km's on mine at the moment, between having builders working in the house and having to baby sit them, howling gales and pouring rain.....and yes it is supposed to be summer.......just not able to get on the road with it. Have a week left to clock 700 Km to get the first service done and then off on a road trip with a mate to a bike rally.

Bike feels so light and small compared to the SMT, just drops into a turn without a worry, was a bit disconcerting at first not having that bulk of the SMT in front when looking through into the turn but have gotten used to that now. Kind of felt like I was riding a bicycle.......a damn fast bicycle but thats the light and small feeling I had. Wind gets hairy at about 150, from there you gotta hang on. Only taken her up to 170 so far as that's on the 6,500 limit and that was stretching my arms a bit.

The TC changing is done really easy, takes a few seconds to do and is not a complicated process at all. Really not something worth stressing about, try it a few times and reckon you would be able to do it on the fly. I haven't tried changing it on the fly yet but will one day. Switch gear seems fine to me, I did take some getting used to the indicator switch, very short throw and the off is not as positive as the SMT was but once you used to it you develop a feel for it and can then feel it engage and disengage and it seriously is not a concern to me now at all. I do knock it onto high beam every time I turn right, but that's fine as I ride on high beam in the day anyway and very rarely ride at night so that is seen as a safety feature in my book.

Side stand takes some getting used to, after a few times I just figured out the trick to it and now have no problems getting it the first time and with no issues. All in all, one amazing bike which I bought sight unseen and untested and I am loving every second I spend on it, far better than the SMT. One gripe I do have and maybe we all just being daft but I have the black one and the 1290 sticker on the tail piece is also black......how does that work????? The sticker guy in the factory colour blind or what????? You cannot see the 1290 on the tail piece, have to run your hand over it and read it like braile.......maybe they just trying to be kind to the blind bikers as well???

SDSmurf, if the guy slipped the clutch and wobbled away then he had probably just stepped up from a scooter, mine pulls off smooth as hell, just feed the clutch in, a breath of throttle and you doing 80. No blipping the throttle and slipping clutch, just smooth and fast. I have to keep checking it really is a KTM sticker on the side and not a Honda.

MrK

2014-03-09 08:53:00 UTC

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2014-03-09 11:38:00 UTC

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MrK

2014-03-09 12:04:00 UTC

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Katoom1290

2014-03-09 12:32:00 UTC

Mr K, you will not be disappointed.

Kev, I have wracked my brains on what mods but besides the loud pipe and a tail tidy, there is nothing more I would do to mine.

scamb66

2014-03-09 13:05:00 UTC

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2014-03-09 13:12:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2014-03-09 13:32:00 UTC

I've gone for full Akro, ergo seat,rear seat cowl, 30mm SW Motech bar risers,KTM tail tidy,alarm and heated grips on a black bike.
Delivery in June.
Also tempted by KTM rear sets in order to gain more leg room for dodgy knees.I'm 6ft 3ins with 36 inch inseam ,old and creaky.Should really be getting something more sensible.

Katoom1290

2014-03-09 14:16:00 UTC

Hyperbob

I must say the seat feels more comfy than the one on the SMT did, I am 5,9 with lanky legs and fit really comfy. I found the SMT seat a touch wide and it used to irritate my inner seam, this one is just perfect. I have ordered the heated grips, Gold Triple Clamp and SAS Removal kit but they only coming in a few weeks. I have doubts about fitting the heated grips now as I do not want the grips to be much fatter than they are now, the triple clamp was more to make it look cool than for the performance and the SAS was to tidy up the look on the motor. Suspect I should have ridden the bike first before I decided on that. I have now ordered a tank pad and am looking at getting a radiator guard for it.

One point I have noticed is that in town she does not run hot like the SMT did.

BassAgent

2014-03-10 03:51:00 UTC

Who's this dude on mulholland? Was taken in February. Wonder how he had one....

http://shop.rockstorephotos.com/p179707527/e2637bad6

SDNerd

2014-03-10 04:37:00 UTC

Bet it was a KTM demo bike. I was talking with a KTM employee at the m/c show and he said they had one to ride at KTM USA or something like that. It was in California. Just checked-KTM USA is based in Murrieta, CA.

Luxamor

2014-03-10 19:01:00 UTC

Well, i have my first ever KTM in the garage! Not even been out on her yet and i have a fooking oil leak!
Trying to pin point where its coming from. Not a good start for my first KTM

aracheon

2014-03-10 19:23:00 UTC

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SDNerd

2014-03-10 20:00:00 UTC

sorry yes its a 1290,
Do the dealers do anything with the oil on a new bike? rang the dealer twice today and never returned my call! Great service!

aracheon

2014-03-10 20:17:00 UTC

Can someone explain the "dongle" to me? Any gripes so far by magazines focus on inability/flexibility to adjust traction aids. Does the dongle address this? How so?

StuartJ

2014-03-10 20:43:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2014-03-10 22:08:00 UTC

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aracheon

2014-03-10 22:21:00 UTC

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sexparty

2014-03-10 22:32:00 UTC

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aracheon

2014-03-10 23:20:00 UTC

Luxamor, sorry that the black one is locked up. I've got a fat deposit down on an orange one. I decided to deviate from my usual black as my stable is filled with a lot of black bikes. Did your dealer offer any explanation as to why the delivery date has been pushed back by up to a month? I was going to check in with my dealer on Thursday if he didn't contact me as the delivery date I was quoted was 3/10. My dealers allotment is supposedly 3 SD 1290r's with no info on colors.

Luxamor

2014-03-10 23:59:00 UTC

I spoke to Thousand Oaks PowerSports here in Southern California and they were expecting the bikes to arrive in the store today, but the shipment is being held at customs. It's just a matter of customs clearance and our bikes will start getting delivered. I was told it could be a couple of weeks.

OZsuperduker

2014-03-11 00:54:00 UTC

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2014-03-11 00:56:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-03-11 02:29:00 UTC

Quality of dealer set up varies a great deal. I bought a new second generation V-max and man the dealer did a perfect job of setting the bike up. I couldn't find a single flaw, not a fingerprint, nothing loose, misaligned or anything. A year ago I bought a Honda F6B so I had a bagger to ride with my long and slow group of friends. The dealer delivered the bike to my shop due to the severe winter weather. The bike was rolled in and not started. I later discovered the bike was dead as in it wouldn't light up anything . I charged the battery and got it running but then found the dash was dead, radio dead turn signals and so on all none functional. I pulled the plastic dash and found everything unplugged with some of the wiring clearly still with packing tape holding it. Yes I bitched but I went over the bike from one end to the other myself. The fork was tweaked and binding so I installed a superbrace. The dealers excuse was that they were swamped setting up snowmobiles for a sale they were having. I haven't been back since.

The KTM dealer my deposit is with sold me my last Busa and it went well. The 1290r is a different animal, much more depedent on the computer downloads from Mother KTM. However, it still is a pile of metal held together by a few threaded fasteners so I will scrutinize every inch of the Beast before throwing a leg over it.

Lowrance

2014-03-11 10:55:00 UTC

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2014-03-16 21:21:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2014-03-17 01:19:00 UTC

got to give one a blast yesterday.

makes my rc8r feel pretty average.

aracheon

2014-03-17 01:50:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2014-03-17 11:08:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2014-03-17 11:15:00 UTC

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OZsuperduker

2014-03-17 11:18:00 UTC

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sexparty

2014-03-17 11:34:00 UTC

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kevxtx

2014-03-17 11:45:00 UTC

I also find the foot levers to short outwards for me so I extended them both by fitting 10mm spacers + 10mm longer stainless steel bolts + locking agent.

OZsuperduker

2014-03-17 11:55:00 UTC

You must be counting the sleeps mate. I know the feeling well. Glad it's all sorted for you

Kev: that is a bloody good and simple idea. Where can I get some mate? Gotta love that simplicity

No need to re-invent the wheel

kevxtx

2014-03-17 12:13:00 UTC

I had the spacers lying around they originally came from Jaycar from a few years back or try your local hobby shops they come as assorted spacers, you will need these sizes: 6mmID X 16mmOD X 10mm length (could use 8mm as well) + 10mm longer 6mm Allen key bolts.

SuperHoon

2014-03-17 21:41:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-03-17 21:50:00 UTC

I think you guys should check out racefit.com just made a de-cat system for the bike at £500.

Davo-Singapore

2014-03-17 21:53:00 UTC

kevxtx

where did you get the spacers from? I want to do this.. the gear lever is painfully short.

Stratkat

2014-03-17 22:26:00 UTC

My mate giving it stink.

SuperHoon

2014-03-17 23:12:00 UTC

[/quote]a guy i know was racing a 1290r last weekend, and he broke all the naked bike lap records at the track (in a national championship) and he likes it better than his rc8rs he used to race. he was 2 seconds a lap faster than any other naked bike out there. on a track that is around 1 minute a lap. which is huge.[/quote]

Were there any Tuono V4R's in the field?

OZsuperduker

2014-03-17 23:16:00 UTC

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OZsuperduker

2014-03-17 23:40:00 UTC

i want one of these so bad, and will have one, but the time just isnt right, maybe in a couple of years.
thing is i cant imagine a better bike to have in the interim than my 990. i mean i dont go out and look at it and think its a pile of ancient junk,
cant wait till i have the 1290, i still love it that much!

OZsuperduker

2014-03-17 23:53:00 UTC

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2014-03-18 00:06:00 UTC

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Katoom1290

2014-03-18 06:43:00 UTC

Any Aussies waiting for delivery, my dealer has an orange 1290, brand new available now.
PM me if interested and I will give you the telephone no.
Melbourne area.

Katoom1290

2014-03-18 07:59:00 UTC

My SD 1290 has gone back to the dealer yesturday to investigate the oil leak

jmann

2014-03-18 08:12:00 UTC

My 1290 SDR is currently at the dealer having the first service done (930 Km), Akra pipe fitted (just the end can) and heated grips as winter is approaching. So far been fantastic. Gets breezy on a long trip but that was expected. Off on a 380 km run to a bike rally on Friday. Still absolutely loving it.

kevxtx

2014-03-18 09:11:00 UTC

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MacaveliMC

2014-03-18 09:14:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-03-18 09:24:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-03-18 09:45:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-03-18 10:16:00 UTC

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OZsuperduker

2014-03-18 10:46:00 UTC

400kms so far no problems at all.

OZsuperduker

2014-03-18 11:55:00 UTC

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SuperHoon

2014-03-18 12:14:00 UTC

Can you guys post up some pictures of where you oil is leaking from?

I have a funny feeling I'll be replacing the whole clutch cover gasket not just the clutch cover but the bigger one behind it that it shares with the wter pump. Found a tiny seep on the front face just below the o2 sensor.

ebags

2014-03-18 13:08:00 UTC

its hard to tell on mine at the mo as everywhere was wet with oil. Its at the dealers at the mo but its hard to have any faith

Looks like quite a few are having oil leaks..not good KTM!

jmann

2014-03-18 17:53:00 UTC

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2014-03-18 18:54:00 UTC

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2014-03-18 21:44:00 UTC

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The Gin Reaper

2014-03-19 10:42:00 UTC

Here you go....

sexparty

2014-03-19 10:44:00 UTC

Thanks Guys!!

aracheon

2014-03-19 11:43:00 UTC

Wow, the torque...

ebags

2014-03-19 12:22:00 UTC

those two pictures are exactly the same thing that i have.

My own investigation by checking and wiping everyday points to exactly the same two places. I just hope the dealer will find the same thing.

scamb66

2014-03-19 13:07:00 UTC

Just got word that my local dealer's allocation of 1290s has been delayed by roughly another month.

aracheon

2014-03-19 15:18:00 UTC

Read the same thing on another forum from a rider in California. I can only assume that the same applies to Washington State. Bummer! I would hope they would be addressing some small issues with the bike but probably it is just paperwork.

ebags

2014-03-19 18:58:00 UTC

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The Gin Reaper

2014-03-19 19:59:00 UTC

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bic_bicknell

2014-03-19 20:06:00 UTC

I put a deposit on one back in the middle of December with delivery date of March 4th, Dealer called me and said date was pushed back till first week in April, I also am afraid to call and see if it has been pushed back any farther. I live in Upstate N.Y and have the 1st black 1290 coming into my dealer, I start track-days last week in April so was hoping to get to ride it a few hundred miles before I hit the track..Scott

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2014-03-19 21:20:00 UTC

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2014-03-19 21:43:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2014-03-19 21:57:00 UTC

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sexparty

2014-03-19 22:15:00 UTC

So when do you think the 1st 1290 will be in the USA? I would think with California being a ktm home base in the U.S, they would get them 1st? Hope the bike is worth the wait for us!!!

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2014-03-19 22:53:00 UTC

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MrZ32

2014-03-23 02:07:00 UTC

will take a 1290 for a test ride before all the paperwork gets officially signed but i thought it looked pretty good in the flesh, felt light but it didnt get my heart racing like i thought it would... almost convinced myself to drop 60 grand on a Bimota Tesi 3D until i saw the BMW RnineT... instant love, the fit and finish was beautiful (made the 1290 feel cheap and plasticky).. went and test rode it after the bike show and mine arrives in june (an actual build with my name on it). But it wont be to replace the SD... it will be a stable mate.

and the beemer isnt slow... and will lift the front in 2nd gear on the power, perfect fueling (will pull cleanly from 1000 rpm!?!?), handles beautifully at 7/10 pace (didnt try harder than that as its a demo but this truly is where the sd comes into it... the harder you push, the better they become), great angry sound out of the stock exhaust that actually looks good, in fact the whole bike is beautiful, the only change required is bar end mirrors... great street bike and shaft drive (no more chain servicing for that one)

I want to love the 1290 but the current sd puts a big smile on my face... and part of it is that its obnoxious to all... no emissions, angry, loud, loud, loud, oh and angry... not to mention that it handles beautifully with the ohlins cartridge kit, and springs to suit my weight.

Im sorry KTM but i think you hit and missed with your sales support and lack of hard parts support with stupid pricing (i can cope with cheap with crap service or expensive with amazing service but shit service with shit pricing... GTFO). Although i was happy with you (KTM) being at the bike expo, none of your sales guys knew about the thing (they couldnt even answer my questions), they didnt want you to sit on it (how stupid... its how you get someone to imagine buying the thing, even Bimota let me sit on the tesi... a 60K bike).

MrZ32

2014-03-23 02:11:00 UTC

and as for the front lofting up with the 1290 under power in 4th gear... mine (990SD) already does that... and can lift under power (no clutch) on the power in 3rd.. yes the 1290 is faster but im just not feeling you

too expensive for not enough... the heart wants what the heart wants... and so far it isnt you (but will wait for the test ride to fully confirm) but i could not fault the RnineT

dukepaul

2014-03-23 07:35:00 UTC

MrZ32

I love the 9T and I was certain that I was going to get one this year but I took the 1290 out for a test ride and I had to get a SD before even looking at the 9T/1000R and Monster

I sold my Hypermotard a couple of months ago and I also have a GSA which I thought that would be ok but I was left with wanting a Vtwin with a mix of Hyper and Diavel which the 1290 delivers, probably shouldn't have took the bike out for a test ride

The BMW customer service is really good and the guys at Daisy Hill are great.

Yeah some of the muppets at the dealers do my head-in and KTM (Australia) could learn a bit from BMW with customer service and product knowledge.

MrZ32

2014-03-23 10:02:00 UTC

Completely agree. .. couldn't make the beemer my only bike as I love the sd.

I also understand that the beemer isn't for everyone. I just hope someone from ktm (who can do something about it) sees that they lost a sale due to their piss poor customer interaction.

Heck. .. bmw want the r nine t to have aftermarket parts. They got some of the best boutique designers to come up with aftermarket parts before the bike was released.

scamb66

2014-03-23 12:37:00 UTC

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2014-03-23 15:16:00 UTC

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2014-03-23 15:22:00 UTC

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MrZ32

2014-03-23 18:31:00 UTC

Stock 990 Sd cant lift in 4th only with a road bump , quite lame to try to say 990 is somthing its not ..And If you change gearing so much that it will it equals 2-3 gear anyway on a stock Sd .

1290 is an total diffrent animal .

aracheon

2014-03-23 22:02:00 UTC

Well for Starters, the bike is hardly stock.. and yes it will loft (read hover just off the ground) up in 4th with 16/40 gearing... it will not pop right up like it can in 1, 2, 3 but it does loft. Im putting out 132hp at the back wheel (so 150 at the fly is a reasonable estimation) 95Nm of torque at 3500rpm with a quarter turn throttle without electronics telling me what I should and shouldn't be doing. .. but yes obviously that is lame?

I'm not saying it is going to win in a straight line yet it can still run a 10.89 down the quarter (bloody indy beat me by three hundredths of a second).. with the main problem being, keeping the front down (otherwise I would have been quicker)

in the twisty Mountains that I ride, a motard is the quickest way around. Its just the roads that link them all up suck without some hp. If the roads were more open, or I still bothered with track days (I race dh and gravity enduro, so no more track days)... Then I might consider ktm's crappy prices and support. ..its not that expensive but it just doesn't seem worth it. Especially considering there isn't good parts available for them yet.

The sd is meant to be raw, unadulterated and obnoxious... The new one isn't. .. its fast for sure. .. but so is a Honda

scamb66

2014-03-23 22:33:00 UTC

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2014-03-23 23:30:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-03-24 05:12:00 UTC

My 990 hauls also I have trouble hanging on! Dont know HP but it goes great.
You guys must have got the crap model 990?
No rim tape either

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2014-03-24 05:32:00 UTC

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Linga

2014-03-24 05:56:00 UTC

I'm finding this talk about coming up in 4th and easily flying up in 3rd to be highly reaching. read: full of shit.

Only way it's coming up in 3rd or 4th is because it was already airborne in 2nd and you shifted.

In 3rd gear, the bike isn't coming up without some proper bounce/leaning or some clutch pull. Or both.

scamb66

2014-03-24 06:58:00 UTC

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2014-03-24 07:55:00 UTC

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2014-03-24 08:01:00 UTC

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MrZ32

2014-03-24 08:18:00 UTC

Maybe you werent watching the video but it was pretty obvious how much he bounced the front to get it up in 3rd. Just as I said. I appreciate your attempt at trying to make me wrong. I bet you felt so good about it too lol

I literally ride every day, and wheely every day multiple times like a total jackass. I know what I'm talking about

You can't just be cruising in 3rd gear and decide to open the throttle and the bike just launches up, not without some sort of rider aide in the form of bouncing the front, leaning back (or clutching); and especially not in 4th.

Linga

2014-03-24 09:34:00 UTC

Yeah the 1290 is not in the same league, did a little test on the way home from work after reading these posts.

With the 1290 you can change up into third quite quickly so you are not right on the power and then just twist the throttle to the stop and just sit there and wait, as the power comes on it just lofts the front wheel effortlessly without any interaction from the rider and stops when you let the power off.

Credit where credit is due but....... they are some nice controlled mono's, both picking it up and putting it back down, very graceful, been riding since I was knee high and can pop it up on the back wheel no problem, anyone can pop a mono, as you can tell from other comments, but not everyone can do it well

Just waiting to see the vid from bass to see him walk the walk as talk is cheap and that was not what I would call "proper" bounce, just a well timed transfer of weight .

"full of shit" hmmm, as they say, that pissed on your bonfire, will teach you for shooting off your mouth eh, I have been on this forum for 2 minutes and I can already see the ones that are "full of shit"

MrZ32

2014-03-24 10:07:00 UTC

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2014-03-24 10:20:00 UTC

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2014-03-24 13:02:00 UTC

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Superdan

2014-03-24 14:05:00 UTC

Was waiting for someone to bring this out:

http://www.kraemer-motorcycles.com/en/index.html

BassAgent

2014-03-24 15:45:00 UTC

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Lowrance

2014-03-24 16:58:00 UTC

Hmmm, not seeing another video yet and someone's gone very quiet which is unusual

BassAgent

2014-03-24 19:00:00 UTC

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BassAgent

2014-03-24 21:31:00 UTC

You know what you must do Klink.....

Linga

2014-03-24 21:59:00 UTC

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2014-03-24 22:01:00 UTC

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2014-03-24 22:06:00 UTC

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2014-03-24 22:15:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-03-24 22:17:00 UTC

You're welcome to a ride-along too Linga.

I'll put you on the back of my triumph. We can ride down PCH into the sunset.

BassAgent

2014-03-24 22:28:00 UTC

I'm not sure you'd be comfortable judging from your avatar... What is PCH?

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2014-03-24 22:33:00 UTC

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2014-03-25 00:02:00 UTC

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2014-03-25 01:23:00 UTC

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2014-03-25 01:48:00 UTC

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2014-03-25 02:57:00 UTC

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2014-03-25 03:01:00 UTC

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2014-03-25 03:02:00 UTC

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Superdan

2014-03-26 11:31:00 UTC

I take reviews a pinch of salt, agree they can be biased and dont always want to bash makes and models. Be interesting to see what the German guys say when they do this test shortly, I think they got in trouble recently for bashing the 1200 adventure jobby.

Lets be fair apart from the Kawasaki no bike on the review is shit. I would be happy to have any of them in the garage.

I don't have the APRC system on my Toohomo V4 its a standard R version but the APRC appears to be very good and intuitive, no doubt as good as the KTM, however the Aprilia from what I have seen/read is so much easier to use, from reading about the KTM, you can adjust on the fly, remembers settings and so forth, its going to be a better track bike as it has more protection and a WSBK derived chassis, hopefully they may alter the adjustablity for future years.

I am not KTM bashing at all, I would love a new/used KTM 1290 but waaaaaay too much wonga for me so on the next best thing IMO, is it really 2-3k better than the toohomo or Beemer though? Every review I have read for the 1290 has said great bike but not lived up to the hype of the "beast" and adjusting the settings is a PITA.

May even buy a copy of MCN and read the review in full.

Ducati Pete

2014-03-26 12:11:00 UTC

Your bike wins = Good honest review.

Other model wins = Paid for bias.

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2014-03-26 12:21:00 UTC

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shadowman

2014-03-26 12:48:00 UTC

This seems a fair review IMO, based on all the other feedback and write ups. 1290 electronics package is not a easy to use or sophisticated as the BM and Aprilia.

Just accept it.

Stratkat

2014-03-26 13:33:00 UTC

Bic,

Lets be honest, you and the 1290 should get a room!!

A more obvious flirtation it would be hard to imagine (Protest indifference, lots of love the one you're with posts, sulky statements about not reading her thread any more, thinly veiled desire, frustration that her mum wont allow you a trial ride etc etc)

I certainly hope our fellow SD ers have been enjoying this as much as I have.

Why not just sell me your bike and go get her - You know you want to!!

bic_bicknell

2014-03-26 13:45:00 UTC

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smackman

2014-03-26 14:51:00 UTC

Oh dear, some people just don't want to hear the truth!

shadowman

2014-03-26 15:58:00 UTC

Hahaha funny ppl here , why be so pissed of cos Sd 1290 dont win an Group test

Ducati Pete

2014-03-26 16:06:00 UTC

Nice repost.

Was going to go the "me thinks he doth protest too much" route but I suspect you are being honest.

Still like your SD better than any other I have seen. Mine would make a good base for a project bike so lets swap and both be happy

Colonel_Klinck

2014-03-26 18:03:00 UTC

No-one seems to complain about how the various modes work once selected

It appears that sport mode works well, the TC isn't too intrusive etc.

So the only bug bear appears to be the bike not remembering the last settings and not being able to switch modes (or switch off on the fly).

Stupid Luke

2014-03-26 18:55:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-03-26 18:58:00 UTC

Any pics of this woman that you are clearly only pretending to imagine?

ebags

2014-03-26 19:56:00 UTC

I am going to be one of those riders who is fine with the rider aids almost all the time. I may switch them off a few times to feel "beast mode", but a man's got to know his limitations

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2014-03-26 19:59:00 UTC

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2014-03-26 23:07:00 UTC

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2014-03-26 23:24:00 UTC

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Linga

2014-03-27 03:57:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2014-03-27 04:20:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-03-27 05:31:00 UTC

What did I meet her for?

A metaphor.

Stratkat

2014-03-27 08:22:00 UTC

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MrZ32

2014-03-28 02:03:00 UTC

Loft is a more gentle way of saying lift... it is a softer word.

E.g. more, most

ebags

2014-03-28 04:04:00 UTC

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sexparty

2014-03-28 04:21:00 UTC

Gotcha, thanks for clearing it up

Stratkat

2014-03-28 08:37:00 UTC

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wilks

2014-03-29 04:08:00 UTC

If you want to get technical:

VERB

[WITH OBJECT]
Back to top
1Kick, hit, or throw (a ball or missile) high up:
he lofted the ball over the infield

OZsuperduker

2014-03-29 10:10:00 UTC

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bic_bicknell

2014-03-31 07:26:00 UTC

I am quickly losing a lot of respect for some people in this forum. Especially ones complaining about the use of the electronics package on this bike. I cannot comprehend people's inability to grasp this simple concept. Then again opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. I just feel embarrassed for the individuals posting this. It doesn't get any easier than this

Katoom1290

2014-03-31 07:50:00 UTC

Mate,

Is at the simple concept you mean the one that I want to get on my bike, set the traction control, ABS and power mode to what I want it to be and then when I stop at the garage to fuel up and switch the bike off I have to reset it all again. Then I stop for a coffee half an hour later and have to reset it all again. And again, and again every time I stop.

All because the designers overlooked the simple idea of storing your settings. (Maybe all KTM need to do is give away the dongle rather than making you pay for it as an extra).

Personally, that's the only thing I see wrong with the electronics from what I've read.

wilks

2014-03-31 08:15:00 UTC

With regards to the resetting of the electronics.... I personally like the fact that it does not automatically reset. This bike has so much power and the gearing is short so if you stop and have your coffee, meet a mate and jump on the bike forgetting you switched it off while you try and zoot off behind him it will get ugly in a heart beat. It is a safety feature, very few people have the skill to constantly ride this bike on the road without the electronics. Personally, and I am 50 years old so take it as it comes and have been riding since I was 16, I do appreciate it switching off. I want to consciously reset it to hooligan if I want it. To be honest, not had the need for that so ye moot point for me.

I honestly cannot understand how something that small and easy to change is becoming such a huge issue. How many guys who actually own a SDR are cheesed off about it? This bike is incredible, you may as well complain that you have to raise the kick stand every time you get on the bike.

Appreciate the fact that KTM have given us a bike that rivals the BMW and Aprillia and the rest is down to personal taste.

sexparty

2014-03-31 08:43:00 UTC

If your just stopping switch the bike off at the kill switch it will retain your settings . If it starts to annoy you it means your stopping too much when you should be riding .

scamb66

2014-03-31 10:50:00 UTC

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Millar

2014-03-31 11:03:00 UTC

You guys are all pussy's you just need one like mine with automated shut off.
Just accelerate hard it will do it for you, nice and hot and road is sticky, obviously no need for MTC/ABS so goes into auto shutdown.
Whats so hard??

Stratkat

2014-03-31 11:45:00 UTC

KTM should have installed a 'Hooligan switch' on the dash to switch off all the riders aids instantly...

jmann

2014-03-31 12:26:00 UTC

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2014-04-01 12:25:00 UTC

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2014-04-01 13:06:00 UTC

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2014-04-02 19:21:00 UTC

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sexparty

2014-04-04 15:16:00 UTC

cheer up everybody....just pin it to win it!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... dxBsuVWeYY

Katoom1290

2014-04-04 15:43:00 UTC

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OZsuperduker

2014-04-06 09:25:00 UTC

That's my mate Daz. He calls it like he sees it too.

sexparty

2014-04-06 10:45:00 UTC

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baggieman

2014-04-06 14:31:00 UTC

What a great advert

oczer79

2014-04-08 20:54:00 UTC

I had my first proper run on my new SDR today. Did just over 200 miles this afternoon in the West of Scotland (Helensburgh to Oban and back). For those unfamiliar with the route, it's was reasonably twisty roads. Very variable speeds, all good for running in a new bike. Well what did I think? I'm stunned! In my opinion the bike is incredible. The engine is so powerful, torquey and unbelievably smooth. The fuelling is as perfect as I've ever experienced. The suspension seemed perfect for our road conditions. I've spent a fortune in the past trying to optimise the old SD's suspension with little success. The suspension on the new bike is dramatically better straight out of the box. I've not adjusted anything and it's brilliant. Now maybe Im just lucky and it all just suits my weight (80 kts booted and suited). The handling unsurprisingly worked a treat for me as well. I'd a whole mixture of conditions, it is Scotland after all so the 4 seasons in one day was always going to be the minimum in one afternoon. I set off in Sport mode and left it in that all afternoon. I don't have the dongle yet so had to reselect Sport after refuelling. Really the reselection is a non event. It probably takes about the same amount of time as closing the petrol cap and putting the key back in the ignition. It will be handy to have the dongle. I must stress I'm no expert but I've been riding for quite a long time, had a good few bikes and this is my fourth Superduke. I absolutely love it. Can't wait to get out on it again

scamb66

2014-04-08 21:45:00 UTC

Thanks for your report! I am really looking forward to getting my bike.

Colonel_Klinck

2014-04-09 15:59:00 UTC

Mine retains the driving mode Sport/Road/Rain after turning off the bike without the dongle. Only ABS MTC and such resets.

kevxtx

2014-04-09 16:05:00 UTC

same here

OZsuperduker

2014-04-09 22:18:00 UTC

It will retain the ride mode you last set it in (does anyone use anything beside sport?) but will reset the MTC/ABS back to default without the dongle everytime you turn it off.

jmann

2014-04-16 19:52:00 UTC

Well I finally had a ride on the 1290 today. KTM Centre let me take theirs out for a blast. Thanks Mark and Jason 01442 255272 [email protected]

Well where to begin. The bike was set in street mode when given to me but I switched it to sport. I don't know the area around Hemel Hempstead that well and asked for a decent road to go and try it out on. Wouldn't be my ideal road but it was ok for the purpose. Riding it out of town the engine couldn't have felt more different to the 990. It was almost like riding a IL4. So smooth and no vibes at all. Not like the big twin I've come to love. I'm not sure how the hell they've done that??
As it was a borrowed bike I eased myself into it. Worked my way up through the gears but without giving it the beans. Gearbox is very very smooth. Bike feels very light, perhaps even as light as the 990 but not as aggressive in it's geometry. You are really sat in the 1290, I'd change the foot pegs positions if it were my bike and raise both the shift lever and rear brake but it was very comfy for my 6'1". After a few miles it's time to play with the engine. Jesus it has so much torque!

kevxtx

2014-04-16 20:22:00 UTC

So you did not like it then, it's quite a different bike out of the crate compared to a 990.

Colonel_Klinck

2014-04-16 22:58:00 UTC

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Superdan

2014-04-16 23:55:00 UTC

"For me after the fast action one on my SDR it's way too long."
That is probably the biggest issue I find with the bike, it can still be tamed for everyone yet have a quicker throttle and I hope there is scope in the future to change this aspect of an otherwise great bike.
I guess we will be restricted to a ride by wire map change to achieve this - bummer!

sexparty

2014-04-17 00:40:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-04-17 01:43:00 UTC

Sorry to dissagree but I dont recall any cables. When I was modifying the throttle all I saw was an electronic throttle plate

sexparty

2014-04-17 03:12:00 UTC

The only cables in the twist grip are electrical.

1290Nerd

2014-04-17 06:13:00 UTC

That there I guess is going to be a problem then unless someone is very clever and finds a way around it or KTM release one.

Oompaloompa

2014-04-17 15:51:00 UTC

Good to see a review from a 990 owner, cheers Klinck.

They're fun, eh? It gets even more fun when you get braver with the throttle. I don't think I'd want the action any quicker though, there's a lot of torque to meter out accurately especially when pushing on through the twisties.

kevxtx

2014-04-18 12:13:00 UTC

Out Big time, one thing I hate when I am sitting at 110kph on the highway & the Speedo reads 125kph.

I have even tried to wire in a Speedo Healer & a SpeedoDRD into the front ABS wiring to correct it but it keep showing a MTC fault with either system wired in.

dukepaul

2014-04-19 07:55:00 UTC

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2014-04-20 00:42:00 UTC

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2014-04-20 02:44:00 UTC

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MacaveliMC

2014-04-20 07:05:00 UTC

People have to be reminded that the KTM is a stand alone model that has taken huge resources to develop.

The BMW is a product of stripping down a current model and chucking a few bits of nasty plastic at.

The BMW is probably a great bike, as the donor model is so good, but not one I'd be interested in.

LB

MacaveliMC

2014-04-20 08:45:00 UTC

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aracheon

2014-04-20 12:05:00 UTC

Developed with, not from I'd have thought...

Different frame, swing arm and engine for a start.

Katoom1290

2014-04-20 13:21:00 UTC

The frames are very similar if not the same

aracheon

2014-04-20 14:10:00 UTC

This turned out to be good news for taller riders with knackered knees like myself.It meant the Superduke had Supermoto type leg room.

MacaveliMC

2014-04-20 14:44:00 UTC

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2014-04-20 15:12:00 UTC

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kevxtx

2014-04-24 08:59:00 UTC

I am 100% sure mine are 10 X 1.25 thread to the bars.

jmann

2014-04-24 09:15:00 UTC

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kevxtx

2014-04-24 12:43:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-04-24 19:53:00 UTC

I used a tap out of my tap & die set to check & measure the tread size & pitch, the size on the mirror holders on the bars are right hand threads both sides 10mm by 1.25mm pitch.

oczer79

2014-04-25 07:34:00 UTC

Excellent thanks all for your help!

ktm08

2014-04-25 07:54:00 UTC

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sexparty

2014-04-26 00:28:00 UTC

The second of the 3 part Motorcycle.com naked bike test has been published. They basically confirm what I expected which is the KTM is by far the most comfortable bike of the bunch. Lots of legroom and thin. This is what drew me to my 2008 SD over other manufacturers' offerings and it seems to still be the case. For the next test the SD will go head to head with the Tuono V4R. Should be interesting to see how it compares to the current king of naked bikes.

http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/20 ... wl-video/2

ebags

2014-04-26 10:31:00 UTC

The fact that it wins the 'grin factor' by some margin is really what it is all about.
That they put the Beemer ahead on appearance leaves me a little dismayed, personally I think its the worst of the lot but thats just my opinion.

2014 Super Naked Street Brawl Scorecard

Category......BMW S1000R.....Ducati Monster 1200S.....Kawasaki Z1000 ABS.....KTM 1290 Super Duke R

Appearance.........8.9..................8.2............................8.4........................ 8.8
Cool Factor.........8.6..................8.2............................7.0.........................9.1
Grin Factor.........8.6..................8.0............................7.0.........................9.8
Overall Score......91.1.................83.2...........................78.1.......................92.2

sexparty

2014-04-27 12:35:00 UTC

Hey.
Does anyone have switched the rear tyre on the 1290 SDR?
Mine is almost worn out now after 3500km / 2170mi.
I'm a little unsure if I will go for Dunlop Sportmax Sports Smart 2 which was standard. The tyre was great and had plenty of grip, but is worn out a bit too fast!

I've looked at the Michelin Pilot Power 2CT, and considering this tyre.
I had this on my previous 1998 Yamaha R1, and was happy with it!

Any opinions from you guys would be nice!

2014_SDR

2014-04-27 13:53:00 UTC

As far as i know the Dunlops are the longest lasting tyres out there, unless you go for touring tyres. Personally I really hate Michelin tyres, but thats just me. =)

MacaveliMC

2014-04-27 18:56:00 UTC

http://blog.ktm.com/column-fast-furious ... ockenheim/

Stratkat

2014-04-29 21:13:00 UTC

http://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=1290

Only 15 registered in the UK so far, according to this. My dealer says he's sold 7 in Scotland already.

ebags

2014-04-29 21:35:00 UTC

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2014-04-29 22:28:00 UTC

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sexparty

2014-04-30 07:49:00 UTC

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cessnatpa

2014-05-03 22:24:00 UTC

How long is the warranty on the new SD? I can't seem to find it on the ktm website. Thanks

ferret990

2014-05-03 22:56:00 UTC

2 years, unlimited miles (as long as you don't take the "Ready to race" slogan too seriously).

sexparty

2014-05-04 10:27:00 UTC

KTM are releasing the RACING stickers in orange or white for your wheels soon.

http://www.gear4motorcycles.co.uk/?i=665215

Stratkat

2014-05-04 12:57:00 UTC

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sexparty

2014-05-04 16:44:00 UTC

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ferret990

2014-05-04 20:49:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-05-04 22:46:00 UTC

Well worth thinking about the extended warranty if you only get one year from KTM.
Similar price ($1000) in Oz for an extra 3 years of "factory level" warranty with a cap of $5000 per repair.
I am covered into 2019, and it"s transferable which may help resale (gonna need it).
Have just come off a 990 SMT, and issues on these bikes appeared well after the 12 months (clocks, immobilisers +) and there is a swag of electronics on the 1290 to fry.
I don't normally get sucked in by the Ming Mole add-ons, but the European electronics spook me a bit.
Who knows how the mechanicals will hold up with that torque ripping through it for a few years in the real world.

sexparty

2014-05-05 22:58:00 UTC

Went for a 400km ride with only a fuel stop for a break and got off fresh and feeling good. This bike is even more comfy than a standard SD.
Sweet spot seemed to be about 140km/h @4000rpm, fuel economy about 5.5 lt 100km a quick blast to 260 km/h saw this destroyed to 6.3 lt 100km.

scamb66

2014-05-06 04:11:00 UTC

Evotech have an frontal engine guard now available.

http://www.evotech-performance.com/2014 ... gine-guard

sexparty

2014-05-06 04:32:00 UTC

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2014-05-06 05:49:00 UTC

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2014-05-06 07:14:00 UTC

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ktm08

2014-05-06 07:19:00 UTC

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2014-05-06 10:11:00 UTC

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Superdan

2014-05-06 12:13:00 UTC

I just done a 500mile trip after fitting it, had no issues that i know of. Well worth it!

aracheon

2014-05-06 18:09:00 UTC

Windshield:
https://www.mrashop.de/erp/catalog/navi ... 0%29&spr=D

sexparty

2014-05-14 03:40:00 UTC

Mine came in today. Will pick it up Thursday or Friday.

mr_et

Colonel_Klinck

2014-05-14 11:32:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-05-14 11:49:00 UTC

yup our lovely ugly UK plates!

jmann

2014-05-15 13:46:00 UTC

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bic_bicknell

2014-05-18 22:12:00 UTC

Baron's first ride

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2014-05-19 00:29:00 UTC

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1290Nerd

2014-05-19 00:37:00 UTC

Comrades: To me it felt as the the video was sped up but I wouldn't swear on that. Also the video can't convey the arm-wrenching thrust you feel on the overtaking manoeuvres but I guess video never will. I've had my bike for three months now and love it more and more.

bic_bicknell

2014-05-21 01:37:00 UTC

Picked mine up today. For the record, more torque is better. I mean really better.

Katoom1290

2014-05-21 06:25:00 UTC

Baron Von Grumble didn't add much to the reviews did he?

"Oooh this bike is great, it's really great. Oooh it has a lot of torque and it's really fast. My neck hurts when I go fast, (80mph). Oooh it's fast. I love it, I love it."

I'm so bored of hearing this over and over again but never said in any different way. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Of course it is all of the above, it a 1300 engine you dick.

Aphex

2014-05-21 10:30:00 UTC

Comrade Bic: Quite correct, however in my trivia induced stupor I thought it was at least a welcome relief from "How loud is it with this exhaust? How loud with this exhaust with the baffle out? How loud with the baffle cut in half? Can you record a ride by? ..." zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Even the naked's have pretty much dried up

Katoom1290

2014-05-21 11:01:00 UTC

Bic...have you test ridden a 1290 yet !

Stratkat

2014-05-21 11:15:00 UTC

No. I'm still waiting to get a chance to have a go on the demos, (which aren't available).

Rode up past Hemmel KTM last week where I know they do have one, Klinky had a go on it a while back, but I was on a mission somewhere and couldn't afford the time to pop in on spec. I do want a go on one to see for myself but I'm already months past deciding that I don't want one.

I won't go into why again as I've said it all on here before. My money has gone elsewhere now and I'm picking up the Kawasaki H2 tomorrow, that's what I'm excited about and I'll stick with my 990 as it's still brilliant for what I want.

bic_bicknell

2014-05-21 11:22:00 UTC

Bic....I have had mine for almost 2 months now, not many km's so far (just over 2300) and if you ask me for a review it will be.......*wide eyed with total amazement in my voice* ......blady hell!!! it is fast, totally mind bendingly amazing and I am in love. More than that you will get lots of cooing and garbled muttering of love and endearment as I quietly hug the bike in the corner growling aggressively at anyone who dares to get near.

Ride one, then give us your report mate!

jmann

2014-05-21 14:52:00 UTC

I finally got back on my SD after 6 months of riding an FZ8. Holy shit it's like my first time riding a V twin again, instant thrust with a sound to match. I'd assume that's what it's like for people jumping onto the 1290 from the 990 or in Barons case the s1000rr.

ferret990

2014-05-21 15:05:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2014-05-21 18:11:00 UTC

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scamb66

2014-05-21 18:27:00 UTC

me personally, i dont give a shit what bic thinks of the 1290. You can keep your review to yourself....yawn

prikkie

2014-05-23 15:02:00 UTC

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ktm08

2014-05-24 21:09:00 UTC

1290 R vs RC8 Acceleration from 100 to 200 in 6 gear, RC8 has Akrapovič and rear sprocket +3:
http://youtu.be/z3gp6gPNmNI

sexparty

2014-05-24 23:21:00 UTC

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Ducati Pete

2014-05-25 00:00:00 UTC

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ktm08

2014-05-25 06:22:00 UTC

On a winding road they run away, I did not have this problem with the old superduke:

http://youtu.be/UsHvFpWqp8M

ktmguy

2014-05-26 02:45:00 UTC

Whoever is fastest on public roads is whoever is willing to take the most risk. Get on a track. Of course on a track the sport bikes are going to be pretty quick! I don't understand how you could be slower on the 1290 compared to the old 990. Weight is similar. The 1290 engine is different though. Try a gear higher than you are used to and use all that torque! But anyway, I personally did not buy the 1290 to go out and beat sport bikes, but rather to have a lot of fun in general.

ktm08

2014-05-26 03:01:00 UTC

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wilks

2014-05-26 11:14:00 UTC

A little relaxation on the road, the old SD had more engine brake when the throttle is released- I like it.
http://youtu.be/2a5WiwA9OXY

ktm08

2014-05-26 22:42:00 UTC

Your riding is hard to watch .

fatbob

2014-05-30 06:15:00 UTC

Somebody know where to find this adapter plates for rear sets:

shadowman

2014-05-30 08:13:00 UTC

I now know what you lot are all bitching about with the map resetting itself , my 1190 ADV never did that till its first recall , now it does , it always stayed in the setting you left it in.

Out of curiosity, what software version do you have after the update? check by holding the UP and DOWN buttons on your left handlebar control down whilst turning the ignition ON - it should run through a couple of menus and end up at the service info and software version. I can set DRL on/off, the riding mode stays where I left it, no defaulting back to STREET mode. Another chap has v2-20 and also does not see the riding mode default back to STREET.

ktmguy

2014-05-30 08:55:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-05-30 10:19:00 UTC

Well as some of you know I took the plunge and got a new one, black of course!
Picked it up yesterday with the van. Did some checks this morning, like tyre pressure and so on and headed out.
So far...really rapped with it and don't regret going for this, took a long time to convince me.

Positives:
Awesome engine but we knew this already. Pulls like a schoolboy watching redtube. Compared to the 990 super smooth too.
Handling is great and better out of the box than the 990 ever was (that could be me setting it up but hey). And again out of the box a bit better than the S1000R I tested.
Brakes and so on great.
Very comfy for a naked!
Fuel consumption, big plus here.
The engine temp not shooting up like a rocket as soon as I have to stop for a red light.

Not so good:
Mirrors, but other have the same problem or worse. Doesn't bother me.
Shifter and rear brake lever, Kevtx has the solution but for now I adjusted them a bit and have another go tomorrow.

Downright stupid!
THE FFFFING speedo!!!!!
I wonder if that reflects in the ODO too? I know in the old day they where linked mechanically but here it's electronic. Has anyone done the ODO compare to GPS or so? This will make a 10.000km bike 11.600km STUPID!
No QS! If there ever was a bike that needed a quick shifter it is this one! I never had a bike with a QS on it but I rode a few, most don't need it. I thought it was really nice on the beemer and it worked very well.
Please KTM sort this out!

Anyway, still great bike and I love it. I know I have been negative about it but I'm glad I took the step and got one. Still have an issue but not with the bike, with KTM sadly.
It's standard so far but I put some pics up later.

kevxtx

2014-05-31 00:46:00 UTC

Comrade Guy: Welcome to the True Believers (Fast Black) club.

ktmguy

2014-05-31 04:52:00 UTC

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2014-05-31 05:50:00 UTC

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NEO

2014-05-31 06:05:00 UTC

Nice work Guy, think you will be more than satisfied with the new bike.
As for the speedo error I find that the error in mine is about the same at 12-15%.
Whole thread on it in the 1290 Technical section.

ferret990

2014-05-31 07:05:00 UTC

I agree a quick shifter is a must have on this bike, why is it such a problem, KTM?

Speedo over reading, darn it so I'm not 15mph quicker on this bike

jmann

2014-05-31 07:17:00 UTC

You will probably get no joy with a warranty claim with the speedo.
I think it was Kev who pointed out that in Oz +10% + 8km/r is within spec?
So 118 @ 100 is OK.
PITA - if our odo's are in line with the speedo, service costs arrive earlier and come sale time the mileage is higher.

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2014-05-31 07:23:00 UTC

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ferret990

2014-05-31 07:41:00 UTC

actual + 10% + 8km/hr
100 + 10 + 8 = 118
Edit: However I just had a look at the ADR's:
From 1 July 2006 newly introduced models of a vehicle available on the market must comply with ADR 18/03. Also, from 1 July 2007 any newly manufactured vehicle (excluding mopeds) must comply with this rule.This new rule requires that the speedo must not indicate a speed less than the vehicle’s true speed or a speed greater than the vehicle’s true speed by an amount more than 10 percent plus 4 km/h. Significantly, this change means that speedos must always read 'safe', meaning that the vehicle's true speed must not be higher than the speed indicated by the speedo.
That is, at a true vehicle speed of 100km/h the speedo must read between 100km/h and 114km/h. An alternative way to look at it is; at an indicated speed of 100km/h, the vehicle's true speed must be between 87.3 km/h and 100km/h.

Going by this, the 1290 may be out of spec - not sure where the +10% + 8km/hr came from?

ktmguy

2014-05-31 08:05:00 UTC

Had another look at 18/03:
http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/files/ADR%201803.pdf
We may be screwed - on the last page (Annex 3) I think motorbikes are + 10% + 8km/hr.
Should've known Kev would be right

jmann

2014-05-31 09:11:00 UTC

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kevxtx

2014-05-31 10:43:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2014-06-01 02:18:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2014-06-01 02:20:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-06-01 03:40:00 UTC

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2014-06-01 09:05:00 UTC

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kevxtx

2014-06-01 10:43:00 UTC

Comrade MacD: Fair call

jmann

2014-06-01 13:01:00 UTC

I've spent the last few days having brill fun on mine. First track day on Friday night.
Tooling around locally in the twisties the rest of the time. Had such a brill time I'd no spare capacity to look at the speedo!

ktmguy

2014-06-01 21:39:00 UTC

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kevxtx

2014-06-01 23:30:00 UTC

Comrades: This is ridiculous really. If you think about it even if the Diagnostic Tool only allows them to set wheel size (wheel circumference) how hard would it be for KTM to change the diagnostic tool to allow the operator to type in a different value - it's only software, all they'd need to do is to tell the dealers to update over the network. Even if the value gets stored in the speedo ECU, you can't tell me it's not writable.

jmann

2014-06-01 23:44:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2014-06-02 00:04:00 UTC

I know the software can fix the problem KTM needs to make the function available in the Software for the dealer

jmann you will never be able to know the CAN protocol by reading the bits unless you are the programmer.

kevxtx

2014-06-02 02:05:00 UTC

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2014-06-02 02:51:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-06-02 03:14:00 UTC

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dukepaul

2014-06-02 03:16:00 UTC

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No. 47

2014-06-02 03:29:00 UTC

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sexparty

2014-06-03 07:23:00 UTC

New video and review from Motorcycle.com

kevxtx

2014-06-04 16:50:00 UTC

http://www.colwynbaymotorcycles.com/ktm ... led-order/

sexparty

2014-06-04 19:46:00 UTC

Yes as above my local dealer has a black one so grab it quick!!!!

kevxtx

2014-06-18 08:00:00 UTC

Samco Sport got some hoses for the 1290 SDR now. I cant for the life of me figure out how the second Y one fits on the bike but whatever. I really want blue but I think it'd ruin the look I've got going on.

http://racebikebitz.com/KTM-Road-Bike-S ... ngine+Size

http://racebikebitz.com/KTM-Road-Bike-S ... ngine+Size

KTM Twins has a neat triple o ring clutch slave cylinder and few other new things on their site.

http://www.ktmtwins.com/ktm-sigutech-bi ... e-cylinder

jmann

2014-06-18 08:51:00 UTC

A mate in Brisbane has the hoses on his bike already: http://www.ktmsmt.com/viewtopic.php?f=3 ... mco#p36675

I have my Oberon off my SMR/SMT on the 1290: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Oberon-KTM-9 ... 4acb9697bd

sexparty

2014-06-18 10:58:00 UTC

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1290Nerd

2014-06-22 03:41:00 UTC

Sexparty

What pegs did you Try? Did you try the ones with an offset like these on Ebay?
Are the mounts the same as the 990?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Black-Shadow- ... 2c847790e6

Cheers

ktmguy

2014-06-24 07:07:00 UTC

nice...anybody know if those above pegs will fit?

sexparty

2014-06-24 07:24:00 UTC

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1290Nerd

2014-06-24 10:23:00 UTC

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sexparty

2014-06-24 10:39:00 UTC

Straight pegs were never going to work as the peg to mount is offset by 25mm.
Just need to work out the correct mount type.

scamb66

2014-07-01 20:28:00 UTC

-1

ktmguy

2014-07-03 11:12:00 UTC

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AGRO!

2014-07-17 12:24:00 UTC

So Ross Noble is using a 1290 for his next show.
Likes it by the looks, maybe he gets better support from KTM than most hmmmmm.

NEO

2014-07-17 22:38:00 UTC

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Colonel_Klinck

2014-07-18 06:01:00 UTC

Once he finds out how good KTM look after you he will be back on BMW.

ktmguy

2014-07-20 05:25:00 UTC

Just playing around a bit in Photoshop. I know this defeats the purpose of a naked bike but I reckon a 'belly pan' fairing mod to fill in the gap between front wheel and radiator would look awesome:

OZsuperduker

2014-07-20 07:39:00 UTC

Looks good

OZsuperduker

2014-07-20 09:26:00 UTC

I think the 1290 is crying out for a belly pan. Improved the lines on the 990 for sure.

fatbob

2014-07-20 09:52:00 UTC

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NEO

2014-07-21 23:08:00 UTC

That looks great jemook. I'd buy one. Now of you go and make sure you make me one in orange/white combination please.

Jut make sure during your R&D you test you maintain sufficient airflow to that big bore v-twin

Oalvarez

2014-07-21 23:49:00 UTC

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fatbob

2014-07-21 23:54:00 UTC

Yeah I hear ya. Me too.

scamb66

2014-08-05 08:17:00 UTC

Yay you won an award

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/08/04/th ... s-of-2014/

dukepaul

2014-08-05 09:55:00 UTC

I agree with that

fatbob

2014-08-10 00:05:00 UTC

Just back from my first (very short) ride on the 1290, and as I said to my friends, I understand what all the hype is about. What a great if not incredible street bike. The huge v-twin might be the smoothest (fueling) motor I've ever ridden. Truly amazing. Maybe the best gearbox I've felt, and the WP suspension (for my weight) is equally good, if not great. Mirrors vibrate some but offer plenty of vision. Helmet wind blast almost nil at 65mph, I didn't feel much heat from the motor on this outing. Need to ride the Crest to get an even better feel for it but so far so great.

What a motor!

jmann

2014-08-11 23:22:00 UTC

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ebags

2014-08-12 01:06:00 UTC

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fatbob

2014-08-12 06:45:00 UTC

Well I think its running a 17 Inch front wheel , a lot more plastic and bigger tank so guessed

sexparty

2014-08-12 12:14:00 UTC

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NEO

2014-08-15 10:14:00 UTC

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Not a fan of the stickers.

NEO

2014-08-16 09:27:00 UTC

I just had an amazing trip in Europe this week.
I drove from Norway last saturday, and came home yesterday.
Went through Denmark, Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Italy. I drove some mountain passes in the Alps. The bike was awesome up theese passes!

sexparty

2014-08-16 09:52:00 UTC

Fantastic you lucky person

scamb66

2014-08-16 10:03:00 UTC

It was a fantastic trip. Next time i could use some company.. But it was fun to be on a roadtrip alone

scamb66

2014-08-16 10:32:00 UTC

Great pics

wilks

2014-08-17 03:31:00 UTC

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ktmguy

2014-08-17 06:55:00 UTC

Nice pics Olden, looks vaguely like a road we have here......

Lucky bastard

wilks

2014-08-17 12:37:00 UTC

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ferret990

2014-08-18 01:17:00 UTC

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Megatron09

2014-08-20 12:26:00 UTC

Awesome pics! I went to the Stelvio last year (R1) awesome roads!!!

ferret990

2014-09-01 00:23:00 UTC

Just did a Germany /Austria trip on the 1190 adventure was really pleased with how well the bike performs . Took it around the Nurburgring was a mad place .

Also did a KTM factory tour they had the 1290 super adventure there but would not let us view it . I look forward to this bike but in reality the current 1190 is a hell of a bike .

dukepaul

2014-09-01 00:26:00 UTC

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jmann

2014-09-01 00:41:00 UTC

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dukepaul

2014-09-01 04:34:00 UTC

Did you see anything in the factory that looked like an 1190/1290 SMT?
If they make one and it has the Adventure swingarm instead of the wobbly water cooled SSSA, count me in.

Stratkat

2014-09-03 17:51:00 UTC

hey anyone notice, the shifter is on the right side and the rear brake is on the left! why would they do that????

jambox

2014-09-03 17:53:00 UTC

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Megatron09

2014-09-03 19:43:00 UTC

LOL Really?? What can ya say ay........ You will have to buy the KTM Left handed tool kit to go with it.

Stratkat

2014-09-12 12:59:00 UTC

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Dolores

2014-11-11 15:59:00 UTC

Today I ordered the Bodis exhaust for my superduke

prikkie

2014-11-14 20:55:00 UTC

Did some photoshop with paint.
Your opinion? This is what my bike could be with prototype rims. Orange will be the same. Diificult to change with paint.

prikkie

2014-11-15 17:30:00 UTC

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prikkie

2014-11-15 21:05:00 UTC

You're gradually turning this black bike into the prototype.

scamb66

2014-11-15 23:28:00 UTC

This could be something

Dolores

2014-11-16 00:00:00 UTC

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2014-11-16 07:23:00 UTC

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