So guys, winter has arrived on our middle eastern shores.

It's not a frozen European winter, it rains of course from time to time and it gets to around 5-10 Celsius, depending where.

I have a RST sports winter gloves (Tractech WP) which is OK.. it's warm and I can still tell the difference between the clutch perch and the bar, gives ample waterproofing (though not 100% as it might get moist inside) and nice, if a bit basic protection.

I also have an Alpinestars S1 3\4 glove which is two years old and became a bit stiff. Or maybe I got so in love with the Held gloves I got with the Kangaroo palm that they feel stiff and shit in comparison.
Anyway, I used them as my sporty winter gloves as they somehow give nice insulation while maintaining tactility for the days that are not too cold.

I was thinking of replacing them with something that would be a bit more flexible and offer some rain protections as well, so I thought of the Held Air 'n Dry gloves.

Anyone used them? I thought they would be good for our winter as well but everywhere I read about them people consider them as a summer glove.. Wake up dudes, Summer is not 24 degrees and rain, it's 40 degrees and dry like grannies..
So, how would they be for what I've described as our winter? How insulating would they be against the cold? Do not (and would not) have heated grips.

How about Held's "Warm 'n dry"?
Any other suggestions for a daily and sporty use gloves for the winter? preferably full gauntlet.

I use the Held Warm-n-Dry. They work for me the couple months a year I use them. I haven't crashed a set, so I can't say how that works. If the other models of Held I have crashed are any kind of indicator, they are as good as gloves get in this regard.

Air-n-Dry are not really what I'd think of as a "winter" glove, even in SoCal.

I find it difficult to advise someone on gloves. Between fit, feel preferences, climate that a given rider chooses to expose themselves to, the bike and its accessories (faired, heated grips, etc.), and the differences all seem to have in terms of physiological responses to conditions, I find it impossible to suggest one thing over another.

Yeah, it's a lame response, but IMO you're on your own to some extent on this.

It's not lame, I quite agree with you with it being difficult to suggest on something like gloves, but still...

Those two months of use - what's it like? freezing sub 20f or just chilly 50f? Rains a lot?

As I said, I have the RST as my winter gloves for when it's really cold but I'm looking for something that might lower my use for the RST as I don't like 'em too much.

Visordown have reviewed some winter gloves http://www.visordown.com/product-featur ... 21734.html

Rukka Apollo, decent control and 100% weather proof. Carbon slider seems to be just in right place for protection.