After some thought i've ordered one of these.
I'll post up more info when it comes, then get the bike back on the dyno for setup and comparison against the pods.
I like the idea of it. One of the main draws is it is very light compared to other airboxes. And with the base being plastic it wont absorb as much heat as the metal boxes.
I was going to stay with my pod filters but i'm intrigued by all this talk about air flow around the velocity stacks. I'm not sure of the "still air" theory as the DNA 3 has a huge filter on the lid which draws air directly down. But the volume and space around the bottom of the stacks compared to the pods should help bring more torque as i plan to move to the RC8 stack or possibly MrZ's DVS at some point
On a personal note, it uses 3 stage foam filters rather than K&N and this is a big appeal for me. Also uses quick release D ring fasteners.
The guys there seem very helpfull and answered all my emails within a few hours with good detailed replies. The are even helping my out with a different base with out a breather hole cut out as i run a split catch tube/filter breather on my bike. Great customer service so far.
Viking
2012-02-11 10:02:00 UTC
Superdan
2012-02-11 10:07:00 UTC
Looks alright that its no MH box though, was just reading the other thread. Fairly cheap compared to MH or DNA then?
Viking
2012-02-11 10:25:00 UTC
Work out as £169.
The pods gave good gains and i want to stay with that kinda style. Moving to this will add that space under the lip of the stack to let them work properly and should add torque and few bhp.
TBH i think it should give the same gains as either Motohooligan or DNA. Plenty airflow there. We'll wait and see how it turns out.
With the gains the pods gave i'm not convinced the LC8 needs a hard top cover. The DNA 3 confirms this too with the filter on top, and Tripoddaves modified Battle type standard box gave good gains. Even his open port dyno results were impressive.
I think this box should work well with it having plenty filter area and air coming from everywhere but with the bonus of room under the stacks for the air to flow up and tumble into the throttle bodies.
We'll see how it goes. Well worth a punt for that price
The pods gave good gains and i want to stay with that kinda style. Moving to this will add that space under the lip of the stack to let them work properly and should add torque and few bhp.
TBH i think it should give the same gains as either Motohooligan or DNA. Plenty airflow there. We'll wait and see how it turns out.
With the gains the pods gave i'm not convinced the LC8 needs a hard top cover. The DNA 3 confirms this too with the filter on top, and Tripoddaves modified Battle type standard box gave good gains. Even his open port dyno results were impressive.
I think this box should work well with it having plenty filter area and air coming from everywhere but with the bonus of room under the stacks for the air to flow up and tumble into the throttle bodies.
We'll see how it goes. Well worth a punt for that price
BASH69
2012-02-11 11:31:00 UTC
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Viking
2012-02-11 11:57:00 UTC
Hmmm. Public board n all.
It's possibly potentially been suggested there will be no customs charges. Obviously this can change with UK customs being the toss pots they are.
All is maybe allegedly possibly being done to prevent it though. Like I say, very good service so far from the guys.
Bought it at 1am so was half sleeping. Your right mate. Just checked PayPal. It's 193 was with 37quid shipping ontop. So £230 all in.
I know the guys are heading back to the dyno soon so hopefully they'll join up and post some runs. Only thing that may hold it back is the poor US fuel. I see SDNerd, DrSwade and GoGo all showed pretty low dyno readings. GoGos SDR was dynod at 120 even with the custom ram air box they built. It'll all be relative with befores and afters back to back on the same dyno though.
It's possibly potentially been suggested there will be no customs charges. Obviously this can change with UK customs being the toss pots they are.
All is maybe allegedly possibly being done to prevent it though. Like I say, very good service so far from the guys.
Bought it at 1am so was half sleeping. Your right mate. Just checked PayPal. It's 193 was with 37quid shipping ontop. So £230 all in.
I know the guys are heading back to the dyno soon so hopefully they'll join up and post some runs. Only thing that may hold it back is the poor US fuel. I see SDNerd, DrSwade and GoGo all showed pretty low dyno readings. GoGos SDR was dynod at 120 even with the custom ram air box they built. It'll all be relative with befores and afters back to back on the same dyno though.
Exitman
2012-02-11 15:27:00 UTC
I really like the look of this. Looking forward to seeing the results.
nampus
2012-02-11 15:42:00 UTC
Nice to see someone going for a new product, looking forward to seeing the results!
Nice quote from the cpr website:
The downsides of running the Rottweiler Intake System:
Tickets
Losing your passenger upon acceleration
Neighbors complaining about your new dog
Tickets
Nice quote from the cpr website:
The downsides of running the Rottweiler Intake System:
Tickets
Losing your passenger upon acceleration
Neighbors complaining about your new dog
Tickets
jambox
2012-02-11 17:01:00 UTC
I did look at this in the other thread and thought that this might be the one to move me away from the std airbox (using a DNA panel). But wasn't gonna order til later on in the year as my bike is stored 50 mile away for the winter.
Looking forward to see what the results are like.
Looking forward to see what the results are like.
nitrogeoff
2012-02-11 23:32:00 UTC
looks like a great intake for the money. please fill us in about it when you get it installed and tested. might have to get one myself
Lowrance
2012-02-14 04:02:00 UTC
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Crotchrockety
2012-02-14 04:11:00 UTC
Pretty much what I expected. ditch the stock airbox and pick up 7-9hp. Bike should feel a lot smoother as well.
Question, where is the crank case breather routed?
Question, where is the crank case breather routed?
Viking
2012-02-14 04:18:00 UTC
Chris:
What is the efficiency of your filter compared to say, a K&N filter? http://www.knfilters.com/efficiency_testing.htm I've been on the fence for some time about getting a new air box. One of the things that has kept me from biting the bullet is the fact that I live in a very dusty environment, and don't want to suck that crap into my engine. TIA.
Mike
What is the efficiency of your filter compared to say, a K&N filter? http://www.knfilters.com/efficiency_testing.htm I've been on the fence for some time about getting a new air box. One of the things that has kept me from biting the bullet is the fact that I live in a very dusty environment, and don't want to suck that crap into my engine. TIA.
Mike
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2012-02-14 04:46:00 UTC
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2012-02-14 05:47:00 UTC
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BASH69
2012-02-24 18:44:00 UTC
Airbox arrived today. Superb service from the guys. 10days door to door inc a weekend.
Very happy with it all so far. Good finish. The cage inside the box is substantial and there's no way it'll bend or flex.
I still have to spray a light mist of oil on the filter.
I'll give it a run tomorrow. My opinion wont mean anything though as i've not ridden the bike since october and it has the RC8 stacks on now too. I'll book the dyno next week and get a few runs.
Some pics.
Just out the box. (this base is a development one off with no breather hole)
Base plate fitted with short RC8 stacks. Air temp sensor is nice and tidy.
Top on. Good secure clip on one side with D link Dzus clips. Foam all round the edge fits nice and snug.
Underside of air temp sensor
Very happy with it all so far. Good finish. The cage inside the box is substantial and there's no way it'll bend or flex.
I still have to spray a light mist of oil on the filter.
I'll give it a run tomorrow. My opinion wont mean anything though as i've not ridden the bike since october and it has the RC8 stacks on now too. I'll book the dyno next week and get a few runs.
Some pics.
Just out the box. (this base is a development one off with no breather hole)
Base plate fitted with short RC8 stacks. Air temp sensor is nice and tidy.
Top on. Good secure clip on one side with D link Dzus clips. Foam all round the edge fits nice and snug.
Underside of air temp sensor
Viking
2012-02-24 19:53:00 UTC
Interesting, and excellent results. Nice torque punch at the bottom.
Not generally a fan of foam filters for road applications, but acknowledged as best for capturing (and able to flow when loaded) the finest particulate (usually silt).
Reading the dyno chart notes: it states that the only other mod is the secondary flies removed. There was no remap of any kind? Which KTM map are you using? Really - stock exhaust?
BTW - did you learn if Mach One is able to map using using TuneEcu?
EDIT: OK - to most a stupid question: How much louder is it both at idle and WFO?
Not generally a fan of foam filters for road applications, but acknowledged as best for capturing (and able to flow when loaded) the finest particulate (usually silt).
Reading the dyno chart notes: it states that the only other mod is the secondary flies removed. There was no remap of any kind? Which KTM map are you using? Really - stock exhaust?
BTW - did you learn if Mach One is able to map using using TuneEcu?
EDIT: OK - to most a stupid question: How much louder is it both at idle and WFO?
TLS_Russ
2012-02-24 20:39:00 UTC
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kowekiller
2012-02-24 20:51:00 UTC
I cant really say reg noise dude as i had the pod filters before. I'll try it tomorrow and post up.
The dyno i use isn't one of the spectular over corrected ones you see on here sometimes. It's pretty conservative and reads about true IMO. Eg, std bikes running at 103-106 rwbhp.
I'll be sure to post up the results. It'll be a few weeks though as its a 3 hour round trip plus the dyno time so i need to set aside a full day off.
For the dyno the full engine spec is..........
2005 SD (9500miles)
Rottweiler Airbox
Shell V power Super unleaded fuel
SAS removed
Basic breather mod with catch tube and filter
Flies and shafts removed
RC8 short stacks
Leo Vince silencers and Y piece with baffles removed. (repacked with Acoustafil matting)
Ackra base ecu map KM610AK050E002 (no O2, no baffles) (tweaked slightly with Tune ECU to 1850rpm idle and 9950rpm limiter)
PC3 for dyno tuning
So TBH, all pretty standard basic easy to do mods. Engine's never been split.
The dyno i use isn't one of the spectular over corrected ones you see on here sometimes. It's pretty conservative and reads about true IMO. Eg, std bikes running at 103-106 rwbhp.
I'll be sure to post up the results. It'll be a few weeks though as its a 3 hour round trip plus the dyno time so i need to set aside a full day off.
For the dyno the full engine spec is..........
2005 SD (9500miles)
Rottweiler Airbox
Shell V power Super unleaded fuel
SAS removed
Basic breather mod with catch tube and filter
Flies and shafts removed
RC8 short stacks
Leo Vince silencers and Y piece with baffles removed. (repacked with Acoustafil matting)
Ackra base ecu map KM610AK050E002 (no O2, no baffles) (tweaked slightly with Tune ECU to 1850rpm idle and 9950rpm limiter)
PC3 for dyno tuning
So TBH, all pretty standard basic easy to do mods. Engine's never been split.
BASH69
2012-02-24 22:38:00 UTC
How did you get on with customs dude?
Also on another note, when you did you samscos did you or have you already upgraded your waterpump bearing for reliability?
Also on another note, when you did you samscos did you or have you already upgraded your waterpump bearing for reliability?
jambox
2012-02-24 22:53:00 UTC
It slipped through customs......but thats the way it seem to be sometimes. Even the Nichols triple with $400 on the label passed through with no charges, yet my used $90 clutch master cylinder from a breakers in Texas got humped with a £30 fee. Seems hit or miss with these guys.
Not touched the water pump. Only bought the hoses coz i got them for £40 delivered and the standard ones were a bit soft, especially the long one that goes across the centre of the motor. There's an orange set on eBay just now.
Not touched the water pump. Only bought the hoses coz i got them for £40 delivered and the standard ones were a bit soft, especially the long one that goes across the centre of the motor. There's an orange set on eBay just now.
BASH69
2012-02-25 13:15:00 UTC
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2012-02-25 14:52:00 UTC
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AndersH
2012-02-25 15:10:00 UTC
I am buying one of these, when I have the money. Looks a lot like the one I allready have, but mine is homemade and the CPR Rottweiler looks a lot better, and more sturdy.
Just hope it wont get caught in customs.. that will double the price here in DK.. stupid rules heh
btw. i sent an email answer 2 or 3 weeks ago. It was answered within a couple of hours.. on a saturday!
Just hope it wont get caught in customs.. that will double the price here in DK.. stupid rules heh
btw. i sent an email answer 2 or 3 weeks ago. It was answered within a couple of hours.. on a saturday!
BASH69
2012-02-25 20:46:00 UTC
Ive just ordered mine, Chris answered all my emails really quickly
Colonel_Klinck
2012-02-25 22:12:00 UTC
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2012-02-25 22:27:00 UTC
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2012-02-25 22:34:00 UTC
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2012-02-26 13:49:00 UTC
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Viking
2012-02-27 11:22:00 UTC
Dyno booked for next Monday.
Viking
2012-02-29 12:16:00 UTC
Be interesting to see the gains between this and a motobox
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2012-03-03 06:46:00 UTC
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nampus
2012-03-05 13:22:00 UTC
DYNO SESSION DONE AND DUSTED.
PRESS PLAY AND SCROLL DOWN
PRESS PLAY AND SCROLL DOWN
Viking
2012-03-05 15:02:00 UTC
lookin' good! (and funny post )
KTM666
2012-03-05 16:36:00 UTC
Very nice result Viking!
tripoddave
2012-03-05 16:41:00 UTC
Very impressed with the Rottweiler box.
Quality build, well priced, and i was a bit dubious but there we have it, gives good gains.
As time rolls on i'm sure guys will run back to backs at some point to compare it with Motobox and DNA. The way i see it persoanlly is it's right up there with DNA3 for less than 1/2 the money.
Quality build, well priced, and i was a bit dubious but there we have it, gives good gains.
As time rolls on i'm sure guys will run back to backs at some point to compare it with Motobox and DNA. The way i see it persoanlly is it's right up there with DNA3 for less than 1/2 the money.
Viking
2012-03-05 17:25:00 UTC
Great results ...you will notice the difference for sure
jambox
2012-03-05 18:04:00 UTC
Fantastic!
That's about as good as it gets IMO.
Near as dammit 125bhp at the rear wheel without opening the motor.
That thing is going to motor.
That's about as good as it gets IMO.
Near as dammit 125bhp at the rear wheel without opening the motor.
That thing is going to motor.
Viking
2012-03-05 19:00:00 UTC
I like it how it feels like I'm getting praised for this when all I did was bolt on Chris's airbox and throw it on a dyno.
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2012-03-05 19:06:00 UTC
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Colonel_Klinck
2012-03-05 19:31:00 UTC
Hahaha! Love it. Spoken like a true Scotsman.
Viking
2012-03-05 21:21:00 UTC
Very nice, looks as good as it goes now!
kowekiller
2012-03-05 22:21:00 UTC
Nice dude. Just need spring and dry tarmac to arrive now.
Doon
2012-03-08 07:34:00 UTC
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Viking
2012-03-08 08:12:00 UTC
Yes.
Pods on with a motohooligan PC3 map from here as a base and it ran 113
Remapped for pods and ran 117.
Easiest way to track it is.........everything from standard to pods was logged in the "Airbox mods, now pod filters thread"
Then all I've done is twist off std stacks with pods on and fit Rottweiler box and short stacks then remapped to suit.
Pods on with a motohooligan PC3 map from here as a base and it ran 113
Remapped for pods and ran 117.
Easiest way to track it is.........everything from standard to pods was logged in the "Airbox mods, now pod filters thread"
Then all I've done is twist off std stacks with pods on and fit Rottweiler box and short stacks then remapped to suit.
Linga
2012-03-08 09:15:00 UTC
Can't wait to see your weopon in action mate
Viking
2012-03-08 10:21:00 UTC
He's back! Been meaning to shoot you a mail for a catch up big guy.
I'll give you a shout later.
I'll give you a shout later.
Doon
2012-03-08 19:46:00 UTC
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2012-03-08 22:11:00 UTC
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Viking
2012-03-08 23:06:00 UTC
Stew, dunno if this would work out..................just thinking out loud.............but Dave's spending alot of time on the dyno when his motors finished. Might be worth nipping by with your Rottie box while he's got the tank up and down and doing a quick power run. He's got the DNA3 so it would be a good comparison.
I think Highscore is planning on doing some work with this airbox so i'll be interested in seeing his results.
TBH i see this as the box to have. I'm sure it's an improvement over MH, and i fully expect it can match DNA3 for airflow as it's just a huge foam filter. So if it comes close to DNA3.......and is 1/3 of the price and a fair bit lighter.............win.
I think Highscore is planning on doing some work with this airbox so i'll be interested in seeing his results.
TBH i see this as the box to have. I'm sure it's an improvement over MH, and i fully expect it can match DNA3 for airflow as it's just a huge foam filter. So if it comes close to DNA3.......and is 1/3 of the price and a fair bit lighter.............win.
TLS_Russ
2012-03-09 04:54:00 UTC
My money's on there being nothing in it between the CPR and the DNA Mk3, A through the gear run might even see the CPR beat the DNA by a couple of BHP
Hitmike
2012-03-09 07:12:00 UTC
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thriller954
2012-03-09 15:31:00 UTC
Just placed my order. Great customer service, asked Chris a question and he got back to me in minutes. Apparently there is quite a waiting list building...
BASH69
2012-03-09 15:36:00 UTC
How well protected is the intake from water while riding in the rain? Is the MH box any better in terms of sealing out moisture?
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2012-03-09 18:15:00 UTC
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Exitman
2012-03-09 19:51:00 UTC
Are CPR and ITG the same company as there airbox/filters look exactly the same, but for the name?
http://www.itgairfilters.com/content2.a ... n=megaflow
heres a side veiw of one on a tl1000s,
http://www.utvunderground.com/f41/compl ... -3304.html
http://www.itgairfilters.com/content2.a ... n=megaflow
heres a side veiw of one on a tl1000s,
http://www.utvunderground.com/f41/compl ... -3304.html
Viking
2012-03-09 20:31:00 UTC
Just ordered mine and will book the dyne. I'll post results from my SDR as soon as it's done.
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2012-03-09 22:20:00 UTC
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2012-03-09 22:23:00 UTC
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Doon
2012-03-09 22:27:00 UTC
Uh oh...
BASH69
2012-03-09 23:36:00 UTC
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KTM666
2012-03-10 02:09:00 UTC
We have a private label agreement with them to produce our own line of filters. We have become very familiar with the quality of this company through our previous years building various race cars and chose them to help us with our filtering needs and requirements. This is an established design that has proven itself over and over due to top notch quality and we have worked with them to design what we need for our system. Starting with an air filter type that was already well established was where we wanted to begin and we took the design further from there. We looked into making them orange as well but that was much too expensive and didn't want to pass that on to the customer just for a color.
Viking
2012-03-10 08:42:00 UTC
This crowd here makes ITG filters and Blank base plates http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/ITG-A ... index.html
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2012-03-10 10:10:00 UTC
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BASH69
2012-03-11 07:37:00 UTC
...Viking....there is somebody impersonating you in 'Fast Bikes' This month...you need to be aware....rumour has it they are on 'Grand Designs' next week with a Swiss Chalet based project
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2012-03-17 09:16:00 UTC
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Viking
2012-03-17 09:24:00 UTC
7 working days is what it seems to take from the last 5 or 6 items I've ordered from the states.
The CPR took 5 from the day I got Chris's dispatch confirmation.
The CPR took 5 from the day I got Chris's dispatch confirmation.
BASH69
2012-03-17 09:43:00 UTC
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CEREC1
2012-03-19 20:51:00 UTC
So any idea of total cost after customs add their cut?
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2012-03-19 21:08:00 UTC
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2012-03-19 21:22:00 UTC
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Colonel_Klinck
2012-03-19 22:23:00 UTC
Custom charges are one thing. its' the fooking Post Office chucking another load on top as an "administration fee" that gives me the hump. Cheeky cnuts!
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2012-03-19 22:50:00 UTC
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BASH69
2012-03-19 23:02:00 UTC
the last couple of items I got from uncle sam i asked if they could mark the parcel as only costing 40-50 bucks, they obliged and it saved me a lot of money, it seems to take anything from the states around 2 weaks from purchase to arrive in my local post office.
BASH69
2012-03-21 16:32:00 UTC
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CEREC1
2012-03-21 16:37:00 UTC
On a positive note i now have the filter and it is a nice bit of kit as Viking stated.
Well made base plate, weighs nowt, strong enough cage inside the filter, fits in 2 mins if you already have the original airbox off. Just cant wait to get it running now and hear and see the diffrence on the dyno.
RC8 inlets are abit tight to get on but the buggers will fit with a little help from some grease.
All good in da hood!
Stew
Well made base plate, weighs nowt, strong enough cage inside the filter, fits in 2 mins if you already have the original airbox off. Just cant wait to get it running now and hear and see the diffrence on the dyno.
RC8 inlets are abit tight to get on but the buggers will fit with a little help from some grease.
All good in da hood!
Stew
jambox
2012-03-21 20:32:00 UTC
I had to shave a bit of mine bash and it was more of the little ramp than the blob/ end catch
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2012-03-21 20:36:00 UTC
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2012-03-21 21:06:00 UTC
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2012-03-21 21:31:00 UTC
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jambox
2012-03-21 21:54:00 UTC
Nice one Stew. Powder coater rang me today and said everything is going to be ready for Monday. So that's only (he says he works a 6 day week) 21 working days to do it all
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2012-03-21 21:59:00 UTC
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2012-03-21 22:02:00 UTC
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2012-03-21 22:07:00 UTC
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2012-03-21 22:12:00 UTC
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BASH69
2012-03-27 18:03:00 UTC
Air filter fitted and all set up on the Dyno by Kev @ ProjexUK.
This was the last set up Kev did for me, Akro silencers, modified standard air box (panel filter laid into top of airbox lid), 2ndry flies removed but shafts left in place, tuned with PC3 -
And this is todays set up, Akro silencers, CRG air filter, 2ndry flies and shafts removed, seperate engine breather, cooler iridium plugs, raised rev limit, RC8 inlets, TuneECU tuned including modified timing (but still running 95Ron fuel)
So a successful couple of hours on the dyno, 111HP up to 120HP and a couple more Torques. Hardly bragging figures but then Kevs dyno tends to read approx 7% lower than a Dynojet dyno so that puts the bike around 127-128HP
This was the last set up Kev did for me, Akro silencers, modified standard air box (panel filter laid into top of airbox lid), 2ndry flies removed but shafts left in place, tuned with PC3 -
And this is todays set up, Akro silencers, CRG air filter, 2ndry flies and shafts removed, seperate engine breather, cooler iridium plugs, raised rev limit, RC8 inlets, TuneECU tuned including modified timing (but still running 95Ron fuel)
So a successful couple of hours on the dyno, 111HP up to 120HP and a couple more Torques. Hardly bragging figures but then Kevs dyno tends to read approx 7% lower than a Dynojet dyno so that puts the bike around 127-128HP
tripoddave
2012-03-28 10:36:00 UTC
So all you've done is shafts out, breather filter, swapped plugs , and rc8 stacks with the airbox and gained 10bhp. All very cheap hp, even with the CPR airbox being the biggest expense.
Anata
2012-03-28 11:24:00 UTC
I think it has more to do with the way Kevs software plots it that actual real life as if you watch the actual A/F dial on the main screen its within range everywhere. Also i have the origianl dyno runs from 2007/8 when the bike was absolute stock except for akro silencers and KTM mapping and the A/F curve is exactly the same sort of dip/troughs look
The dip at 6-7K is the RC8 inlets (as proved on back to back tests on the dyno) but they do give a 1HP increase top end and improve the SNAP of the throttle higher up the range so its a slight trade off).
Whatever the reason for the messy A/F curve, Kevs been setting my bikes up for a while now and having had the engine apart over winter the all the internals/bores/valves etc are absolutly perfect so i have no reason to doubt him.
I do no that he runs the top end slightly richer for cooling, he increases the fuel till its starts to lose power then goes backwards to the best compromise.
The dip at 6-7K is the RC8 inlets (as proved on back to back tests on the dyno) but they do give a 1HP increase top end and improve the SNAP of the throttle higher up the range so its a slight trade off).
Whatever the reason for the messy A/F curve, Kevs been setting my bikes up for a while now and having had the engine apart over winter the all the internals/bores/valves etc are absolutly perfect so i have no reason to doubt him.
I do no that he runs the top end slightly richer for cooling, he increases the fuel till its starts to lose power then goes backwards to the best compromise.
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2012-03-28 13:37:00 UTC
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Colonel_Klinck
2012-03-28 18:14:00 UTC
Has he backed off the advance a bit then Stew?
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2012-03-28 19:40:00 UTC
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2012-03-28 20:07:00 UTC
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speedmotorrad
2012-04-11 20:38:00 UTC
Just ordered the Rottweiler system today. Made a post on the TuneECU thread looking for a map for my specific set up, if anyone has some input it would be much appreciated!
2008 US spec Super Duke
SAS removed
2nd throttle motor, TPS, throttle plates & shafts removed
Rottweiler Air Intake System
FMF Apex Slip ons
O2 sensor eliminators
2008 US spec Super Duke
SAS removed
2nd throttle motor, TPS, throttle plates & shafts removed
Rottweiler Air Intake System
FMF Apex Slip ons
O2 sensor eliminators
Doon
2012-04-14 05:10:00 UTC
Anyone got the dimensions of the CPR Rottweiler base plate and filter as Im thinking of trying the ITG blank plate and filter?
Thanks
Thanks
lawman
2012-04-14 11:33:00 UTC
JC30/65 is the filter (£52+vat), base plate to suit from the merlin motorsport site.
Viking
2012-04-14 11:57:00 UTC
You guys who are making one yourselfs. Can you post up links, pics etc as you go. I'm interested to see what you come up with to make the internal cage and mounting clip etc. Or are you planning on securing it with 4x dzus instead?
lawman
2012-04-14 15:44:00 UTC
The filter comes with the cage, it is the same filter as far as I am aware.
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2012-04-14 21:47:00 UTC
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Colonel_Klinck
2012-04-15 00:58:00 UTC
We have all the dimensions here at CPR Fab. The CAD layouts that we spent hours refining, the machining processes we have tweaked over and over, the materials used etc. Feel free to give us a call and we will share them directly with you. (Not really) The filter is a private label size and foam type for our application. Depending on how much you are willing to spend in research you can probably have the same thing done.
Respectfully,
Chris Parker
CPR Fabrications
Respectfully,
Chris Parker
CPR Fabrications
KTM666
2012-04-15 06:44:00 UTC
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2012-04-15 06:48:00 UTC
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2012-04-15 08:50:00 UTC
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ktmguy
2012-04-15 10:00:00 UTC
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Colonel_Klinck
2012-04-15 10:41:00 UTC
If you want to make something yourself that is fine, just don't copy other people's effort.
All the information you need is under your tank, lift it up and start there.
All the information you need is under your tank, lift it up and start there.
Exitman
2012-04-15 10:59:00 UTC
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MrZ32
2012-04-15 22:00:00 UTC
Just been installing mine and hve found a problem. The pre drilled holes for the air temp sensor position it too close to the fuel line such that it won't fit! Not too happy about that.
Exitman
2012-04-15 23:19:00 UTC
are you sure the base plate is around the correct way. I.e. Flipped and rotated?
TLS_Russ
2012-04-15 23:33:00 UTC
Pretty sure. I did try flipping and rotating it but there's no space on the other side either.
PowerCell
2012-04-16 00:41:00 UTC
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2012-04-16 01:33:00 UTC
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DribbleDuke
2012-04-16 03:08:00 UTC
Thanks for that Power cell,
All as I was going to do is buy some parts off the shelf
All as I was going to do is buy some parts off the shelf
KTM666
2012-04-16 05:33:00 UTC
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2012-04-16 10:31:00 UTC
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Exitman
2012-04-16 11:43:00 UTC
Thanks for the detailed reply Chris. I've fOllowed these exact instructions and . Everything seems perfect, except the female connector for the temp sensor which definitely hits the metal part of the fuel line. I'll try to take pictures this eve to sen out to you.
Exitman
2012-04-16 14:01:00 UTC
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Doon
2012-04-16 14:43:00 UTC
Thanks Chris - your help is much appreciated. I'll take a close look at the fuel rail this eve. Don't think it's bent but it could be rotated on it's mount (perhaps). And thank you for sending out a new base plate. Can't wait to have it all together - hard work is done so the rest should be cake.
speedmotorrad
2012-04-16 20:00:00 UTC
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jambox
2012-04-25 16:05:00 UTC
Ok, I got the CPR Rottweiler box installed last night, quality product and installation was very straightforward. I also removed the secondary butterflies and shafts, and removed the SAS system and installed blockoff plates at the same time. I already had O2 eliminators in place, along with FMF Apex cans, on a 08 US standard Superduke.
I tried three different maps posted on the Hex map thread, all provided great power but were very jerky at low rpm, and the on/off throttle snatchiness was far worse than before the mods. I was previously running it on a factory Akra map, with O2 eliminators but everything else in place, which made for a fairly smooth setup.
Any ideas or recommendations for a map that might help smooth out the bottom end stumbling and jerkiness, while providing enough fuel to run strong at mid and top end? There are a ton of maps available tailored to specific exhaust systems, but I'm more concerned with finding one for a high airflow intake system, I think any exhaust without baffles will be similar to my Apex.
Again my set up...08 US Superduke, CPR Rottweiler Intake, FMF Apex exhaust, secondary butterflies and shafts removed, SAS removed, O2 eliminators.
Thanks for any help you can offer!
I tried three different maps posted on the Hex map thread, all provided great power but were very jerky at low rpm, and the on/off throttle snatchiness was far worse than before the mods. I was previously running it on a factory Akra map, with O2 eliminators but everything else in place, which made for a fairly smooth setup.
Any ideas or recommendations for a map that might help smooth out the bottom end stumbling and jerkiness, while providing enough fuel to run strong at mid and top end? There are a ton of maps available tailored to specific exhaust systems, but I'm more concerned with finding one for a high airflow intake system, I think any exhaust without baffles will be similar to my Apex.
Again my set up...08 US Superduke, CPR Rottweiler Intake, FMF Apex exhaust, secondary butterflies and shafts removed, SAS removed, O2 eliminators.
Thanks for any help you can offer!
speedmotorrad
2012-04-27 21:45:00 UTC
Just found this......
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2012-04-28 09:07:00 UTC
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2012-04-28 13:05:00 UTC
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speedmotorrad
2012-04-30 15:49:00 UTC
Update on my situation...tried to combine the PCIII map 08 U.S. Standard SD motobox, SAS removed, secondary flies removed, FMF Apex cans, O2 eliminators, No DB https://files.me.com/craig.wiltshire/cdnyka , with the stock Akra map, but found it wasn't really for a 08 model, or at least the map info says 05-06 and it made the check engine light stay on with a purge valve fault when loaded.
Gave up on that map and went with this one that had performed the best out of the several I tried, 08 SD james' map for grim and motobox modified from rallsy's info.hex https://files.me.com/craig.wiltshire/3km6wu , then loaded the F-L values from this smoothened map to it, 08-10 US SDR Akra Smoothened https://files.me.com/craig.wiltshire/gwxqx0 . Fairly pleased with the results, was a cold wet day so I only got in a short test ride, but it seemed much smoother and less jerky down low, while retaining the strong mid and high end.
Gave up on that map and went with this one that had performed the best out of the several I tried, 08 SD james' map for grim and motobox modified from rallsy's info.hex https://files.me.com/craig.wiltshire/3km6wu , then loaded the F-L values from this smoothened map to it, 08-10 US SDR Akra Smoothened https://files.me.com/craig.wiltshire/gwxqx0 . Fairly pleased with the results, was a cold wet day so I only got in a short test ride, but it seemed much smoother and less jerky down low, while retaining the strong mid and high end.
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2012-04-30 18:53:00 UTC
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speedmotorrad
2012-04-30 19:26:00 UTC
Guys. Why don't you get your bike mapped? Then you have the ideal fuelling suited perfectly for your bike.
None of these maps will be ideal, especially Motobox maps.
None of these maps will be ideal, especially Motobox maps.
Lowrance
2012-04-30 20:52:00 UTC
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2012-04-30 21:02:00 UTC
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2012-05-01 00:13:00 UTC
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Exitman
2012-05-01 00:36:00 UTC
Considering that TuneECU is free and does everything a powercommander does with even greater control and no splicing of wiring harnesses, not sure why I'd want to do that?
jambox
2012-05-24 13:51:00 UTC
Having my SD for only a month, this thread is being great since i do know what mods i want but unsure of what box to use. I am also struggling with a thrust worthy shop. There is one in my area but when i visited them i felt like i would be their first SD.
THANK YOU GUYS, THIS BOARD ROCKS.
THANK YOU GUYS, THIS BOARD ROCKS.
jambox
2012-05-24 16:43:00 UTC
I am seriously considering buying this intake (which I can't afford), but I know that I'll end up with either this box or the MH sooner or later, so I'm thinking that I'd probably want to change all the intake related stuff at the same time - removal of flies & shafts, RC8 stacks, and either this airbox or MH.
What I'd like to avoid due to cost, is dyno tuning. It could happen in the future, but initially I'd be stuck playing with my PCIII or tune ECU. CPR indicates that they have maps for their box for a standard 2008 SD - yet no one (that I found) has commented on them. Is the CPR map not a good starting point??
I bought Leovince carbon slip ons (which I couldn't afford either), but don't want to spend too much time screwing around with mapping them when I'm likely going to end up doing the intake as well.
What I'd like to avoid due to cost, is dyno tuning. It could happen in the future, but initially I'd be stuck playing with my PCIII or tune ECU. CPR indicates that they have maps for their box for a standard 2008 SD - yet no one (that I found) has commented on them. Is the CPR map not a good starting point??
I bought Leovince carbon slip ons (which I couldn't afford either), but don't want to spend too much time screwing around with mapping them when I'm likely going to end up doing the intake as well.
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2012-05-24 17:33:00 UTC
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2012-05-24 21:38:00 UTC
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2012-05-24 21:48:00 UTC
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Bert
2012-05-25 01:26:00 UTC
Thank you,
I've referred to both those threads exclusively, but will take more care going through them again in case I skipped something. I didn't see one map that refers to the Rottweier intake, and I haven't found a way to find descriptions for all the hex maps posted on the tune ecu site.
I do have a question that I haven't found an answer to - how do I subscribe to a thread? This forum layout/tools are different than what I'm used to (and I'm old as well...)
Cheers!
I've referred to both those threads exclusively, but will take more care going through them again in case I skipped something. I didn't see one map that refers to the Rottweier intake, and I haven't found a way to find descriptions for all the hex maps posted on the tune ecu site.
I do have a question that I haven't found an answer to - how do I subscribe to a thread? This forum layout/tools are different than what I'm used to (and I'm old as well...)
Cheers!
Hitmike
2012-05-27 01:08:00 UTC
Just installed this today after some struggle and personal stupidity got the beast running again.....so yeah i did the sas at the same time and when installing the crankcase breather tube and ball valve thingy I accidently installed it upside down...yeah went for a spin and 5 mins later I got oil spewing out the side of the beast all over my left leg and side of the bike. This is when the oh shit what the fook have you done moment took place. I limp/push the beast home and fix that damn crank case valve install it in proper direction and start the bike she lives but still spewing oil....after about and hour of inspection I find the head gasket on the font cylinder has pushed out that flappy part of the gasket. I am to assume this was a function of the design pressure gets to high in the crank it blows those flaps out on the side of the cylinder and spews oil. So remove all the panel and radiator pull the top of the head off and reset the gasket praying it works....upon assembly I pray to the moto gods and she fires up and no spewing oil...thank god so the bike is back in once piece and running.
Now for my question...I am running yosh exhaust with rottweiler air intake and sas removed..ktm akra map...i find the new air intake system is great sound is incredible...i can feel it stronger down low and smoother and definately slightly more power in the top end...BUT i have noticed a hesitation or flat spot about 4500rpm ish seems the midrange goes flat/has dropped off a bit, anybody else expierance this? I am going to get tune ecu eventually but was wondering if this is a common problem or just for my bike..anybody have any ideas????
Now for my question...I am running yosh exhaust with rottweiler air intake and sas removed..ktm akra map...i find the new air intake system is great sound is incredible...i can feel it stronger down low and smoother and definately slightly more power in the top end...BUT i have noticed a hesitation or flat spot about 4500rpm ish seems the midrange goes flat/has dropped off a bit, anybody else expierance this? I am going to get tune ecu eventually but was wondering if this is a common problem or just for my bike..anybody have any ideas????
Keenaz
2012-05-27 05:33:00 UTC
It needs mapping.....mixture will be miles out ....you are allowing the motor to breath more air....so it will be runninig weak...unless you had KTM Akraprovic map in...in which case it will be less rich than it was.....(it runs very rich)
Lowrance
2012-06-01 21:37:00 UTC
My Rottweiller, RC8 stacks, and tune ecu cable just arrived (all through Chris!). I can't say enough good things about the customer service - it's been outstanding so far!
I've got a PCIII on the bike now, and a shiny new tuneEcu cable, and am going to try to find the time to get it all installed this weekend. Secondaries will be removed while I've got the throttle bodies off.
So, I'm gonna have a:
2007 SuperDuke with:
LeoVince slip ons,
Rottweiler intake,
RC8 stacks, with the secondaries removed.
PCIII is on the bike, and might remain on in order to allow the local dyno guys to fine tune it (who won't touch TuneEcu), however, I'd be fine reflashing the ECU with a close map and using the PCIII for the fine tuning.
I know there are similar setups out there - can anyone point me at or provide me with a map? I could use either tuneecu/hex or PCIII (or both)...
Many thanks!
Jeff
I've got a PCIII on the bike now, and a shiny new tuneEcu cable, and am going to try to find the time to get it all installed this weekend. Secondaries will be removed while I've got the throttle bodies off.
So, I'm gonna have a:
2007 SuperDuke with:
LeoVince slip ons,
Rottweiler intake,
RC8 stacks, with the secondaries removed.
PCIII is on the bike, and might remain on in order to allow the local dyno guys to fine tune it (who won't touch TuneEcu), however, I'd be fine reflashing the ECU with a close map and using the PCIII for the fine tuning.
I know there are similar setups out there - can anyone point me at or provide me with a map? I could use either tuneecu/hex or PCIII (or both)...
Many thanks!
Jeff
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2012-06-03 22:52:00 UTC
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Nathan990
2012-06-04 04:26:00 UTC
I have a pcv 5 map you can try,I modified it from a custom map with auto tune..
I have the same setup but not CPR foam filter but a different brand. Just different writing on it
PM me if you are interested.
I have the same setup but not CPR foam filter but a different brand. Just different writing on it
PM me if you are interested.
Nathan990
2012-06-25 15:06:00 UTC
I am probably going to buy an air box, probably this one. Since ill have the engine exposed i want to get all my mods done at once. I have no idea what this is. Could anyone please enlighten me.
Keenaz
2012-06-25 16:37:00 UTC
Remove sas, remove secondary butterflies and shafts, you could try rc8 stacks. Maybe the breather modification.
ktmguy
2012-06-25 17:04:00 UTC
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2012-06-25 17:29:00 UTC
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2013-05-08 14:39:00 UTC
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2013-05-08 17:08:00 UTC
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ktmguy
2013-05-08 20:41:00 UTC
Thanks. Then I'll think I'll manage.
Have both plates don't remember which is which. Bit I do like the routing of the hos and temp sensor on the one I'm using now.
/Matt
Have both plates don't remember which is which. Bit I do like the routing of the hos and temp sensor on the one I'm using now.
/Matt
fazer_1000
2013-05-08 22:51:00 UTC
I had old and new plate, always fitted fine.
Only reason CPR replaced the plate was that some of the earlier ones developed cracks in the material.
They use another material now and improved the design in the process following feedback from users.
As mentioned the plate is replaced free of charges exept some freight I believe. Get in contact with them, they are great to deal with.
PS. still cant figure out why you took the idle control off. Weight loss?? lose more not eating the pie....
Drunkeness is the only excuse in my book!
Only reason CPR replaced the plate was that some of the earlier ones developed cracks in the material.
They use another material now and improved the design in the process following feedback from users.
As mentioned the plate is replaced free of charges exept some freight I believe. Get in contact with them, they are great to deal with.
PS. still cant figure out why you took the idle control off. Weight loss?? lose more not eating the pie....
Drunkeness is the only excuse in my book!
jambox
2013-05-21 22:04:00 UTC
Got the idle speed control back on Wasn't to bad.
Installed the 08_SD_james_map_for_grim_and_motobox_modified_from_rallsy_s_info. Did the 15 min idle. At firs the bike was very nervous but settled after 7 min at 1800 rpm.
I run the bike home and as this was the firs run of the year I had little to compare with but it felt good.
However the throttle seam to stick. It wont go back easy and from time to time I have to put a bit of force to open it up, which results in a snachy ride.
I have an idea that the flies shaft not are not parallel which results in tension and higher resistance in the linkage.
Did you parallel the throttle bodies on reassemble?
/Matt
Installed the 08_SD_james_map_for_grim_and_motobox_modified_from_rallsy_s_info. Did the 15 min idle. At firs the bike was very nervous but settled after 7 min at 1800 rpm.
I run the bike home and as this was the firs run of the year I had little to compare with but it felt good.
However the throttle seam to stick. It wont go back easy and from time to time I have to put a bit of force to open it up, which results in a snachy ride.
I have an idea that the flies shaft not are not parallel which results in tension and higher resistance in the linkage.
Did you parallel the throttle bodies on reassemble?
/Matt
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2013-05-22 00:28:00 UTC
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Bert
2013-06-10 12:14:00 UTC
Hey guys,
Me beast is in the shop, waiting for a seal for the WP. It also awaits for a 15,000 km's maintenance done, ie. liquids, air filters and such.
I was thinking, while it's already w/o tank, radiator out of the way and such, why not just take the dive and go for the Rotti box?
Things are:
1. My bike is bone stock, and don't think I'll be able to change exhausts in the near future.
2. There's no Dyno here, so I can only use a tuneECU which also, no know here really knows.
3. Don't quite fancy (nor do I have the time to explain the guys at the shop) playing with the flies, O2 sensors and such.
That means - only airbox and sas plates.
Is that a good idea?
Is there a TUNEECU map for stock SD with CPR airbox? In CPR's website there seems not to be one.
Went through this thread and a few others, didn't quite get the answers I looked for.
Me beast is in the shop, waiting for a seal for the WP. It also awaits for a 15,000 km's maintenance done, ie. liquids, air filters and such.
I was thinking, while it's already w/o tank, radiator out of the way and such, why not just take the dive and go for the Rotti box?
Things are:
1. My bike is bone stock, and don't think I'll be able to change exhausts in the near future.
2. There's no Dyno here, so I can only use a tuneECU which also, no know here really knows.
3. Don't quite fancy (nor do I have the time to explain the guys at the shop) playing with the flies, O2 sensors and such.
That means - only airbox and sas plates.
Is that a good idea?
Is there a TUNEECU map for stock SD with CPR airbox? In CPR's website there seems not to be one.
Went through this thread and a few others, didn't quite get the answers I looked for.
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2013-06-10 14:34:00 UTC
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