Will post more later but....
Opened her up today and I have a sheen of oil all over the velocity stacks and intakes.
The catch tank was full of water but it belted down last. Ighr and Im thinking it got in somehow....
I'm thinking rings....
What do you guys reckon?
WP just replaced
Linga
2012-02-02 11:14:00 UTC
TLS_Russ
2012-02-02 11:32:00 UTC
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Linga
2012-02-02 12:31:00 UTC
On my 06.
24,000km
I have the CC breather mod (catch tank was full of clean water I hope it was from the heavy rain I was riding in, never happened before tho)
Full system akra
No 2ndarys
have had oil in the water before and the WP shaft was gone.
Coolant is a darker green
Oil residue is clean looking (goldish)
Had just topped it up pretty sure I did not over fill.(i'm hoping I did)
Bike is not missing a beat (little boggy down low but have 17/38 gearing)
The residue is neatly covering everything...
I need this bike to make it for another week but I'd like to know what I'm up against.
Bike dosen't seem to blow smoke...
24,000km
I have the CC breather mod (catch tank was full of clean water I hope it was from the heavy rain I was riding in, never happened before tho)
Full system akra
No 2ndarys
have had oil in the water before and the WP shaft was gone.
Coolant is a darker green
Oil residue is clean looking (goldish)
Had just topped it up pretty sure I did not over fill.(i'm hoping I did)
Bike is not missing a beat (little boggy down low but have 17/38 gearing)
The residue is neatly covering everything...
I need this bike to make it for another week but I'd like to know what I'm up against.
Bike dosen't seem to blow smoke...
Linga
2012-02-02 13:07:00 UTC
I took these photos looking up the box so you could clearly see where it was coming from...
TLS_Russ
2012-02-02 15:55:00 UTC
so its oil spraying out of the inlet ports on both cylinders the same
Linga
2012-02-02 21:29:00 UTC
Is it possible that I may have put a little too much oil in?
That is the only new thing I've done...
I'll keep an eye on it and strip her after the drags on Wednesday and see what is going on.
I'm also hoping the coolant colour change is just from when I did the WP. There was oily residue all through the water case.
Maybe it's one of those times when a few unrelated incidents happen at the same time.
I am pretty sure I know how to put oil in my bike though.
I'm going to do another service on her just to eliminate any possibilities.
That is the only new thing I've done...
I'll keep an eye on it and strip her after the drags on Wednesday and see what is going on.
I'm also hoping the coolant colour change is just from when I did the WP. There was oily residue all through the water case.
Maybe it's one of those times when a few unrelated incidents happen at the same time.
I am pretty sure I know how to put oil in my bike though.
I'm going to do another service on her just to eliminate any possibilities.
TLS_Russ
2012-02-03 04:30:00 UTC
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No. 47
2012-02-04 09:20:00 UTC
Could it be just excess filter oil?
Colonel_Klinck
2012-02-04 09:36:00 UTC
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Linga
2012-02-04 10:25:00 UTC
What I'vr tried to show in the photos is that you can see the spray pattern coming up out of the intakes...
Spattering up and on the top of the airbox.
You can see the build up coming from water getting in through the breather and then mixing with the oil vapour.
At least it's stopping the water from getting in the CrankCase
All split. All parts are fine but it was gunked up and not working properly. Passed some air but had to push hard.
I'm thinking that the blocked check valve together with me over topping up the oil in my hurry to get to the drags has caused this.
I will do a full pull down after the drags on wednesday and check and then another on sunday after the track day.
Spattering up and on the top of the airbox.
You can see the build up coming from water getting in through the breather and then mixing with the oil vapour.
At least it's stopping the water from getting in the CrankCase
All split. All parts are fine but it was gunked up and not working properly. Passed some air but had to push hard.
I'm thinking that the blocked check valve together with me over topping up the oil in my hurry to get to the drags has caused this.
I will do a full pull down after the drags on wednesday and check and then another on sunday after the track day.
MrZ32
2012-02-04 12:21:00 UTC
so the crank case breather currently goes into the airbox? Or is it hooked up the the atmosphere via filter?
Linga
2012-02-04 12:35:00 UTC
Atmosphere via filter. Turns out the SD gets a little wet under the tank and filled my catch tank with water and the water and oil vapour combined to make white and yellow sludge sticking the check valve (PCV).
Your new stacks are getting a run on Wednesday mate. We'll see the difference on the strip!
I hope that other thing rocks up before then to really give it a test out.
Your new stacks are getting a run on Wednesday mate. We'll see the difference on the strip!
I hope that other thing rocks up before then to really give it a test out.
MrZ32
2012-02-04 13:01:00 UTC
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Linga
2012-02-04 13:12:00 UTC
That must be hardcore mate.
I hope you get something good for the wreck and the insurance doesn't dick you around like last time!
I hope you get something good for the wreck and the insurance doesn't dick you around like last time!
MrZ32
2012-02-04 13:22:00 UTC
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Linga
2012-02-04 13:27:00 UTC
That's similar to my thoughts and that of my mate.
His first suggestion was to check that and that the oil was being forced out the valve guides by extra pressure in the crankcase. Following that he said too much oil would do the same thing and as I topped up the oil before the drags, I'm going to take some of the blame on that one. I was rushing and only waiting a minute before checking oil level, maybe a bit too much got in there.
His first suggestion was to check that and that the oil was being forced out the valve guides by extra pressure in the crankcase. Following that he said too much oil would do the same thing and as I topped up the oil before the drags, I'm going to take some of the blame on that one. I was rushing and only waiting a minute before checking oil level, maybe a bit too much got in there.
No. 47
2012-02-04 13:54:00 UTC
I would have thought that the crankcase would vent via the clutch push rod seal or similar 'weak' point, as did my 996S when the plastic breather catch tank internally melted and sealed itself.
Linga
2012-02-04 14:07:00 UTC
It's all stil a bit of a guess at the moment and the check valve was still working, just really hard to move.
It's cleaned and moving with very little force so if the problem continues then i'll look for another solution.
I hope not as I like easy fixes.
It's cleaned and moving with very little force so if the problem continues then i'll look for another solution.
I hope not as I like easy fixes.
Linga
2012-02-10 00:06:00 UTC
Well dropped my oil in prep for a trackday and found this...
How much metal is OK?
I think the bike was treated porly before I got it as it hadn't had a Major service that was due.
How much metal is OK?
I think the bike was treated porly before I got it as it hadn't had a Major service that was due.
indy84
2012-02-10 00:44:00 UTC
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ktmguy
2012-02-10 06:12:00 UTC
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Linga
2012-02-10 06:16:00 UTC
That's what I thought.
Not right for a 24000 km bike
Not right for a 24000 km bike
ktmguy
2012-02-10 10:01:00 UTC
The picture on the right, do you still have the bits lodged in that and can you put up a pic of the bits?
Me thinks you need to have a proper look inside the engine!
Hard to put a finger on this one but my guess is a piston ring or the plating wearing of the cams. The plating might have damaged the valve seals and other parts.
Start with taking the cam covers off. If you know someone with the endoscopic mechanic tool to look in the bores via the spark plug holes this might help.
It allows you to have a look without removing the heads. Doesn't show you the rings but you can see if the bores are scratched.
Me thinks you need to have a proper look inside the engine!
Hard to put a finger on this one but my guess is a piston ring or the plating wearing of the cams. The plating might have damaged the valve seals and other parts.
Start with taking the cam covers off. If you know someone with the endoscopic mechanic tool to look in the bores via the spark plug holes this might help.
It allows you to have a look without removing the heads. Doesn't show you the rings but you can see if the bores are scratched.
Linga
2012-02-10 11:43:00 UTC
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Linga
2012-02-12 15:08:00 UTC
Just quick update, I now have oil in my catch can and I never have before.
Will strip on Tuesday and see whether the up side ( the tube goes up and down the height of my bike) is full of oil too.
Looks like around 30-40ml... Never been there before (had some milky stuff before but assumed it was from faulty WP shaft)
I've almost a mind to do the oil again but I'll hold off till I can look in the bores. Worst part is that I leave on Thursday for a month so really want to sort it before then.
Will strip on Tuesday and see whether the up side ( the tube goes up and down the height of my bike) is full of oil too.
Looks like around 30-40ml... Never been there before (had some milky stuff before but assumed it was from faulty WP shaft)
I've almost a mind to do the oil again but I'll hold off till I can look in the bores. Worst part is that I leave on Thursday for a month so really want to sort it before then.
No. 47
2012-02-12 16:01:00 UTC
MrZ32
2012-02-12 19:04:00 UTC
Quick shifters can prematurely wear out a gear box... Great for racing but shouldn't be used all the time.
Linga
2012-02-12 22:25:00 UTC
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No. 47
2012-02-12 22:43:00 UTC
About 35k road miles plus 800(?) race miles - if you're venting oil from the crankcase via the breather, this is the most likely reason and might explain the top end oil misting - is there oil in the generator/alternator?