tripoddave
2011-11-05 01:19:00 UTC
At the same time he's pulled the barrels off because we'll be fitting the new hi comp pistons.
When he pulled the rear barrel off the first compression ring was in bits: about four big bits and a lot of small stuff. The piston looked like the broken ring had worn away at the groove in the piston doing some damage and there were two cracks in the piston itself.
We removed the piston and the 2nd compression ring and a section of the piston fell away! Looks like it has been broken for some time vibrating in place whilst slowly reducing the rings to dust and buggering the bore.
There is clearly a piece of piston missing at the edge where there is a lip at the edge of the indentation for the inlet valve.
Can't see where the damage started but there doesn't appear to be any damage to the head what so ever but the bore is badly damaged - the scoring is so deep you can feel it with your fingernails.
This, then, is why my bike made 125+ at the rear wheel in January and steadily less through the year.
If you have a look at these you will see just how close I came to lunching the entire motor.
Below is a series of photos:
In this one you can clearly see the piece missing from the side of the piston, the scoring on the skirt and the damage to the piston above the broken piece:
In this picture you can see the same damage from another angle:
In this picture you can see the piece missing from the top edge of the piston and the buckling around it:
Pictures of the broken off fragment from between the two compression rings (note the polished nature of the broken surface):
Picture of the piston with the broken piece reinserted
Crotchrockety
2011-11-05 01:26:00 UTC
KTM really needs to find better suppliers.
kevxtx
2011-11-05 03:26:00 UTC
kowekiller
2011-11-05 03:37:00 UTC
SDNerd
2011-11-05 05:46:00 UTC
Viking
2011-11-05 08:28:00 UTC
tripoddave
2011-11-05 10:28:00 UTC
Post missing.
MrZ32
2011-11-05 10:38:00 UTC
Colonel_Klinck
2011-11-05 11:53:00 UTC
Post missing.
MrZ32
2011-11-05 12:41:00 UTC
Post missing.
Viking
2011-11-05 15:27:00 UTC
Post missing.
kowekiller
2011-11-05 17:03:00 UTC
Those new slugs are going to look pretty in those honed barrels! I want some assembly pictures and some of your heads when done. Make sure your going into the lower end also while your there as there may be some left overs from what happened.
SDNerd
2011-11-05 20:01:00 UTC
Viking
2011-11-05 21:34:00 UTC
tripoddave
2011-11-05 22:20:00 UTC
Post missing.
kevxtx
2011-11-05 22:30:00 UTC
Post missing.
Linga
2011-11-06 00:09:00 UTC
Terry from Precisionbearings would like to do a full ceramic bearing kit for the SuperDuke but KTM wont give him the numbers.
I thought we should help him out as there are not many people who are willing to jump on board SD's.
Any bearing that you can give him will help.
Linga
2011-11-06 00:33:00 UTC
indy84
2011-11-06 00:48:00 UTC
Lowrance
2011-11-06 02:52:00 UTC
kowekiller
2011-11-06 07:32:00 UTC
tripoddave
2011-11-06 10:00:00 UTC
As regards ignition advance : there is a change to the ignition advance on the maps I'm running but only at high revs but only within the bounds used by other people's maps on here - no excessive at all.
As regards running the mixture too lean: the front and rear are running different maps with the rear one following KTM's trend of running the rear pot slightly richer than the front so as to keep the temperatures even. The heads and pistons reflect this with the rear looking darker, almost black but with no appreciable build up so I'd guess from inspection we had them pretty much spot on.
TBH: I'm starting to think the real culprit here is a mixture of age, abuse and perhaps most importantly the fact that we raised the rev limit. I think that long term the stock cast pistons might be the weak link here when it comes to getting the most out of the motor. After all the SDR pistons are a far better spec.
Thoughts?
tripoddave
2011-11-08 22:24:00 UTC
The standard pistons from the cooking version of the SD are cast and not particularly strong it seems. Raising the rev ceiling to as little as 10,250 shortens piston life considerably.
The solution is after market forged or SDR pistons or, of course, don't rev it so high!
SDNerd
2011-11-08 23:12:00 UTC
Post missing.