MADDOG53
2012-08-30 23:03:00 UTC
Want: Lighter, zipper SD. Want: Deeper pockets. Real close on pulling the trigger on a Ti set of Akrapovic cans....but I rode an KTM 950 SE last weekend with single exhaust that kicked ass. So got this idea rolling around in the gray matter to go single exhaust on both bikes with the Akrapovic cans that I have on my Adventure. Win win on the Adventure, more room for luggage/tools or they make a gas tank that fits the missing exhaust void.
I will have to come up with a SM / SE or Adventure Y pipe to mod for single exhaust, not a big deal. Got the ways and means for expert welding / fab.
OK you gloom and doom sayers....why should I not convert over to single exhaust with what I have. I am a function before form kind of guy and spend most of my extra coin on tyres and fuel, not bilig bling orange thingies.
I will have to say the Ti set of Akrapovic cans are really calling me.
Willh
2012-08-30 23:33:00 UTC
DribbleDuke
2012-08-30 23:50:00 UTC
jmann
2012-08-30 23:56:00 UTC
I have seen an Akra. Evo can designed and installed on an S4RS and it seems bigger than the dual exhaust versions.
The adventure is not the bestest comparison in how and wherefore the power delivery is handled in the same application as the SD and I would venture to guess what works well on the Adventure could stifle horsepower delivery on an SD.
I would love to see the gas savings a single can would afford. Your probably looking at a six pound savings in weight. That would equall +- one pony.
GAS TYRES
DribbleDuke
2012-08-31 09:02:00 UTC
choked by a single exhaust I can't see it - the standard has not only the catalytic converter acting as a choke
but then the holes into each side of the standard can are tiny. From memory they are about 1.5-2.0 cms diameter.
Thus a single straight through Akro has got to be a lot less restrictive that the original.
viewtopic.php?t=6174
What you don't see in these photo's are the holes. The gas goes through the cat converter then through a couple of
holes backwards to the forward chamber (this is the restriction) then through all of the pipes into the sides of
the original cans. Very restricted compared to any sort of straight trough system.
Willh
2012-08-31 14:13:00 UTC
PULL the TRIGGER
Willh
2012-08-31 14:33:00 UTC
Those frikin' big ol Ti Akrapovic cans are still calling......argggggg....cool factor calling..........
omky756
2012-08-31 18:02:00 UTC
Sound deadening will suffer if the volume of the muffler is too small. My single Akra is longer than the Leos it replaces and sounds decent noise wise without the baffle.
Willh
2012-08-31 19:54:00 UTC
omky756
2012-09-04 15:03:00 UTC
Called me so hard I e-mailed my bud last Friday and asked him to buy the set that was on e-bay, so he did.
I don't see the set on e-bay today, so I hope they are heading my way.
Looks like I will have a new set of Akrapovic Titanium cans tomorrow.
$800 plus $25 for shipping. New still in box.
Now to make the winter list for the remainder of the mods to this stock bike.
Hope my gas miliage does not take a big hit !
Millar
2012-09-05 01:53:00 UTC
The Adventure has "Cheated" it's way to more low end by choking the exhaust right at the port to (US) 1.625". This is a band aid way of doing this as the engine is designed for 1.750 .039 wall tubing as the port is 1.688 at the flange. The stock header is horrible on this bike but accomplishes the goal. (It kills the potential of the engine at the same time) The internals of our 08 Super Duke and 2012 Adventure R are exactly the same, yet the Adventure is gutless compared to our SD, for this reason we are developing a total header and exhaust package that mimics the Super Duke sizing on an Adventure as well as intake and mapping. There will be 4 types, dual slip ons, single sided slip on, full system dual and full system single side. These are coming in the next couple months and are currently being tested.
Where we see everyone go wrong is when they choke the exhaust into one side that is already choked for dual outlets. Now you have room for tools and less power to drag them around. Previously mentioned was that a single straight through would theoretically flow like a dual "CAT'ed" exhaust. Possibly, but why choke it again when the goal is weight and power? Without giving up our formulas, going 2 into one does not mean double the size diameter of the outlet, but there is much more science to it than that. The "Choke" points are probably the most critical area of tuning exhausts and the expansion thereafter is secondary. This being said, we are speaking in terms of getting ultimate power. A proper exhaust diagram that we ran on an Adventure finished at a 3 inch core! The problem is, this is not realistic because like mentioned above, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Cake being power and eating it would be the obnoxious noise that would make.
We can say that a proper 2 into one on a Super Duke should end at a 2.25 core and the choke, well that's our little secret... We are in development and can't say too much. The taper on the collector should be no more than 25 degrees. 15 is optimal merge angle but some bikes don't have the room for a long 2 into 1 like that. The choke would be the diameter at the end of the merge collector right before the transition. Bottom line is that if your going from stock to single side, probably fine if done right. If going from aftermarket dual to single and using the same size cores, no good and will mess up your tuning. Dual aftermarket to single larger core of previously mentioned size, good if done right. Or, if there is enough demand, we will add them to our line of properly tuned exhausts. What do you think?
Upsides:
Weight
Sound (loud but more "Indy" car'ish)
Looks (If you wanna be different)
Room for tools on an Adventure
Cost compared to buying a dual
Downsides:
Loud
Packing burns out quicker
Done wrong will hurt power
Colonel_Klinck
2012-09-05 02:01:00 UTC
Willh
2012-09-05 15:01:00 UTC
Thank you very much.
nampus
2012-09-05 20:32:00 UTC
TLS_Russ
2012-09-13 20:49:00 UTC
kowekiller
2012-09-25 03:34:00 UTC
kowekiller
2013-04-11 19:04:00 UTC
Jermo
2013-04-12 13:20:00 UTC
Post missing.
Exitman
2013-04-12 21:28:00 UTC
Doon
2013-04-12 23:05:00 UTC
I've tested several carbon cans on twins when I was working as a motorcycle exhaust developer and big twins tend to overheat the cans (even titaniums!) if you don't take precautions. Make sure you have a double layer of stainless steel wool around the perforated tube, if possible wrapped in a fine steel mesh. This will prevent the damper wool from burning and blowout and leaving a less thermally insulated section towards the outer shell. DO NOT underestimate this effect, we had carbon cans burned within 5 minutes on the dyno!
If you're early you can recognize burned out sections by knocking on the outer shell and hearing a more hollow sound compared to the rest of the damper. Later, the carbon will look dryer in some sections of the pipe (usually the part where the exhaust gasses enter the damper) and might even turn a little green. This means the carbon will be more likely to crack or blow a hole in it.
With the single damper setup this is a bit more likely to happen than with a double damper setup because of less heat distribution. Adding a DB-killer causes more back pressure and therefor higher exhaust gas temperatures.
Linga
2013-04-13 01:49:00 UTC
Post missing.
Willh
2013-04-13 03:03:00 UTC
You're 100% correct. Too late for this can, I think. The twin makes this thing huff like a lung. To the point that the carbon has started to fray at the seams. I will likely move (at some point) to the stainless sleeve with the carbon end cap. It looks great in all carbon but not going to work long term. There are some can out there that are stainless with a carbon cover. Not nearly as cool but they would list on the twin. I sure sounds great, was cheap and took a HUGE amount of weight off the bike.
Willh
2013-04-29 03:47:00 UTC
Willh
2013-04-29 22:03:00 UTC
Willh
2013-04-30 03:50:00 UTC
Exitman
2013-05-01 09:20:00 UTC
Linga
2013-05-01 11:01:00 UTC
KTM666
2013-05-30 05:06:00 UTC
Post missing.
Linga
2013-05-30 17:22:00 UTC
Post missing.
cdlabate
2013-05-31 11:57:00 UTC
Turned out OK though I think.
Linga
2013-05-31 15:50:00 UTC
Millar
2013-05-31 17:10:00 UTC
Linga
2013-06-02 05:35:00 UTC
Linga
2013-06-28 04:47:00 UTC
Lost 2.6kg from the FMF (lighter than leos and akras)
Scans of dyno run to follow
fookin AWESOME!!!
Stratkat
2013-06-28 14:16:00 UTC
Really like the looks of this!
Great job man.
Linga
2013-06-28 15:46:00 UTC
Post missing.
Exitman
2013-06-28 23:02:00 UTC