i just found out that there is no standard for testing in the usa. i assumed textiles were safe and had passed some sort of testing since it was sold in street category. after some searching i found all textiles are not equal and price does indicated quality.
anyone been down with textile gear? wanted to know how it holds up.
( cordura,denier,nylon,polyester,kevlar, Carbolex)
also i have pants that said cordura but on label it says polyester?
is the simple answer leather?
Dehumanized
2012-06-07 05:13:00 UTC
ktmguy
2012-06-07 05:38:00 UTC
I crashed at low speed in a teknic jacket textile top of the range model cordura. It held up well and didn't hurt myself but it still put a hole in the jacket.
I wonder what would be the result if I was really going for it.
If I go down ad a bit of go I rather have leather thanks.
I wonder what would be the result if I was really going for it.
If I go down ad a bit of go I rather have leather thanks.
Grendel
2012-06-07 06:45:00 UTC
Cow slide good
Colonel_Klinck
2012-06-07 07:20:00 UTC
If I am sliding down tarmac there is no question to what I'd rather be wearing. Cow skin all the way for me.
AGRO!
2012-06-07 07:22:00 UTC
Textiles around town. Leathers every where else
steeeve66
2012-06-07 07:28:00 UTC
Post missing.
Reb
2012-06-07 08:07:00 UTC
Two guys out riding. Both go down on a slippery corner. Both go off the road and end up in a field next to each other. One rider has minor scratches. Other rider had cuts, rashes and bad bruising.
What was the difference.
Rider with minor injuries was wearing leather and slide along the road. Rider with worse injuries was wearing textile which gripped the road surface causing him to flip over and over resulting in a very bad battering.
Leather for me.
What was the difference.
Rider with minor injuries was wearing leather and slide along the road. Rider with worse injuries was wearing textile which gripped the road surface causing him to flip over and over resulting in a very bad battering.
Leather for me.
TLS_Russ
2012-06-07 08:39:00 UTC
Go for Kangaroo if you can afford it, cows cant fight for shit
Dehumanized
2012-06-07 09:22:00 UTC
thanks for your responses. i am still researching.. this was interesting thought i would share.
How good are the non-leather textile alternatives?
It's hard to say. We have found only 5 textile garments that have actually passed independent tests against the EU Standard. This doesn't mean the other products don't or wouldn't pass the Standards, but we have yet to see the evidence.
Note: Jackets with impact protectors will often have CE labels (EN 1621-1 or EN 1621-2). These labels only refer to the impact protectors, they do not include the jacket, which must be labelled EN 13595 if it complies.
It is worth noting that none of those that have passed the tests rely on a single layer of material to achieve the result, they all employ a number of layers, each with a different job.
Under the EU Standards, material used in motorcycle protective clothing must have abrasion resistance of between 4 and 7 seconds for use over the high impact areas of the body (Zone 1 and 2). Just to put this in context, a single layer of 1.4 mm cow hide will last 5.8 seconds, while 200 gsm denim (or your standard jeans), will last just over half (0.6) of a second (SATRA, 2002).
Tests conducted at the British test laboratory SATRA (SATRA, 2002 and at the Melbourne Institute of Textiles (Standards Australia, 2000), found many of the modern textile alternatives fail to meet the standards when tested as a single layer.
This does not mean that such fabrics are necessarily unsuitable, because it depends on how they are used. Fabric weight, coatings or finish can make a significant difference to test results. The design and construction of the garment is also crucial in determining its protective value.
The only way to determine whether a particular fabric is suitable for motorcycle protective clothing is to test samples of the completed garment. That is why the European Standard labelling system is so useful to motorcycle consumers. However given that many of the products available in Australia, are not subjected to the EU testing system, here are some design features that will help to guide you in your selection.
http://www.roadsafety.mccofnsw.org.au/a/88.html
How good are the non-leather textile alternatives?
It's hard to say. We have found only 5 textile garments that have actually passed independent tests against the EU Standard. This doesn't mean the other products don't or wouldn't pass the Standards, but we have yet to see the evidence.
Note: Jackets with impact protectors will often have CE labels (EN 1621-1 or EN 1621-2). These labels only refer to the impact protectors, they do not include the jacket, which must be labelled EN 13595 if it complies.
It is worth noting that none of those that have passed the tests rely on a single layer of material to achieve the result, they all employ a number of layers, each with a different job.
Under the EU Standards, material used in motorcycle protective clothing must have abrasion resistance of between 4 and 7 seconds for use over the high impact areas of the body (Zone 1 and 2). Just to put this in context, a single layer of 1.4 mm cow hide will last 5.8 seconds, while 200 gsm denim (or your standard jeans), will last just over half (0.6) of a second (SATRA, 2002).
Tests conducted at the British test laboratory SATRA (SATRA, 2002 and at the Melbourne Institute of Textiles (Standards Australia, 2000), found many of the modern textile alternatives fail to meet the standards when tested as a single layer.
This does not mean that such fabrics are necessarily unsuitable, because it depends on how they are used. Fabric weight, coatings or finish can make a significant difference to test results. The design and construction of the garment is also crucial in determining its protective value.
The only way to determine whether a particular fabric is suitable for motorcycle protective clothing is to test samples of the completed garment. That is why the European Standard labelling system is so useful to motorcycle consumers. However given that many of the products available in Australia, are not subjected to the EU testing system, here are some design features that will help to guide you in your selection.
http://www.roadsafety.mccofnsw.org.au/a/88.html
jambox
2012-06-07 18:41:00 UTC
I used to have a Hein Gericke Tricky II textile suit.
Had a lowish (about 30-40mph) speed slide and the jacket held up well, a bit scuffed on the arm and shoulder but still functional and water-proof (it's a gore-tex model)
But the trousers had heaving scuffing (not through but very frayed) around the hip/butt area (I remember skidding along sat up on my arse ), but the knee had torn open enough to leave me with light scarring over a large area on my knee, so the went in the bin.
Still use the jacket on cold/wet rides, but use my normal leather trousers, with a waterproof overshell if needed
Had a lowish (about 30-40mph) speed slide and the jacket held up well, a bit scuffed on the arm and shoulder but still functional and water-proof (it's a gore-tex model)
But the trousers had heaving scuffing (not through but very frayed) around the hip/butt area (I remember skidding along sat up on my arse ), but the knee had torn open enough to leave me with light scarring over a large area on my knee, so the went in the bin.
Still use the jacket on cold/wet rides, but use my normal leather trousers, with a waterproof overshell if needed
One67
2012-06-07 19:32:00 UTC
Textile for dirt riding, leather for road.
Simple as that for me.
Simple as that for me.
AGRO!
2012-06-08 05:33:00 UTC
MOTOPORT.com
Own a grey KEVLAR MESH ONE PIECE Suit. They also make two piece outfits. Police Motorcycle Cops use them too.
Have had this for 5 years.
MUCH SAFER THAN ANY LEATHER SUIT MADE, INCLUDING KANGAROO LEATHER.
Polyproplene thread used in 95% of all mesh jackets and pants is an unsuitable material for it's intended use.
This will melt into your skin, given enough friction. Armor placed in the jacket's pockets will shift around upon contact with anything and move this cheap, non-tested armor off it's designated spot. Undergarments/Baselayers with armor pockets help solve this problem.
Mesh Kevlar abrasion strength is greater than any 1.3mm competition grade leather when new. Each sweat cycle weakens the leather more and more. Read Save your hide section for the straight poop.
MOTOPORT Kevlar Mesh outfit allows me to chuckle under the helmet at all the sweating, miserable leather and aerostitch riders I encounter, even perforated leather can't flow as much air as this material. I live in the Central Valley of California. HOT HOT HOT. But low humidity.
Seam strength is via kevlar safety stitching standards you won't see anywhere else.
I also wear T-PRO Forcefield 4 layer armor undergarments from top to bottom along with a Sub-4 back protector.
Comfort is a non issue.
When temps are over 90F, I use an evaporative vest.
I also bought the CYCLEPORT Kevlar Racing gloves, flows as much air as not wearing gloves at all.
These Motoport Custom made suits, come with a 7 year guarantee on materials and craftsmanship. You will deal with the owner Wayne so little can come between the maker and the buyer.
Since the Kevlar material is so tough, you need to protect your motorcycle tank and other trim pieces from the brillo like abrasion/friction contact. I use Tech Spec snake skin grip pads on the tank for both traction and protection.
In grey, the suit looks like chain mail armor.
Own a grey KEVLAR MESH ONE PIECE Suit. They also make two piece outfits. Police Motorcycle Cops use them too.
Have had this for 5 years.
MUCH SAFER THAN ANY LEATHER SUIT MADE, INCLUDING KANGAROO LEATHER.
Polyproplene thread used in 95% of all mesh jackets and pants is an unsuitable material for it's intended use.
This will melt into your skin, given enough friction. Armor placed in the jacket's pockets will shift around upon contact with anything and move this cheap, non-tested armor off it's designated spot. Undergarments/Baselayers with armor pockets help solve this problem.
Mesh Kevlar abrasion strength is greater than any 1.3mm competition grade leather when new. Each sweat cycle weakens the leather more and more. Read Save your hide section for the straight poop.
MOTOPORT Kevlar Mesh outfit allows me to chuckle under the helmet at all the sweating, miserable leather and aerostitch riders I encounter, even perforated leather can't flow as much air as this material. I live in the Central Valley of California. HOT HOT HOT. But low humidity.
Seam strength is via kevlar safety stitching standards you won't see anywhere else.
I also wear T-PRO Forcefield 4 layer armor undergarments from top to bottom along with a Sub-4 back protector.
Comfort is a non issue.
When temps are over 90F, I use an evaporative vest.
I also bought the CYCLEPORT Kevlar Racing gloves, flows as much air as not wearing gloves at all.
These Motoport Custom made suits, come with a 7 year guarantee on materials and craftsmanship. You will deal with the owner Wayne so little can come between the maker and the buyer.
Since the Kevlar material is so tough, you need to protect your motorcycle tank and other trim pieces from the brillo like abrasion/friction contact. I use Tech Spec snake skin grip pads on the tank for both traction and protection.
In grey, the suit looks like chain mail armor.
rac
2012-06-08 07:29:00 UTC
Post missing.